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Old 08-15-2013, 08:34 PM   #1
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Accident...side curtain airbags didn't deploy

What do you guys think, should the side curtain have deployed...was hit by a hummer no airbag deployment waiting to go get my wife from the hospital. My kids were in the back with their child seats and we (except for my wife) seem to be ok.
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Old 08-15-2013, 08:40 PM   #2
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WOW I'm really sorry about the accident. I hope everything is ok with your wife I am glad everyone else is ok.

It hard to explain the whole airbag thing as of right now I'm in the same boat. I just go it all the way down the side of my car and no air bags but we were outside the car.

Keep us updated on if your wife is ok!
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Old 08-15-2013, 08:53 PM   #3
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I'm glad to hear you and your kids are OK. At first glance I would sure think the side curtain air bag would have gone off. If I understand your post correctly it sounds like no one was in the front passenger seat. There is a sensor in the seat that will prevent the passenger side front air bag from going off and maybe the side air bag is tied to the sensor as well? I would still think it would go off to protect back seat passengers.
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Old 08-15-2013, 08:56 PM   #4
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I'm glad to hear you and your kids are OK. At first glance I would sure think the side curtain air bag would have gone off. If I understand your post correctly it sounds like no one was in the front passenger seat. There is a sensor in the seat that will prevent the passenger side front air bag from going off and maybe the side air bag is tied to the sensor as well? I would still think it would go off to protect back seat passengers.
I'm reading his wife was sitting right front but I agree it isn't clear..
Air bag algorithms are complex and require a lot input from different sensors before deployment. Maybe the airbag God didn't think it was necessary, cheaper to fix the car now.
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Old 08-15-2013, 08:57 PM   #5
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Looks like a side swipe, it probably takes a more direct side hit to deploy the side airbags. Was it a sideswipe?
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Old 08-15-2013, 09:01 PM   #6
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I'm thinking side bags will only go off along with the front...dunno....frontal impacts set off the sides as well, but don't think only the sides will go off...just my guess...
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From the NHTSA website:

Airbags are designed to deploy only when they might be needed to prevent serious injury. In order for airbags to be effective they must deploy early in a crash; this typically occurs within the first 50 milliseconds (0.05 seconds) in a frontal crash and within the first 20 milliseconds (0.02 seconds) in a side crash. A vehicle's airbag control module relies on feedback from sensors to predict whether a crash is severe enough to warrant airbag deployment.

Frontal airbags: Frontal airbags are designed to inflate in moderate to severe frontal crashes. Among airbags with advanced features that include a safety belt sensor, there are different inflation thresholds depending on whether people are using safety belts. One threshold used by airbag designers is "must deploy," which includes a situation such as an impact into a rigid wall at 10-12 mph if occupants are unbelted. The "must deploy" threshold is slightly higher — about 16 mph — for belted occupants because the belts alone are likely to provide adequate protection up to these moderate speeds. Frontal airbags may deploy to help protect occupants in side impacts if there is sufficient forward deceleration during the crash. If a vehicle is moving forward at the time of a side impact, frontal airbags can help prevent serious injuries.

Advanced airbags compliant with government crash performance standards have been required in all passenger vehicles since model year 2007. Advanced airbags are designed to suppress deployment or alter deployment characteristics to reduce the risk of injury by the airbag if weight sensors in the seat detect that a front-seat passenger is small or in a child safety seat. Advanced airbags also can deploy at a lower energy level or pressure when passengers are small or out of position, or if the crash is of very low severity.

Side airbags: Because of the small space between an occupant and the side of the vehicle, side airbags must deploy very quickly to cushion occupants from intruding vehicles or objects. Some airbags typically deploy within the first 10-20 milliseconds of a side crash. "Must deploy" thresholds can be as low as 8 mph for narrow object crashes (e.g., trees and poles) and 18 mph for the more distributed side crashes (vehicle-to-vehicle crashes). Several auto manufacturers deploy the side airbags in frontal crashes to help control occupant movement during the rebound phase of a crash.
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Old 08-15-2013, 09:16 PM   #8
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Should have Deployed thats severe damage and easily could have prevented serious injurys from occuring.

This makes me think twice about the car's safety from a side impact.
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Old 08-15-2013, 09:27 PM   #9
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Just noticed the induced damage above the B-pillar. Lots of damage there. Heal your family first and then let us know what the estimate is.
I would not drive it the way it sits.
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Old 08-15-2013, 09:36 PM   #10
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From the NHTSA website:

Airbags are designed to deploy only when they might be needed to prevent serious injury. In order for airbags to be effective they must deploy early in a crash; this typically occurs within the first 50 milliseconds (0.05 seconds) in a frontal crash and within the first 20 milliseconds (0.02 seconds) in a side crash. A vehicle's airbag control module relies on feedback from sensors to predict whether a crash is severe enough to warrant airbag deployment.

Frontal airbags: Frontal airbags are designed to inflate in moderate to severe frontal crashes. Among airbags with advanced features that include a safety belt sensor, there are different inflation thresholds depending on whether people are using safety belts. One threshold used by airbag designers is "must deploy," which includes a situation such as an impact into a rigid wall at 10-12 mph if occupants are unbelted. The "must deploy" threshold is slightly higher — about 16 mph — for belted occupants because the belts alone are likely to provide adequate protection up to these moderate speeds. Frontal airbags may deploy to help protect occupants in side impacts if there is sufficient forward deceleration during the crash. If a vehicle is moving forward at the time of a side impact, frontal airbags can help prevent serious injuries.

