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Old 08-12-2013, 11:36 PM   #101
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Old 08-12-2013, 11:42 PM   #102
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Of course I hope you are right but the quote from the Jay/Al video is

Jay: "The cool thing is they're only going to build about, what, 1500 of this a year?"

Al: "That's right, yup..."

Some of you guys know way better than I do, from past GM/Chevy experience, if Al is prone to being agreeable in these interview situations or if he would have said something to the effect of "No, we plan to build as many as the market has appetite for". What is his past track record of sticking to interview claims?

If their conversation is to be taken at face value, Chevy decided to do a limited edition after all. Or it's constrained by capacity to hand build the engines. Or both. Hey, it's all just mental masturbation. I've got no opinion which way it will go and will just wait, with my March dated, signed, MSRP buyers order and see what shakes out.

We'll know soon enough, in TWO WEEKS! Right?

Sorry, couldn' t resist...
Looks and sounds great...hope it lives up to everything they are claiming. I think demand will be the limiting factor. Price i still think is gonna be pushing 70k and up. Just how many are gonna put down that kind of money. I hope they sell over the 1500. Gotta keep our cars profitable so we can argue about the 2025 and 2026 Mustang and Camaro
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I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed this video. So sweet that I had the opportunity to meet Al Oppenheiser and chat at C5FestIV. Just don't want to part with my SS yet (its paid for).
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Old 08-13-2013, 02:22 AM   #104
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Bad news for me, at 6'7"...
Do you already drive a Camaro ?
Because i'm between 6'6 and 6'7 and my head nearly touches roof by less than 1/2".
So, no helmet for me :(
After that, it depends on your morphology : long legs or not.
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Old 08-13-2013, 05:58 AM   #105
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It's not that I don't like Jay. But i'll wait until the David letterman test drive...
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Old 08-13-2013, 07:53 AM   #106
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It's not that I don't like Jay. But i'll wait until the David letterman test drive...
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Old 08-13-2013, 07:59 AM   #107
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You are right of course. And I'll pay for it when I eventually do sell, "He tracked it! Waaaa! It's ruined! Waaaa! Gimme a 75% discount because you tracked it!". I'm so over that crowd...haha.

No one asks the question: what's the value of a frequent Z/28 induced dopamine and endorphin high? Priceless, I'd contend. Certainly far more than than whatever the bubble wrappers will ever make in "profit", when corrected for inflation. Seems that minor issue is always conveniently overlooked. If you are honest with yourself, cars aren't investments no matter what anyone will try to tell you. Or what you tell your wife...

PS- I take some solace in seeing a new BOSS 302/S (that's the Ford parts dept sold race car, for those who don't know) went for less than MSRP at the Reno Barrett-Jackson. Sold for $75k as I recall, new ones sold for $85/$89k depending on 3-way shocks or not. So maybe the bubble wrappers have less interest in specialty track cars and don't muck up the market for new Z/28's. It's not a direct comparison for the Z/28 so not sure how applicable my assumption might be.
Ya I would drive the damn thing. We did it with our goats and cudas then woke up one day to trade for a new one and there were none. Just had to wait tell now for off the showroom fast/fun again.
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Old 08-13-2013, 09:01 AM   #108
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Just my $.02....Jay is a collector for sure....don't know where he heard the 1500 made from, but it sounded like Al didn't want to get into all that with him while driving....lol....I'm thinking the "limit" will be how many of the available/smog legal or whatever LS7s they can get their hands on for the builds....Also I think Al was a little sheepish/demure on the pricing, and didn't want to raise Jay's gigantic eyebrows with the real price...lol...

Seemed Al wanted to emphasize the availability of the Z/28 parts....maybe that's something that might help keep the price of the car down a tad, but I doubt it...

Last thing, Jay kept saying it felt like a "muscle-car"....In my book a muscle car didn't handle worth a darn, was overweight in the front, and just made to go a 1/4 mile at a time....not quite what the Z/28 is...lol...

Felt like a muscle car and handles like a sport car he said!
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Old 08-13-2013, 09:04 AM   #109
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Damn! I should have been patient one more year! Oh well I don't regret getting the GT500 until I see a Z/28 on the road.
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Old 08-13-2013, 09:05 AM   #110
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I think its going to have an extremely difficult time beating a C6Z06, especially a zo7 equipped model.

having said that, the fact that its the highest performing track oriented camaro ever says a lot about their dedication to the camaro program. Of course the car is going to be expensive, but its equipped with many of the same features as the second highest performing corvette.

