Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com
 
Circle-D
Go Back   Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com > Engine | Drivetrain | Powertrain Technical Discussions > Forced Induction - V8


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 10-23-2012, 12:07 PM   #1
Anthony @ LG Motorsports



 
Anthony @ LG Motorsports's Avatar
 
Drives: 1994 1LE / 2006 Z51 Corvette
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Plano, TX
Posts: 2,748
--Important read-- Engine Oil Tech

This is something that everyone needs to read, if you are racing your car or just taking it to car shows your engine oil is the life blood that keeps your car running.

The more aggressive your setup, or the harder you drive your car, the oil you use becomes even more important.

Over the last 10 years, We have recorded approximately 10 failed lifters from customers in the US with our cam kits. We sell on average 150-200 cam kits per year, and more cams by themselves. 6 of these have been in the last 12 months.

Doing testing and research with oil companies, Comp Cams, and also with some of our partners in the turbo production the newer 'EPA approved' oils are reducing the anti wear additive packages more so every year and are increasing the amount of detergents in the oil. While this might sound good to keep the inside of your engine clean it is not helping on keeping the oil protecting like it should.


That is why it is more important now more so than ever for those of you tracking your car, installing bigger cams, turbo's and superchargers that you run an oil that will hold up and protect your investment.

With any of our cam kits we highly suggest the use of a quality oil with a high content of Zinc and Phosphorus. For those racing the car, a racing oil should be used. Do keep in mind most racing oils are 100% detergent free and will need to be changed frequently.

Some oils to use would be RedLine, Amsoil, Joe Gibb, Brad Penn, Valvoline VR1 series.


Further Reading...
http://www.joegibbsdriven.com/trainingcenter/tech/streetoils.htm

http://www.redlineoil.com/techinfo.aspx

http://store.forcedperformance.net/m...otor%20Oil.pdf

Last edited by Anthony @ LG Motorsports; 10-23-2012 at 12:21 PM.
Anthony @ LG Motorsports is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2012, 09:42 AM   #2
Zach@HeintzRacing
 
Zach@HeintzRacing's Avatar
 
Drives: 2001 Turbo 275 Drag Radial Camaro
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Mooresville, NC
Posts: 101
Very good information here guys. Again, this needs to be read by everyone. We too have came across more cam/lifter issues in the last 12 months.

Use a quality oil, and keep it changed frequently.

Zach
Zach@HeintzRacing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2012, 09:47 AM   #3
SC2150
Account Suspended
 
Drives: 2012 Camaro RS, RX supercharged
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Bradenton, FL
Posts: 6,069
I have been building race & performance engines for over 38 years and have seen most every engine failure or wear conditon possible...and this is essentail info.

SC2150 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2012, 10:10 AM   #4
stanwilliams
3000 hp 648 ci beast
 
stanwilliams's Avatar
 
Drives: 86 Outlaw 10.5 Camaro, 2SS/RS LS3
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Marion, KS
Posts: 152
What will be the effect on cars with stock CATs when using higher Zinc and Phosphorus oils??

I use Valvoline Racing oil in my race car but it says on the label not for use with CATs. The VR1 oil is a street oil and has the API SM rating on it that I think removes all the Zinc. Not sure if its any better than any other SM rated oil.
__________________
2SS/RS, LS3, 6M, IOM w/black hockey, IO interior, sunroof

mods: ******** setup. Whipple supercharger....Need suspension upgrades now... 4" stroker kit, ARH, cam on my wish list.
stanwilliams is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2012, 10:28 AM   #5
BullF-16
USAF retired! Thank God!
 
BullF-16's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 1SS, 1LT red,1LT/RS SGM 98Z28
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: North Texas
Posts: 2,782
The last 2 parts to my motor came in this week, the windage tray and pick up tube. HKE should finish it this week....after 7 1/2 months.

