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Old 05-14-2014, 04:53 PM   #1
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Turbo cam choice

Finding actual numbers from people going with turbos is a little hard especially with a particular cam. I searched and it seems like if I can find numbers they are using the stock cam. Looking for a somewhat middle of the road turbo cam that will show some nice gains while still running N/A. I see a lot of blower cams though. Logically speaking a good turbo cam would probably be geared more for low-midrange than peak power because of lag and such. What do you guys think of this cam?

Tick Performance Turbo Stage 2 Camshaft for LS3 & L99 Engines
227/235 | .62x”/.61x” | LSA115+5

or even the stage 1

Tick Performance Turbo Stage 1 Camshaft for LS3 & L99 Engines
223/231 | .61x”/.59x” | LSA115+5

I got the car dyno'd today to see what it put down. Stock 2010 M6 SS 29.5k miles put down 368/366 SAE corrected on a dynojet today. Seems to be right in line with most people in M6.

The plan is to throw in a cam and get a decent little gain, but plan towards a turbo setup in the future. I want to make ~650rw on pump gas which seems pretty easily attainable with a good turbo or S/C setup. I would buy full exhaust and had one picked out here from a member, but then I started seeing turbo kits and some new ones on the near horizon. It got me thinking. Why buy full exhaust and a CAI if I just go turbo later? No point really.

Anybody know someone with a turbo setup and aftermarket cam shooting for around the same HP figure?
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Old 05-14-2014, 05:00 PM   #2
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You can make > 650rwhp with your stock cam. A cam kit will set you back $1k or so (just a guess as I haven't looked lately) plus labor unless you do it yourself. That's 15-20% of a turbo or sc setup.

If all you want is 650, just save for turbos and skip the cam for now.
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Old 05-14-2014, 05:04 PM   #3
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You don't need to do a cam at all to hit 650+whp on a TT set-up. But if you must, go with the smaller Stage1.
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Old 05-14-2014, 05:11 PM   #4
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And I recommend the AGP kit too.
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Old 05-14-2014, 05:12 PM   #5
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Yeah I will love the sound of a cammed LSx, so even if I don't NEED it to hit 650rw I want it anyway. Never hurts to make it a little easier. I can get a cam kit with double springs for less than $800 and I would probably just install it myself. I did two on my 2002 LS1 and once heads/cam.

650rw might not be all I want, but for now that is the goal. Mine as well plan to exceed that since when are people that own these cars ever satisfied once you get the HP bug
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Yeah I will love the sound of a cammed LSx, so even if I don't NEED it to hit 650rw I want it anyway. Never hurts to make it a little easier. I can get a cam kit with double springs for less than $800 and I would probably just install it myself. I did two on my 2002 LS1 and once heads/cam.

650rw might not be all I want, but for now that is the goal. Mine as well plan to exceed that since when are people that own these cars ever satisfied once you get the HP bug
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This^^ I have a almost new cam from pat g for sale in the classified and it's spect for boost
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You don't need a cam for 650.
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Finding actual numbers from people going with turbos is a little hard especially with a particular cam. I searched and it seems like if I can find numbers they are using the stock cam. Looking for a somewhat middle of the road turbo cam that will show some nice gains while still running N/A. I see a lot of blower cams though. Logically speaking a good turbo cam would probably be geared more for low-midrange than peak power because of lag and such. What do you guys think of this cam?

Tick Performance Turbo Stage 2 Camshaft for LS3 & L99 Engines
227/235 | .62x”/.61x” | LSA115+5

or even the stage 1

Tick Performance Turbo Stage 1 Camshaft for LS3 & L99 Engines
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I got the car dyno'd today to see what it put down. Stock 2010 M6 SS 29.5k miles put down 368/366 SAE corrected on a dynojet today. Seems to be right in line with most people in M6.

The plan is to throw in a cam and get a decent little gain, but plan towards a turbo setup in the future. I want to make ~650rw on pump gas which seems pretty easily attainable with a good turbo or S/C setup. I would buy full exhaust and had one picked out here from a member, but then I started seeing turbo kits and some new ones on the near horizon. It got me thinking. Why buy full exhaust and a CAI if I just go turbo later? No point really.

Anybody know someone with a turbo setup and aftermarket cam shooting for around the same HP figure?
Both those cams would work fine NA and with the turbo if they make power where you want it, which is basically what the cam does is help determine the engines efficiency range based on the other components. We've made 1030rwhp @18psi with a 248/254 114 in a 6.0 TT that most would never consider a "turbo" cam. Hope that helps, I just hate putting labels on things. BullF-16 "blower" speced cam made 1280 rwhp with two turbos for example. Not at all saying there's a one size fits all, but Martin@Tick is who I'd talk to if you're going to buy from them.
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Old 05-15-2014, 07:47 PM   #10
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Both those cams would work fine NA and with the turbo if they make power where you want it, which is basically what the cam does is help determine the engines efficiency range based on the other components. We've made 1030rwhp @18psi with a 248/254 114 in a 6.0 TT that most would never consider a "turbo" cam. Hope that helps, I just hate putting labels on things. BullF-16 "blower" speced cam made 1280 rwhp with two turbos for example. Not at all saying there's a one size fits all, but Martin@Tick is who I'd talk to if you're going to buy from them.
Thanks for the info going back and forth between the turbo and S/C setup but all things considered I am now leaning towards an ATI Procharger tuner kit with P1SC1 head unit (maybe upgrade to D1 later).


