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Old 03-09-2008, 10:54 PM   #1
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Factory paint condition

I was reading the thread about breaking in the engine and it made me think, don't know why though. I have bought bought 2 brand new vehicles from GM now. The paint on both vehicles were acceptable for a factory job. The s-10 had some bad orange peel especialy on the roof. I don't expect GM to do anything special with the paint on the camaro, so I think its safe to assume the paint will be less than show quality. What can be done to get the best out of a factory paint job? I've done the whole wet-sand, cut, buff, wax thing before. Would it be beneficial to spray on additional clear coat? What do you guys think?
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Old 03-09-2008, 11:07 PM   #2
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Well, I have done one or two things for this depending on the situation and body material.

The first is a really good buffing out and waxing.

The second is detailing grit sandpaper and time, then some wax.

Either way you just need to learn the material you are working on and research the methods to fix it. With time and patience anything is fixable.
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Hmm, orange peel texture is usually a sign of non-factory paint. My Cobalt's factory paint is pretty good. It certainly won't win awards, but it doesn't have any obvious flaws like that.
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Just wax it and keep it clean. The more you keep it garaged and out of the sun, the less the paint will fade. There are places that do the extra clear coat. If you've got the extra cash, why not? heck, if I had lotsa extra cash, I'd do it.
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If you want to keep the original factory paint, Color sand and then reclear.

BuuUUUUuuut... at that point you're awfully close to a new pain job.... SO SPRAY SOME KICK A$$ FLAMES AND ROAST EM EVERY WHERE YOU GO!!!!!!!
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It will have the same texture as most other paints. ANY painting will produce some orange peel. I've worked at a bodyshop for several years and at a dealer several before, and it is due to the paint equipment that there is orange peel. Of course, too little clearcoat can produce orange peel too. Know that the OEM clearcoat is really thin, and by polishing, you are removing clearcoat. Also know that clearcoat protects the paint itself (the color) so by thinning the clearcoat you are removing protection from the sun and other elements. If you want flat paint, pay another $6K to paint the car and have a professional polish for several hours. Otherwise, just keep it waxed.

Another thing to think about is that orange peel will help conceal small inconsistancies in the sheetmetal, so unless you want to see every little imperfection, leave a little peel.

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Old 03-10-2008, 10:31 AM   #7
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Arent some of the camaro's paint job's a three stage process? I know for a fact bumble bee is, but I thought the red was also and the orange.
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Camaro hasn't had three stage up to now. Bumblebee could and could not be three stage. A lot of Ford's red have been in the past. Not all reds or oranges are though ;D
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Well I know for a fact bumble bee is a three stage paint job. Just wondering if bumble bee's color will be an actual color..is my only concern. thats the perfect yellow in the world for me
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Just wax it and keep it clean. The more you keep it garaged and out of the sun, the less the paint will fade. There are places that do the extra clear coat. If you've got the extra cash, why not? heck, if I had lotsa extra cash, I'd do it.
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Regarding the paint condition on the new Camaro, I plan on doing the following once my car arrives;

1. Ask the dealer not to remove the plastic, etc., before I take a look at the car/paint. To avoid any issue's over any possible "defects" in the paint, I'll allow them to hand wash the vehicle, and be present if possible.

2. I'll most likely bring the car home and go over it with a "fine tooth comb" to ensure the quailty and condition of the interior and exterior. And I'll probably wash it again myself.

3. Depending on the "build date" of the car (to determine the age of the paint) I'll determine if the paint has cured enough before going through the "Zaino process".

I've followed this process with my SS with alot of success.
Many times I'm asked if the car has received a professional repaint, and people are surprised to hear the paint is factory original.
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I was reading the thread about breaking in the engine and it made me think, don't know why though. I have bought bought 2 brand new vehicles from GM now. The paint on both vehicles were acceptable for a factory job. The s-10 had some bad orange peel especialy on the roof. I don't expect GM to do anything special with the paint on the camaro, so I think its safe to assume the paint will be less than show quality. What can be done to get the best out of a factory paint job? I've done the whole wet-sand, cut, buff, wax thing before. Would it be beneficial to spray on additional clear coat? What do you guys think?
I don't expect the Camaro paint treatment to be any different than vehicles like the Silverado or Malibu etc.

Only the Corvette gets the type of attention I think you are referring to

I use Zaino on my vehicles with great results. I'd think a nice clay bar and polish will be in order for any new Camaro
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Well I know for a fact bumble bee is a three stage paint job. Just wondering if bumble bee's color will be an actual color..is my only concern. thats the perfect yellow in the world for me
Pretty sure not, because it is too different apparantly and too timeconsuming to do compared to regular paintjobs. However fobodfather himself did say at one point that the paint on one of the Bumblebee concepts was called "sunrise" and is made by Valspar, so I'm planning to getting that when I have the money.
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The Bumblee paint is available, if GM doesn't offer it it could be applied aftermarket if you're so inclined

Valspar Automotive finishes, code PBC30 -- Sunrise Yellow
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Regarding the paint condition on the new Camaro, I plan on doing the following once my car arrives;

1. Ask the dealer not to remove the plastic, etc., before I take a look at the car/paint. To avoid any issue's over any possible "defects" in the paint, I'll allow them to hand wash the vehicle, and be present if possible.