I also think there are a lot of people (and members here) that seem to be forgetting top models arent typically designed and priced with your average joe in mind... Not everyone is supposed to get this car. First, it ruins exclusivity. Second, whether we like it or not there are people in this world that have the means (deserving or not) to enjoy material possessions others can only drool over.

one more comment since im already knee deep... why all the hate toward the collectors? I see ultra low mileage nearly never driven models of old cars and admire the people that had the will to never drive them. Ill admit now that if I had the cash id have several <20 mile preserved rides in my collection.
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Old 08-13-2013, 09:06 AM   #111
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Do you already drive a Camaro ?
Because i'm between 6'6 and 6'7 and my head nearly touches roof by less than 1/2".
So, no helmet for me :(
After that, it depends on your morphology : long legs or not.
At the fest, I sat in a 1LE with the recaros and had between 2 and 3 inches more head room.
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Old 08-13-2013, 10:29 AM   #112
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Cool car, I suspect that 1500 allotment is just right. It SICKENS me that we can't bypass the price gouging from dealers. That's what is really starting to turn me off from GM/Chevy. If there was a way to direct order these cars and bypass the Dealer then i'd be all for it. If GM actually monitors these posts my idea is this:

1. Give each Dealer 1 CAR such (Corvette ZO6, Camaro ZL1, Z28, Z51 etc.) for demo/test drive purposes.
2. Create a separate dept. in all Chevy dealers for (direct orders) or even take the orders online directly at Chevy site.
3. Make dealers basically pickup locations once car arrives.

BOOM Gouging is gone.
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Old 08-13-2013, 12:48 PM   #113
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one more comment since im already knee deep... why all the hate toward the collectors? I see ultra low mileage nearly never driven models of old cars and admire the people that had the will to never drive them. Ill admit now that if I had the cash id have several <20 mile preserved rides in my collection.
Well, buying a car and stashing it in a garage hoping it'll appreciate is dumb. Here's an example: a very good condition '69 SS that cost about $3000 back then will get maybe $70-90,000 nowadays. If you had just put that same $3,000 in the stock market, you'd have something like $150,000 to $180,000. So, not only did you not enjoy a perfectly good car, you cost yourself around $90,000, assuming you weren't also paying insurance on the car for the past 40 years. Cars are for driving not investing. If I had a Z/28, you'd better believe I'd have the highest mileage Z/28 in the country.
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Old 08-13-2013, 01:09 PM   #114
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You think everyone is doing it for money.... Idon't.

I think theyre preserving the cars future in the way a museum does.

and thats exactly what id do if I could.
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Old 08-13-2013, 01:40 PM   #115
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Haha gotta love Jay shitting on automatic owners!
Very nice, some of us disabled Vets can no longer drive a manual.
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I say hat's off to the collectors. Let them have their fun how they see fit....Even so-called garage queens and museum cars do get driven from time to time by their owners...they don't sit and rot...

....Like others, I'd do it if I had the means....Hobbies and car collecting has been going on forever....I don't think any collector is looking to get rich or make a killing with it as an investment....They've already "made it" and that's why they have the luxury and option of just buying and collecting one for fun...All good...
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At the fest, I sat in a 1LE with the recaros and had between 2 and 3 inches more head room.
2 or 3 more inches than in your 1LE?
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Old 08-13-2013, 02:40 PM   #119
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For those hatin' on Leno, look at this entire episode as...an episode! It's on-line Marketing. Who else has a blog or website with as much audience as Leno and Leno's Garage? If YOU do, please advise GM. They NEED you!

This entire episode was loosely scripted. Leno walks him through it. Leno's the straightman. Al's the star. Confirming specs that Leno feeds him, or answering Leno's leading questions. Leno's comfortable in front of the camera(s). He does this for a living, and is VERY well-paid. Al? Not so, but he's improving. And Leno's a helluva coach. Only the couch, and the studio audience, was missing.

Leno has a long-established relationship with GM. Recall the 1st crate 572 went into his Roadmaster. With his name carved in the rocker covers. Recall the SEMA '09 Leno Camaro. Recall GM's assistance with his turbine one-off. His RWD Toronado. Recall his association with Welburn. Recall his stature amongst the auto community at large. Very large!

"1,500 per year". Folks, from April '14 to the end of Gen-5 production, mid-'15, doesn't equate to "3,000". More likely to be 375 or so per 1/4. And, if April '14 is launch (no pun), it may in fact be titled and VIN'd as a MY '15.

