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Old 10-10-2013, 06:25 PM   #76
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*Flex at the attachment points would create a changing load from the bar resulting in uneven action.
Yes. Exactly! It's very minimal but on the track I feel it and makes it lightly unpredictable.
Okay. So I will get the Fe4/5 LCA and replace them.
I will report back.
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Old 10-10-2013, 06:42 PM   #77
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Yes. Exactly! It's very minimal but on the track I feel it and makes it lightly unpredictable.
Okay. So I will get the Fe4/5 LCA and replace them.
I will report back.
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Sub-Frame bushings, Z style arms and tweak your alignment to put an end to snap oversteer.

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I do have a preference for our sub-frame bushings. Total Control Area in our EP1201 bushings is multiples greater than OEM FE3 / 4 / 5 / 6.
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Old 10-10-2013, 10:18 PM   #78
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Pete are you saying that the subframe bushings are different on the 1LE than a stock FE6 SS?

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Old 10-11-2013, 07:20 AM   #79
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Pete are you saying that the subframe bushings are different on the 1LE than a stock FE6 SS?

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Unless the sub-frame bushes are green like those in the picture below the answer is yes.

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Old 03-05-2014, 04:55 PM   #80
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I've got the stock suspension on my 13 camaro v6. I want to make it feel a bit tighter in handling and corners. Should I got for this track pack or just install a simple strut bar on the front axel? Also does this kit lower the car at all?
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Old 03-06-2014, 05:30 AM   #81
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When I got my kit we made sure we got the one with the subframe bushings. Makes a world of difference, but also upped the install price since dropping the entire cradle.
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Old 03-06-2014, 10:16 AM   #82
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I've got the stock suspension on my 13 camaro v6. I want to make it feel a bit tighter in handling and corners. Should I got for this track pack or just install a simple strut bar on the front axel? Also does this kit lower the car at all?
1LE Kit Advantages

1. Better damping / valving / Struts
2. Rear Sub-frame bushes
3. Rear Toe Links
4. Rear upper mounts

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The 1LE sway bars are designed for a square wheel and tire setup. The SS delivers with a staggered wheel and tire setup. Match the sway bars to your tires and wheels. If you have staggered buy the factory ZL1 bars. If you have 1LE / Z/28 square setup buy the ZL1 bars. That is not a typo. The 27mm front 1LE bar understeers more than the 25mm front bar ZL1 setup.
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Old 03-06-2014, 10:21 AM   #83
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1LE Kit Advantages

1. Better damping / valving / Struts
2. Rear Sub-frame bushes
3. Rear Toe Links
4. Rear upper mounts

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The 1LE sway bars are designed for a square wheel and tire setup. The SS delivers with a staggered wheel and tire setup. Match the sway bars to your tires and wheels. If you have staggered buy the factory ZL1 bars. If you have 1LE / Z/28 square setup buy the ZL1 bars. That is not a typo. The 27mm front 1LE bar understeers more than the 25mm front bar ZL1 setup.
Reading this, are yo saying that if you have a 1LE, yo can further reduce the understeer by changing the stock 1LE front sway to the smaller 25 mm sway? also, can you explain to me why that would be the case. I am new to the whole suspension deal.
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Old 03-06-2014, 10:43 AM   #84
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Reading this, are yo saying that if you have a 1LE, yo can further reduce the understeer by changing the stock 1LE front sway to the smaller 25 mm sway? also, can you explain to me why that would be the case. I am new to the whole suspension deal.
It is a black art!

Reducing the size of the front sway bar would increase front grip....BUT with the stock rate front springs couldn't the cause-effect be the inside rear wheel would "lift" decreaseing traction on corner exist when trying to apply power?

HMMM got me thinking here!

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Old 03-06-2014, 10:51 AM   #85
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I can and will later in the day. Right now I have to finish a project in the shop before the bus runs me over.
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Old 03-06-2014, 08:17 PM   #86
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Unless the sub-frame bushes are green like those in the picture below the answer is yes.

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I just climbed under my 1LE and my subframe bushings are not green. I can see a hard cream/white outer bushing with the rubber insert.

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Old 03-06-2014, 08:24 PM   #87
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Pete,

I just climbed under my 1LE and my subframe bushings are not green. I can see a hard cream/white outer bushing with the rubber insert.

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I believe that picture is the 1LE Track Pack kit available through Chevrolet Performance Parts.
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Old 03-06-2014, 08:36 PM   #88
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Pete,

I just climbed under my 1LE and my subframe bushings are not green. I can see a hard cream/white outer bushing with the rubber insert.

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Matt, only the adhesive is green and you'll only see traces of it on the front sub-frame bushings.
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Old 03-06-2014, 08:38 PM   #89
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Reading this, are yo saying that if you have a 1LE, yo can further reduce the understeer by changing the stock 1LE front sway to the smaller 25 mm sway? also, can you explain to me why that would be the case. I am new to the whole suspension deal.
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It is a black art!

Reducing the size of the front sway bar would increase front grip....BUT with the stock rate front springs couldn't the cause-effect be the inside rear wheel would "lift" decreaseing traction on corner exist when trying to apply power?

HMMM got me thinking here!

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Yep.

With the increased front grip by comparison the rear has less grip resulting in a bit more rotation
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Old 03-06-2014, 09:18 PM   #90
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Yep.

With the increased front grip by comparison the rear has less grip resulting in a bit more rotation
I don't mind rotation at all. I drove FWD cars tail out for years that would spin if you thought about lifting .

My concern is picking up the inside wheel on corner exit...I already have an issue on certain turns on corner exist (Grattan turn 7, right hander just before the carousel) with the inside wheel breaking loose and spinning until I lift. I know this can be fixed with a Trutrac or Torsen, but I don't want to exaggerate the issue.

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Old 03-06-2014, 09:27 PM   #91
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I don't mind rotation at all. I drove FWD cars tail out for years that would spin if you thought about lifting .

My concern is picking up the inside wheel on corner exit...I already have an issue on certain turns on corner exist (Grattan turn 7, right hander just before the carousel) with the inside wheel breaking loose and spinning until I lift. I know this can be fixed with a Trutrac or Torsen, but I don't want to exaggerate the issue.

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What rear bar do you have?
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Old 03-06-2014, 09:35 PM   #92
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What rear bar do you have?
Front and rear bars are stock 1LE......

Conversation has continued in another thread regarding 1LE suspension:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/newrep...eply&p=7475235

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Old 06-10-2014, 01:19 PM   #93
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On my 2013 SS I could just make out the part number on the front cradle bushing. It was the same as the part #20941932 I have seen listed on this site for the 1LE cradle bushings. Maybe this is not the 1LE part #. Anyone else with a '13 wants to check? It is stamped in the black rubber at the top of the bushing.
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