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Old 08-06-2013, 09:43 PM   #18
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I received this from Art during the CamaroCross on Saturday morning. Needless to say, I was rather shocked but extremely happy to receive the award. I let him ride shotgun during my last 3 or 4 runs and he said he loved my car and wanted to give me his award. Couldn't thank him enough for it!
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Old 08-06-2013, 09:46 PM   #19
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Well well well, never expected the aforementioned comments. It wasn't just about a clever setup nor what it just about chrome. if you thought that then you didn't really look at the car or know what you were looking at. Car shows are about original and or modified cars presented in the most clean, polished, finished form as possible, especially in light of the miles traveled. in other words, those that are not trailer queens and look better then they did off the showroom floor should be first. that car had 29,000 miles on it and did not have a spec of dust or dirt undercarriage, topside, suspension, inside, engine, wheel wells, tires ect. Equally as important, the car was FINISHED with a capital F from top to bottom. Just a few of the hundreds of touches included: Most of the nuts, bolts and screw visible to the human eye in the door jams and engine compartment was capped in aluminum billet chrome plated caps and door latches, trunk latches switches the same. the undercarriage of the car was pristine from front to rear with high gloss clear coated rally yellow paint and striping on the underside to match the exterior. It takes 15 hours of labour to clean just the undercarriage of this car properly for a show like this.The exhaust system was completely painted and both stock mufflers professionally airbrushed to advertise the Chevrolet and SS model that it was. The engine compartment, interior quarter panels, tower struts and inside hood, was completely repainted with high gloss clear coated rally yellow, the valve covers were powder coated rally yellow and stock OEM exhaust manifolds were silver ceramic coated. In addition, there was an enormous amount of labour in the custom painted engine cover, intake ductwork, hinges, ect and a professionally airbrushed hood pad. The car had custom painted striping and airbrushing on the exterior hood, front diffuser spoilers, rear diffuser, doors and undercarriage. The cars mirrors were customized as well as its door handles and satellite antennas and side marker lights with one of a kind lighting which was all functional for normal driving, ie turn signals, hazards, ect. The car had custom grills including rally yellow mesh with yellow functional lighting under the same and functional white LEDS in the mail slot that were functional driving lights as well. The list of what had been done to this car went on for over three pages. it has won over 42 trophies including first place for two years at world of wheels conventions and second place one year at world of wheels convention in it's class and over 20 first place trophies in 1000 point system shows.
The TIME and LABOUR involved to put that together and to maintain it is beyond what you could ever imagine.

ENOUGH SAID !
THANK you to the judges for recognizing quality when they saw it.

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Old 08-06-2013, 10:44 PM   #20
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CONGRATS ! To my buddies;
Fast Freddie Team Camaro award recipient, Now that's another awesome car !
Tigger, Team Camaro award recipient, some real unique striping going on there !
Tony No, Moderator Award, a daily driver (snow, rain and sun)that looks great
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:35 PM   #21
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Actually, car shows are quite simple.
The most correct, flawless, cleanest car wins. Modified cars do not win (outside of modified classes).

I think you're trying to make a rule for all car shows...and that may be problematic.

I'm not sure what award you're talking about - but the Disciples, the Moderators, and members of "Team Camaro" were given awards to give out.

Those awards were given to the 'camaro that speaks to you' - put another way - "the Camaro that you'd most like to take back home with you" -

Yes! Subjective as all-get-out.

That does not mean, however, that the person should not have received the award.
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:35 PM   #22
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Here's the thread for these awards...

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=311543
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Old 08-07-2013, 02:38 AM   #23
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Car shows are not supposed to be about the presentation or the display.
It's about the car. The most correct, most flawless, cleanest car should win.
Modified cars should not win outside of a modified class.
WTF ?

I think a car show like CamaroFest where everyone has at least the same 5TH GEN body, and has done no mods is not a a SHOW CAR!

I do see points for having a clean car/spotless whatever, but a stock 5th Gen next to a modify 5th Gen is not a show car


First CamaroFest I won BEST OF SHOW and MOST MODIFIED
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Old 08-07-2013, 06:32 AM   #24
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First off, it seems that many of these cars are nice and well done. I don't want to take that away from anybody.

But, it's also important to convey that this type of " popular judging" is subjective as well. Just like Scott said. This way, people understand why one car was chosen over another.

Maybe you want to think about adding a 100 point, concourse class as well. This class would only be open to stock vehicles and would be purely objective. Again, based on correctness, flawlessness, and cleanliness.

Something to think about.
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Old 08-07-2013, 07:39 AM   #25
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JFTR the GM people, C5 moderators, and disciples each had an award to give to their chosen car.

Adams' chose the "Best of Show" and "Best Paint/Exterior."

The CICC determined the following awards using a version of a 100 point system. (I didn't judge [too hard!], did my time at the registration booth.)