2. I'll most likely bring the car home and go over it with a "fine tooth comb" to ensure the quailty and condition of the interior and exterior. And I'll probably wash it again myself.

3. Depending on the "build date" of the car (to determine the age of the paint) I'll determine if the paint has cured enough before going through the "Zaino process".

I've followed this process with my SS with alot of success.
Many times I'm asked if the car has received a professional repaint, and people are surprised to hear the paint is factory original.

Totally forgot about Zaino. If you follow the process really well it will pretty much kill overspray, orange peel, and swirls. But you have to follow it to a T. That includes using US made 100% Cotton towels and all the nit picking stuff.
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Totally forgot about Zaino. If you follow the process really well it will pretty much kill overspray, orange peel, and swirls. But you have to follow it to a T. That includes using US made 100% Cotton towels and all the nit picking stuff.
Any clay bar used properly will take care of overspray.

regarding orange peel - the only way to fix that is sanding the finish, no liquid product will correct that.

Swirls and a mirror like finish, many products will accomplish this. I just prefer Zaino as well
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All I can say is, I pray to the engineering gods that there were some lessons learned, shannon six sigma, and taguchi tools used with the 04-06 GTO-my gosh the paint was thin and crappy on those cars to keep that from happening on the Camaro thing going on.
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Regarding the paint condition on the new Camaro, I plan on doing the following once my car arrives;

1. Ask the dealer not to remove the plastic, etc., before I take a look at the car/paint. To avoid any issue's over any possible "defects" in the paint, I'll allow them to hand wash the vehicle, and be present if possible.

2. I'll most likely bring the car home and go over it with a "fine tooth comb" to ensure the quailty and condition of the interior and exterior. And I'll probably wash it again myself.

3. Depending on the "build date" of the car (to determine the age of the paint) I'll determine if the paint has cured enough before going through the "Zaino process".

I've followed this process with my SS with alot of success.
Many times I'm asked if the car has received a professional repaint, and people are surprised to hear the paint is factory original.
Called Sal at Zaino. Zaino was formulated to be used on NEW paint and curing is not necessary. Zaino is a breathable polymer.
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I was reading the thread about breaking in the engine and it made me think, don't know why though. I have bought bought 2 brand new vehicles from GM now. The paint on both vehicles were acceptable for a factory job. The s-10 had some bad orange peel especialy on the roof. I don't expect GM to do anything special with the paint on the camaro, so I think its safe to assume the paint will be less than show quality. What can be done to get the best out of a factory paint job? I've done the whole wet-sand, cut, buff, wax thing before. Would it be beneficial to spray on additional clear coat? What do you guys think?
I'm a big fan of Zaino products and so are many of my co-workers. When I get my Camaro like I have done on other cars, I wash it with Dawn to remove wax and grease. Use the Zaino clay bar as directed. Followed by their polish. Check out www.zainostore.com for a complete list of their products. The finish will be smooth as glass.
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I just started using Zaino on my 4th gen. I've had people pull me over on the highway just to look at the paint. In fact, that happened just last weekend. A guy blew past me in a silver Z28 then slowed down and stayed in front of me. After about 30 miles he pulled over and motioned for me to stop. He got out and walked back and complimented me on the paint(IBM). He said he just had to see it closeup because it looked awesome with the sun reflecting off of it as we cruised through the turns. I only have 3 coats on it so far and its been on there since the second week of November.
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Pretty sure not, because it is too different apparantly and too timeconsuming to do compared to regular paintjobs. However fobodfather himself did say at one point that the paint on one of the Bumblebee concepts was called "sunrise" and is made by Valspar, so I'm planning to getting that when I have the money.
Actually the red jewel tintcoat is 3 stage, thats why it costs extra.
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Sunrise isn't a three stage paint. PBC stands for Pearl Base Coat and it is just that, a base coat/clear coat. It will give you a brighter color over white but this still doesn't make it a tricoat.

Orange peal IS found in factory paint but not acceptable in the custom paint world.

Hope this clears things up. There is alot of wrong information about paint going around these forums.
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Ok I am going to buy some Zaino stuff soon to test out on my current vehicles so I know what I am doing by the time the Camaro comes. I know pretty much nothing about car washing so just wanted to make sure I was getting the right stuff. Was planning on getting the Claybar, Z-7 car wash, and Z-2 polish w/ ZFX. Then of course the appropriate applicators. This seems to be the basic stuff, which is what I am looking for. Thanks in advance!
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Ok I am going to buy some Zaino stuff soon to test out on my current vehicles so I know what I am doing by the time the Camaro comes. I know pretty much nothing about car washing so just wanted to make sure I was getting the right stuff. Was planning on getting the Claybar, Z-7 car wash, and Z-2 polish w/ ZFX. Then of course the appropriate applicators. This seems to be the basic stuff, which is what I am looking for. Thanks in advance!
If you have a DARK colored car you would want to use Z-5 instead of Z-2..
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I get my towels for polishing from this place
http://www.dftowel.com/ordertowels.html

and a tutorial for washing a car.has some good pointers in there
http://www.dftowel.com/video.html




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