I am breaking it in using Joe Gibbs BR, break in oil

Plan on running the Joe Gibbs HR3 synthetic 15w50 after that. Expensive but so is my motor. I dont have cats, hope the O2 sensors arent affected,

/this oil has 1247 ppm zinc and 1157 ppm phosphorous. Total anti-wear is 2408 ppm
__________________
HKE LSX427(Mast blk lbl 305 6bolt LS7heads, PatG231/246 blower cam, RWHP/TQ: 1281/1133 SNL Performance Custom Twin PT6766 BB turbos 4 to 25psi selectable on the Boost Leash controller, Squash dual 400LPH/ID2000s, ALKY 4 gal meth, Autometer AFR/Bst/oilpres/oiltemp/fuelpress gauges, Pedders Justice road crs pkg: All HD bushes, supercar 12kg coil overs, supercar ZL1 sways, camber plates all setup by JusticePete! :Gforce 9" 35spline S-Trac, 1500hp Outlaw axles, 3.5"alum DS, Monster Triple disc; 4xForgeline 19x10.5 4xBridgestone 305/30R19 RE-11, CTS-v calipers/rotors/Cobalt friction XR1/3 pads
BullF-16 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2012, 10:52 AM   #6
Chris-HPS
 
Chris-HPS's Avatar
 
Drives: 2008Corvette
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Ga
Posts: 691
This is th every reason we use Valvoline VR1 Racing oils with all our setups.

Chris
Chris-HPS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2012, 03:38 PM   #7
Nessal


 
Drives: Exige, Miata, Ghia
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: CA, Bay Area
Posts: 2,310
Is the mobil1 5w30 recommended by factory sufficient?
Nessal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2012, 03:39 PM   #8
Nessal


 
Drives: Exige, Miata, Ghia
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: CA, Bay Area
Posts: 2,310
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nessal View Post
Is the mobil1 5w30 recommended by factory sufficient?


Why I ask is because my car also had the lifters go and the dealer is replacing them all and also the valves. However, i change and check my oil religiously.
Nessal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2012, 04:03 PM   #9
SC2150
Account Suspended
 
Drives: 2012 Camaro RS, RX supercharged
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Bradenton, FL
Posts: 6,069
Takes many miles for it to start to affect the cats or O2's. I would not be real worried especcially if you have a properly functioning catchcan to keep the oil out of the intake air charge.

SC2150 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2012, 01:49 PM   #10
Anthony @ LG Motorsports



 
Anthony @ LG Motorsports's Avatar
 
Drives: 1994 1LE / 2006 Z51 Corvette
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Plano, TX
Posts: 2,748
Another tech article released by Joe Gibb today.

http://lgmotorsports.com/gallery/alb...tech_sheet.pdf
Anthony @ LG Motorsports is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2012, 04:04 PM   #11
Casper45th
 
Casper45th's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 45th SSRS A6
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Casper, WY
Posts: 175
A friend of mine is a salesman for Royal Purple - industrial side. He said the reason for a lot of the changes, (reducing anti-wear additives & uping detergent), is because of EPA mandates. Anybody else hearing that kind of thing?
Casper45th is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2012, 04:22 PM   #12
simon.w
Account Suspended
 
Drives: 2011 2SS RS 6M Inferno Orange
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: San Clemente CA
Posts: 309
Quote:
Originally Posted by Casper45th View Post
A friend of mine is a salesman for Royal Purple - industrial side. He said the reason for a lot of the changes, (reducing anti-wear additives & uping detergent), is because of EPA mandates. Anybody else hearing that kind of thing?
I ran Royal Purple in my Whipple'd LS3 for 2 oil changes and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. Have switched over to Amsoil V-Rod and not only am I ending up with far less residue in my RX Monster catch can; the Amsoil is remaining far cleaner.
simon.w is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2012, 05:11 PM   #13
SC2150
Account Suspended
 
Drives: 2012 Camaro RS, RX supercharged
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Bradenton, FL
Posts: 6,069
Casper, yes, that is why M1 has reduced it and many others....I am a fan of RP purple ice & gear lube, syn trans fluid, but wont use the oil yet....cant get the guts to try it again.

SC2150 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2012, 09:16 PM   #14
Hendrix-Engineering
Account Suspended
 
Drives: First 9 inch-12 bolt IRS Camaro
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: nc
Posts: 1,838
Quote:
Originally Posted by BullF-16 View Post
The last 2 parts to my motor came in this week, the windage tray and pick up tube. HKE should finish it this week....after 7 1/2 months.

I am breaking it in using Joe Gibbs BR, break in oil

Plan on running the Joe Gibbs HR3 synthetic 15w50 after that. Expensive but so is my motor. I dont have cats, hope the O2 sensors arent affected,

/this oil has 1247 ppm zinc and 1157 ppm phosphorous. Total anti-wear is 2408 ppm
If you have to run 50 weight i would look for a great 5 or 10 50 weight.Check out Neo oil,we have it on our site
Hendrix-Engineering is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:11 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.