Best 1st gen
Best 2nd Gen
Best 3rd Gen
Best4th Gen
Best 5th Gen
Best interior
Best engine bay
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Old 08-07-2013, 08:09 AM   #26
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JFTR the GM people, C5 moderators, and disciples each had an award to give to their chosen car.

Adams' chose the "Best of Show" and "Best Paint/Exterior."

The CICC determined the following awards using a version of a 100 point system. (I didn't judge [too hard!], did my time at the registration booth.)

Best 1st gen
Best 2nd Gen
Best 3rd Gen
Best4th Gen
Best 5th Gen
Best interior
Best engine bay
Thanks for pointing that out, FYI, Adams chose the same vehicle that won best fifth Gen this year, last year for BEST PAINT, guess they knew what they were doing as well.

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Old 08-07-2013, 09:04 AM   #27
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That 1000 point deal takes way to long. Lets keep it the same way.
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Old 08-07-2013, 10:08 AM   #28
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The CICC determined the following awards using a version of a 100 point system. (I didn't judge [too hard!], did my time at the registration booth.)

Best 1st gen
Best 2nd Gen
Best 3rd Gen
Best4th Gen
Best 5th Gen
Best interior
Best engine bay
Do you know what the criteria was within the judging system?
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Old 08-07-2013, 10:33 AM   #29
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Do you know what the criteria was within the judging system?
Maybe someone who judged could better answer that, didn't see the judging sheet they used.

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Actually, car shows are quite simple.
The most correct, flawless, cleanest car wins. Modified cars do not win (outside of modified classes).
If you were the only judge, which car would have won? Specific car, not 'in general'

Even Concours shows are not simple, actually they're the most time consuming and difficult. If you had a Concours show for the 5th gen Camaro, you would only have one. No one wants to go to a car show that's won by the person that just drove their car off the showroom floor to the car show, or in this example, trailered it.
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If you were the only judge, which car would have won? Specific car, not 'in general'

Even Concours shows are not simple, actually they're the most time consuming and difficult. If you had a Concours show for the 5th gen Camaro, you would only have one. No one wants to go to a car show that's won by the person that just drove their car off the showroom floor to the car show, or in this example, trailered it.
I can't answer that as I wasn't there.

And I know concours shows are difficult. That's why winning one is such a big deal. And far above a subjective, popular vote.

Most of the concours shows I participate in have classes for newer cars. That way, a brand new car fresh off the showroom floor doesn't beat a 45 year old car.
You're right, if you mixed them all together, not many people would want to compete against a newer (or new) car.
That's why there are classes.

You could do a concours show for 5th gens. It would just be difficult as I imagine most of them are pretty nice. But if you're the cleanest, most flawless, and most correct (and in this case, they'd have to look at things like oil filters, paint pen marks, grease pen markings, and the tags on the individual components), then you'll win.

I love concours showing. It's the most objective, fairest way of judging vehicles.
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Old 08-07-2013, 01:07 PM   #32
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This thread is about the GM and Mod awards. There is no judging associated. Just the car we liked and thought deserved recognition. Each one of us had our own tastes and just made a personal choice.

I picked the 45th Anniversary car w/ the COPO hood and COPO style stripes that matched the 45th theme. It was totally setup for drag racing and not car shows but damn it really did it for me w/ the 15" weld wheels.
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I can't answer that as I wasn't there.

And I know concours shows are difficult. That's why winning one is such a big deal. And far above a subjective, popular vote.

Most of the concours shows I participate in have classes for newer cars. That way, a brand new car fresh off the showroom floor doesn't beat a 45 year old car.
You're right, if you mixed them all together, not many people would want to compete against a newer (or new) car.
That's why there are classes.

You could do a concours show for 5th gens. It would just be difficult as I imagine most of them are pretty nice. But if you're the cleanest, most flawless, and most correct (and in this case, they'd have to look at things like oil filters, paint pen marks, grease pen markings, and the tags on the individual components), then you'll win.

I love concours showing. It's the most objective, fairest way of judging vehicles.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Modding/showing these Gen5's is all about individuality, passion, and emotion, not adhering to some sterile, mind-numbing, numerical equation.
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Clearly the show portion wasn't advertised as a 1000pt system show where much of the above would apply. This was put on and judged by the local Camaro club, Adams and some GM reps. Hardly experienced 1000pt judges.

Even then you have plenty of lobbying for x car over another due to a genuine armrest vs a repro. Happens all the time. I wasn't even at this event but know enough to realize this type of show anyone can win. Straight stock or not and modified gets pretty dicey with this type of show. I'm sure everyone did their best and it's all in fun anyways.
This is the reason why we left it up to a local club that has organized these "unofficial" shows before...

Not only are we amature event organizers... we know NOTHING about how to run a car show... this is a mojor concern of ours for C5F5.... Hoping we can find an orgainization to help us get it right and enjoyable...
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