Advanced airbags compliant with government crash performance standards have been required in all passenger vehicles since model year 2007. Advanced airbags are designed to suppress deployment or alter deployment characteristics to reduce the risk of injury by the airbag if weight sensors in the seat detect that a front-seat passenger is small or in a child safety seat. Advanced airbags also can deploy at a lower energy level or pressure when passengers are small or out of position, or if the crash is of very low severity.

Side airbags: Because of the small space between an occupant and the side of the vehicle, side airbags must deploy very quickly to cushion occupants from intruding vehicles or objects. Some airbags typically deploy within the first 10-20 milliseconds of a side crash. "Must deploy" thresholds can be as low as 8 mph for narrow object crashes (e.g., trees and poles) and 18 mph for the more distributed side crashes (vehicle-to-vehicle crashes). Several auto manufacturers deploy the side airbags in frontal crashes to help control occupant movement during the rebound phase of a crash.
Long story short, the airbags should've deployed. I hope your family is okay.
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Old 08-15-2013, 09:38 PM   #11
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Side airbags only deploy when your drifting sideways in a Camaro in a wide open parking lot with no chance of hitting anything so they can charge you crazy amounts of money to replace them....foolish boy...thinking they were there to protect you....
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Old 08-15-2013, 10:18 PM   #12
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You may have a case for a lawsuit. Give it some thought.
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Old 08-15-2013, 10:43 PM   #13
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Thx everyone! My wife was in the passenger seat...we all were buckled and kids were in child restraints. I was driving at about 20 mph...she was at a stop and maybe hit me at about 10 mph...she then drove into the car and pushed us to the side of the road, maybe another 7 feet.
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Old 08-15-2013, 10:46 PM   #14
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10mph into that portion of the car might be borderline on the side airbags going off. Looks like the force distributed pretty well across the side, might not have been enough.

I hope everyone is ok and recovers 100%.
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Old 08-15-2013, 11:06 PM   #15
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That's a scary set of pictures. Hope your wife is ok too!

The side sensor on each side of the car is located near the floorboard in the area between the gill slits and the front door jamb. That other vehicle just about hit it directly. With that kind of damage, the impact location, and description you gave, I don't know why the side curtains or side seat bags didn't deploy.

I had the side curtain bags deploy without an impact because the computer algorithm predicted a rollover - but that's another thread altogether.

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Old 08-15-2013, 11:10 PM   #16
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Hope your wife will be ok. Was the Hummer driver distracted by using the phone?

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Old 08-15-2013, 11:26 PM   #17
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Glad to hear that you and your family are OK. Sorry to see the damage to the car. I hope they can get it fixed and have you back on the road soon!
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Old 08-15-2013, 11:43 PM   #18
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I am glad you & the kids were not hurt & hope you wife turns out to be okay or just minor injuries that heal quickly. I hope your Camaro gets fixed up good as new really soon. I am interested to hear more about whether or not the air bags should have deployed. It sure does look like they should have just from a casual observers viewpoint.
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Old 08-16-2013, 12:09 AM   #19
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You may have a case for a lawsuit. Give it some thought.


This is what's wrong with this country- this individual had no information about the incident yet; no direction or speed of travel, angle of impact, etc. The OP posted this after! However, he automatically jumps to the conclusion of sue! If you want to know why we can't have t-tops on our Camaros, it's because people like this would sue if the side curtains did in fact go off and cause the tops to break and send glass on the occupants. Screwed either way- sue, sue, sue! Check the facts on the operation of the equipment and the circumstances of the incident before dragging a company's name through the mud. People like you my friend have ruined many things in life for the rest of us.

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To the OP, hope your family is okay! I gave up my C6 for my SS so that I could take my newborn son to child care (here in Commiefornia, it is illegal to place any child in a carseat, in the front seat of a vehicle, regardless of whether that vehicle has a backseat or not), so this is a little alarming. God bless and good luck!

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I'd refrain from posting in case
lawyers get involved. Best wishes!
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maybe hit me at about 10 mph...she then drove into the car and pushed us to the side of the road, maybe another 7 feet.
10 mph is not enough for the side air bags to go off. It requires more force than was exerted or a sudden change in side to side movement to set them off. Now if she hit you going 20 mph then yes it would have went off.

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Long story short, the airbags should've deployed. I hope your family is okay.
Read this part again. "18 mph for the more distributed side crashes (vehicle-to-vehicle crashes)."
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Old 08-16-2013, 06:18 AM   #22
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Was the passenger window up or down? If down the side airbag would have had nothing to press against when it inflated to protect her. That may be why it did not go off.
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I wouldn't think side bags would deploy at 10 mph. That's a lot of damage but I'd guess a good bit of it came during the "pushed us to the side of the road, maybe another 7 feet" phase.

I'm guessing the Hummer driver had no sense of what was going on around her... idiot!
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lawyers get involved. Best wishes!
I am not sue happy and just want to know if the bags should have deployed. The story is not being exaggerated or embellished. I will talk to Chevy about it but in the long run I still feel proud to own this car and feel it was built like a tank. I drove my car home, the hummer had to be towed by a flat bed. That's gotta say something for the car....now I just hope it can be fixed...I don't want a different car, I want MY car.


And yes, the Windows were down, but the collision caused the glass to get through the door and onto the kids. Sunroof was open, did not shatter.
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Glad to hear that you and your kids are okay, and hopefully your wife will be back to okay and healed up. Take care of your family and keep us posted with the repairs on the car.
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