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Old 08-11-2013, 11:34 AM   #35
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good rule of thumb from now on would be to knock the tune back a little at the track ,make a few passes then start adjusting for conditions , I usually do that then send the logs to my tuner between runs ,and we adjust for that day @ the power level you and some of us are @, its really the only way to do it there is no one tune fits all for us .but get that beast back together its one of my favorites
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Old 08-11-2013, 09:56 PM   #36
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No problem but just want everyone to know I fully support Cincy Speed. As Jamie said, most people have no idea what all has been done to the car as it was basically stripped down to the bare body and rebuilt part by part. This was not a simple thrown together build. People have no idea what all is involved in builds like these to actually make them work. Anyone can make over 1000hp but its extremely difficult to make it all work at the track. Look at Darth Emma's car for another example, ran 8.47 and next time out she broke axles and transmission. I'm putting 30 lbs of boost through my motor too which is going to cause problems eventually no matter what and its just being prepared this will happen. Once I get my motor back in car it's ready to come off the trailer and start ripping it.
Hey Jason! Sorry to hear about your dilemmas... I admire you for hanging in there and continue to spend and chase your dream. As you know, it's not just about increasing rwhp. That in itself produces bigger headaches. And then, we have to find ways of applying it all to the ground.

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Old 08-11-2013, 10:06 PM   #37
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Have you thought about a proline engine?

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Old 08-11-2013, 11:13 PM   #38
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Yes but at this point all I need is a block pistons and rods. I can re-use everything else
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Old 08-11-2013, 11:43 PM   #39
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Sorry Jason. Hope you get that bad boy up & running really soon! I was hoping to see you run at the LSX fest in Bowling Green.
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Old 08-11-2013, 11:48 PM   #40
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Sorry Jason. Hope you get that bad boy up & running really soon! I was hoping to see you run at the LSX fest in Bowling Green.
That was the goal but not sure how quick I get motor back together. I will know more tomorrow when I know exactly what I will need and availability to make this happen. I'm still trying to make Holley fest.
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Old 08-12-2013, 03:27 AM   #41
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I fully understand that this was not a block issue as you have explained very well.

My question is if there is actually a block out there that would have handled this BETTER then the LSX? From my understanding, the LSX, from a shear strength stand point is about the top of the pile.

Curious what the damage would have been with one of the top end aluminum blocks if the same thing occurred?

I an NO WHERE REMOTELY near anything you guys are at power wise, never will be but I understand your attitude, when you push the limits things break and when you push as hard as you guys are pushing, its not uncommon at all. Just part of the price to play the game, unfortunately a spendy part of the game.

Again, just curious if you think the LXS block handled the head lift as well as any other block would have. ITs amazing to think about an LSX block and heads lifting, WOW!!!
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Old 08-12-2013, 07:33 AM   #42
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Who's doing your rebuild, Cincy?
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Old 08-12-2013, 08:07 AM   #43
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I fully understand that this was not a block issue as you have explained very well.

My question is if there is actually a block out there that would have handled this BETTER then the LSX? From my understanding, the LSX, from a shear strength stand point is about the top of the pile.

Curious what the damage would have been with one of the top end aluminum blocks if the same thing occurred?

I an NO WHERE REMOTELY near anything you guys are at power wise, never will be but I understand your attitude, when you push the limits things break and when you push as hard as you guys are pushing, its not uncommon at all. Just part of the price to play the game, unfortunately a spendy part of the game.

Again, just curious if you think the LXS block handled the head lift as well as any other block would have. ITs amazing to think about an LSX block and heads lifting, WOW!!!
I don't think it would have mattered what kind of block it was. When the heads lifted it filled with water and hydro locked. Anytime this happens stuff is going to break.
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Old 08-12-2013, 08:08 AM   #44
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No Cincy has never had anything to do with the motor work as Bischoff Racing Engines is who I use
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No Cincy has never had anything to do with the motor work as Bischoff Racing Engines is who I use
Gotcha, was wondering if they were doing the install.
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Old 08-12-2013, 10:17 AM   #46
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I don't think it would have mattered what kind of block it was. When the heads lifted it filled with water and hydro locked. Anytime this happens stuff is going to break.
YEP!!! Good luck with the rebuild and hope your back at it soon.
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Hey Jrp what gaskets are you running?
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Damn. Hope you get that beast up and running soon.
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Old 08-12-2013, 09:55 PM   #49
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Jason, I spoke with/met a friend of yours today... Dave... We were discussing intakes... I like what I saw... Big time... Don't know with these bigger turbos if ill need that much but wow... Nice toys...
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Old 08-12-2013, 10:00 PM   #50
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I don't think it would have mattered what kind of block it was. When the heads lifted it filled with water and hydro locked. Anytime this happens stuff is going to break.
This... I lifted heads on my ERL with Arp studs... Mine was more a case of be head flexing and allowing water to push out... Along with the flame front which washed the block and head...

We now have LSA heads rather than the LS3 heads..,LSA heads are much harder aluminum, just ask the guy that hand ported them for me... Oh the whining... Lol,,, we also drilled the holes and are now using oversized studs... 30 psi of boost and a nitrous shot on the dyno and haven't pushed a drop of water... The new studs and heads allow for somewhere on the order of 67,000 lbs more clamping force if I understood that correctly...
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Old 08-12-2013, 10:27 PM   #51
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Jason, I spoke with/met a friend of yours today... Dave... We were discussing intakes... I like what I saw... Big time... Don't know with these bigger turbos if ill need that much but wow... Nice toys...
Thanks. I spoke with the owner of BES who is doing my motor today and found out a lot. The timing is what caused it but it was only a tenth of a second that did all the damage. All gaskets were perfect and internally it cracked every piston and cracked the walls of the block along with a couple bent connecting rods so there was ALOT of pressure internally. The odd thing is that NOTHING was burnt or heated, which in turn tells us it was literally a split second that the heads lifted and destroyed everything that quickly. Thankfully I didn't stay in it any longer or it would have been pure carnage. Now on to the next interesting find is that this motor was torqueing so hard under power that the crank was flexing a lot as the cog belt was trying to pull the crank out of the motor, thus causing the belt breaking issue and possibly whipping the belt and crank and throwing the timing out as well.

Now the positive out of all of this. I am getting a new RHS aluminum block and all new pistons and rods to get even more power from motor alone. The next HUGE improvement is there is no longer a cog drive, it is now converted over to a gear drive setup which will give more power and tons more reliability as there is zero strain on the motor compared to a cog belt as the blower is now driven directly off the front of the crank. I am moving forward as fast as possible with all of this but I am super excited to get this new setup as I kick myself now for not looking into this originally. I will now be able to push all the blower and all the nitrous without the worry of a cog setup as the gear drive is 100% efficient.
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