As to a dealer test-drive, there'll be a BUNCH of dealers that never SEE one, let alone be able to offer t/d's. Sad, but most certainly true.

As to a price North of a ZL1, that's because a ZL1's usual road course track time will be NORTH of a Z/28. As in GREATER, time-wise. No other Manufacturer has this delightful dilemma.

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For those hatin' on Leno, look at this entire episode as...an episode! It's on-line Marketing. Who else has a blog or website with as much audience as Leno and Leno's Garage? If YOU do, please advise GM. They NEED you!

This entire episode was loosely scripted. Leno walks him through it. Leno's the straightman. Al's the star. Confirming specs that Leno feeds him, or answering Leno's leading questions. Leno's comfortable in front of the camera(s). He does this for a living, and is VERY well-paid. Al? Not so, but he's improving. And Leno's a helluva coach. Only the couch, and the studio audience, was missing.

Leno has a long-established relationship with GM. Recall the 1st crate 572 went into his Roadmaster. With his name carved in the rocker covers. Recall the SEMA '09 Leno Camaro. Recall GM's assistance with his turbine one-off. His RWD Toronado. Recall his association with Welburn. Recall his stature amongst the auto community at large. Very large!

"1,500 per year". Folks, from April '14 to the end of Gen-5 production, mid-'15, doesn't equate to "3,000". More likely to be 375 or so per 1/4. And, if April '14 is launch (no pun), it may in fact be titled and VIN'd as a MY '15.

As to a dealer test-drive, there'll be a BUNCH of dealers that never SEE one, let alone be able to offer t/d's. Sad, but most certainly true.

As to a price North of a ZL1, that's because a ZL1's usual road course track time will be NORTH of a Z/28. As in GREATER, time-wise. No other Manufacturer has this delightful dilemma.

Get on a list. NOW!
It all makes sense to me, excellent points in regards to Leno, you bet it is all scripted, not sure why I didn't comprehend that immediately as I was watching the video. Stunned from the goodness of seeing the car on a public street will be my excuse.

Yes, if you claim you want one and don't already have a signed buyers order with selling price noted, then you don't *really* want one. It's just that simple. The phone and internet are your friend to find one at the price you seek. No whining from those too lazy to do the homework
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This video makes me happy to have my 1LE. I already have a few parts from the Z28; tranny, rear end, but cannot wait until they release that intake!
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This video makes me happy to have my 1LE. I already have a few parts from the Z28; tranny, rear end, but cannot wait until they release that intake!
While the gear ratios are the same, the differential will be different in the Z/28. The operation of the Z/28 differential will be more like the ZL1 with less slip to put power down coming out of corners.
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Nice!!!!!
Only 1500 a year so I might have to order this direct.....

I might have to get back to the stick.....
I can hear my dad automatic boy is just slap into 4th or 5th and call it a day....
Don't be a wuss.....

Just saying it would be a daily for me
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Old 08-13-2013, 07:34 PM   #124
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I'm cracking up....
These guys are gonna make sure I don't drop that money down on a Stingray too quick.....

I'm getting them both but who is first
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For those hatin' on Leno, look at this entire episode as...an episode! It's on-line Marketing. Who else has a blog or website with as much audience as Leno and Leno's Garage? If YOU do, please advise GM. They NEED you!

This entire episode was loosely scripted. Leno walks him through it. Leno's the straightman. Al's the star. Confirming specs that Leno feeds him, or answering Leno's leading questions. Leno's comfortable in front of the camera(s). He does this for a living, and is VERY well-paid. Al? Not so, but he's improving. And Leno's a helluva coach. Only the couch, and the studio audience, was missing.

Leno has a long-established relationship with GM. Recall the 1st crate 572 went into his Roadmaster. With his name carved in the rocker covers. Recall the SEMA '09 Leno Camaro. Recall GM's assistance with his turbine one-off. His RWD Toronado. Recall his association with Welburn. Recall his stature amongst the auto community at large. Very large!

"1,500 per year". Folks, from April '14 to the end of Gen-5 production, mid-'15, doesn't equate to "3,000". More likely to be 375 or so per 1/4. And, if April '14 is launch (no pun), it may in fact be titled and VIN'd as a MY '15.

As to a dealer test-drive, there'll be a BUNCH of dealers that never SEE one, let alone be able to offer t/d's. Sad, but most certainly true.

As to a price North of a ZL1, that's because a ZL1's usual road course track time will be NORTH of a Z/28. As in GREATER, time-wise. No other Manufacturer has this delightful dilemma.

Get on a list. NOW!

No hate for Jay just disappointed.
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