From reading it looks like 650rw should be obtainable pretty easy with a setup like this..

2in primary longtubes/3 in collectors/3in Xpipe/no cats

ATI Procharger P1SC1 Tuner kit

Tick Performance Blower Stage 1 Camshaft for LS3 & L99 Engines
223/239 | .61x”/.62x” | LSA115+6

ZL1 fuel pump

FAST 30857-8 Precision-Flow 85 lb/hr 892.5cc/min High-Impedance Fuel Injector for LS3/LS7, (Set of 8)
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Old 05-15-2014, 08:14 PM   #11
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Thanks for the info going back and forth between the turbo and S/C setup but all things considered I am now leaning towards an ATI Procharger tuner kit with P1SC1 head unit (maybe upgrade to D1 later).


From reading it looks like 650rw should be obtainable pretty easy with a setup like this..

2in primary longtubes/3 in collectors/3in Xpipe/no cats

ATI Procharger P1SC1 Tuner kit

Tick Performance Blower Stage 1 Camshaft for LS3 & L99 Engines
223/239 | .61x”/.62x” | LSA115+6

ZL1 fuel pump

FAST 30857-8 Precision-Flow 85 lb/hr 892.5cc/min High-Impedance Fuel Injector for LS3/LS7, (Set of 8)
http://www.amazon.com/FAST-30857-8-P.../dp/B002EDX4KY

(huge list of driveline/suspension upgrades)

Some serious advice here. Just go with the D1SC now!!!!!! Its only 200 bucks more than the P1 and soooooooo much better.

650 rwhp now and 800 later with supporting mods.
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Old 05-15-2014, 10:57 PM   #12
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Some serious advice here. Just go with the D1SC now!!!!!! Its only 200 bucks more than the P1 and soooooooo much better.

650 rwhp now and 800 later with supporting mods.
Agreed this is good advice! You have been bitten by the mod bug. There is no cure!!
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Old 05-16-2014, 10:39 AM   #13
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Old 05-16-2014, 04:50 PM   #14
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Another option for cams.
Brian Tooley Racing
Pat G
They are also known for great custom cams.
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Old 05-16-2014, 09:38 PM   #15
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I honestly don't think (and you guys would probably agree) I doubt I need anything "custom" to reach my goals right now. I think there are plenty of off the shelf custom grinds that will get me there. Just seeing what people have used/would recommend. I have searched here and the internet and I see some results cammed with FI, but not really too many. As of now I think I will go with the a tick performance stage 1 cam or if I decide to go a little more aggressive the TSP LS3-B blower cam. I see everyone doing 1 bolt to 3 bolt cams. Has anyone had an issue with the single bolt timing sprocket on the cam with a higher lift cam in these or are people just being overly paranoid about it?
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Old 05-17-2014, 11:52 AM   #16
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I'm twin turbo with a LS9 cam making 1100+rwhp, ultimate stealth, drives like stock because it is!
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Old 06-04-2014, 02:53 AM   #17
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I'm twin turbo with a LS9 cam making 1100+rwhp, ultimate stealth, drives like stock because it is!
Where did you buy those valve covers??? How much and what do you need to install any special gaskets ?
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Old 06-04-2014, 10:55 AM   #18
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I fit the bill

Funny. Like you, I was at 368rwhp all stock. Then I had AGP TT base kit installed. Had a few extras installed to ensure adequate fueling (ID1000s and LPE twin fuel). Tuner was content with 9.5# boost and that yielded 652rwhp. Be sure to add supporting suspension mods (trailing arms, toe links, perhaps cradle bushings or solids) to capture the HP else you'll get wheel hop and start breaking stuff.

No cam or exhaust necessary; however, if you do then it would just sound meaner and you would get a bit more HP with less boost (depending on cam anywhere between 35-75HP gain at same boost level).

Right now, it drives like stock around town and anywhere. That is until you put the throttle down then all hell breaks loose. Enjoy!!!

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Old 06-04-2014, 10:08 PM   #19
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Where did you buy those valve covers??? How much and what do you need to install any special gaskets ?
You can get them from GM Performance, I had them powder coated crinkle black & the lettering done in red.
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Old 06-05-2014, 01:39 AM   #20
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Definitely go with the D1 . And custom cam for your set up. A custom cam does not cost any more than off-the-shelf cams most the time. Mike Norris set me up with a custom cam for my V3si . I did not want to lose any power in the low range. I actually picked up a decent amount in the lower RPMs.
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Or skip the headers/cam/etc and just do the turbos.
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