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Old 07-08-2009, 02:48 AM   #1
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Stripes - CAN'T handle BLACK MATTE

Dealer just installed my stripes (which I thought were GLOSS from factory), and I can't stand them. So I paid $450 for these stripes that I'm removing :(. The installer did a perfect job on the install too. Now I have to re hire him to put on my new $300 Gloss stripes. Costly mistake on me.
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Old 07-08-2009, 08:24 AM   #2
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You probably could have had them painted on $750.00, or close to that.
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Old 07-08-2009, 11:59 AM   #4
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always get painted stripes, They look 800 times better, sorry for your money loss
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Old 07-08-2009, 12:11 PM   #5
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always get painted stripes, They look 800 times better, sorry for your money loss
Painted stripes are the only way to go. Sorry for your monetary loss.
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Old 07-08-2009, 12:41 PM   #6
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Do the hockey stripes look bad in matte black too?
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Old 07-08-2009, 01:02 PM   #7
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hood and hockey are satin black.......... not matte big difference.

Gm stripes are higher quality then aftermarkets that i have seen first hand

why would you blow 500 bucks b4 reading the description?????????

i suggest read b4 u order things, it will save u money in the future as well
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why would you blow 500 bucks b4 reading the description?????????

i suggest read b4 u order things, it will save u money in the future as well
Is that really necessary? The guy already knows he blew it.
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Do the hockey stripes look bad in matte black too?
This is only one mans opinion friend, I'm sure many people love their Matte stripes. I just dont like the fact that I have this brand new shinny car, and the stipes are dull and flat.
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always get painted stripes, They look 800 times better, sorry for your money loss
Yes I'm sure they look better painted.. but check this out from the site I MAY be buying the stripes from.. BS or NOT?


2010 CAMARO RACING STRIPES. THESE STRIPES ARE HIGHER QUALITY THAN THE OEM STRIPES THE MANUFACTURER OFFERS. THESE STRIPES ARE MADE FROM 3M - 7/10 YEAR HIGH PERFOMANCE OUTDOOR VINYL. DO NOT GET FOOLED BY THE OTHERS. WE ARE A FULL SERVICE SIGN COMPANY THAT HAS BEEN IN BUSINESS SINCE 1993 AND HAVE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN MANUFACTURING AND INSTALLING FULL VEHICLE WRAPS & GRAPHICS. WE ARE NOW EXTENDING TO THE EBAY MARKET. WE DO NOT ORDER FROM A WHOLESALE SUPPLIER AND DROP SHIP TO YOU. WE MAKE EVERYTHING IN HOUSE WHEN ORDERED AND SHIP NEXT DAY AFTER PAYMENT IS RECEIVED. YOU CAN ORDER THE STANDARD FACTORY COLORS OF BLACK, ORANGE, SILVER, GRAY, & WHITE ; OR CHOOSE FROM ONE OF THE COLORS BELOW. EVERY KIT INLCUDES STRIPES FOR THE HOOD, TRUNK, & REAR FIN.
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3m 220 series? 180 series?
7720 series?
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Yes I'm sure they look better painted.. but check this out from the site I MAY be buying the stripes from.. BS or NOT?


2010 CAMARO RACING STRIPES. THESE STRIPES ARE HIGHER QUALITY THAN THE OEM STRIPES THE MANUFACTURER OFFERS. THESE STRIPES ARE MADE FROM 3M - 7/10 YEAR HIGH PERFOMANCE OUTDOOR VINYL. DO NOT GET FOOLED BY THE OTHERS. WE ARE A FULL SERVICE SIGN COMPANY THAT HAS BEEN IN BUSINESS SINCE 1993 AND HAVE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN MANUFACTURING AND INSTALLING FULL VEHICLE WRAPS & GRAPHICS. WE ARE NOW EXTENDING TO THE EBAY MARKET. WE DO NOT ORDER FROM A WHOLESALE SUPPLIER AND DROP SHIP TO YOU. WE MAKE EVERYTHING IN HOUSE WHEN ORDERED AND SHIP NEXT DAY AFTER PAYMENT IS RECEIVED. YOU CAN ORDER THE STANDARD FACTORY COLORS OF BLACK, ORANGE, SILVER, GRAY, & WHITE ; OR CHOOSE FROM ONE OF THE COLORS BELOW. EVERY KIT INLCUDES STRIPES FOR THE HOOD, TRUNK, & REAR FIN.
IMHO, getting the stripes painted on is the only way to go.
As far as the description you have here. Be careful and read it a couple of times. First they say the product is made by 3M, then they say the product is made in-house when ordered? Kind of weird? Make sure you do some research first. GOOD LUCK!
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Old 07-08-2009, 02:22 PM   #13
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Dealer just installed my stripes (which I thought were GLOSS from factory), and I can't stand them. So I paid $450 for these stripes that I'm removing :(. The installer did a perfect job on the install too. Now I have to re hire him to put on my new $300 Gloss stripes. Costly mistake on me.
I feel your pain on this one. This is the same as getting a ticket for doing something stupid that you could have avoided and having to spend a couple hundred and even more on insurance premiums.. Ultimately at least with this mistake, you forget about it and move on.. And all of you here wanting to kick a man when he's down, no need to do that as he feels bad enough and knows he screwed up..
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Old 07-08-2009, 04:26 PM   #14
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3m 220 series? 180 series?
7720 series?
I emailed the vendor and asked him.. Which one do I want it to be? He said they were 3M scotchcal 220

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Old 07-08-2009, 04:36 PM   #15
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i like vinyl as you can change them if you want a new look down the road.
, and higher grade than OEM is quite possible but beware of the " warranty"
with dealer installed ones at least you know your covered for those first 3 years i believe.

with ebay ones or vendor ones they prob wont honor any manufactur claims.

either way with a good install and a good wax they should list 10+ years no prob
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I dont like it bro sounds bootleg, Im still sticking with the paint and clear, makes the car look more "official" but hey a camaro is "OFFICIAL"
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3m 220 series is indeed automotive grade premium cast vinyl. it is on a wax paper backing.
7720 is same vinyl on a clear synthetic liner, so the adhesive is perfectly flat, which is way harder to install without bubbles.
180 is same material with air channels built into the adhesive, so a rookie can install without bubbles. 180 has a cross-hatch pattern in it, but it is a dream to remove down the road.

tones2SS....a shop will buy the roll, and they have to manufature 3M's material into stripes. it doesnt magically come out of an oven looking like it'll fit a camaro hood!

i would love a chev rep chime in and say exactly what they are using. i have a suspicion GFX (which uses avery premium), is working on them. just a guess.
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3m 220 series is indeed automotive grade premium cast vinyl. it is on a wax paper backing.
7720 is same vinyl on a clear synthetic liner, so the adhesive is perfectly flat, which is way harder to install without bubbles.
180 is same material with air channels built into the adhesive, so a rookie can install without bubbles. 180 has a cross-hatch pattern in it, but it is a dream to remove down the road.

tones2SS....a shop will buy the roll, and they have to manufature 3M's material into stripes. it doesnt magically come out of an oven looking like it'll fit a camaro hood!

i would love a chev rep chime in and say exactly what they are using. i have a suspicion GFX (which uses avery premium), is working on them. just a guess.

Wow thanks for that info, very informative.
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IMHO, getting the stripes painted on is the only way to go.
As far as the description you have here. Be careful and read it a couple of times. First they say the product is made by 3M, then they say the product is made in-house when ordered? Kind of weird? Make sure you do some research first. GOOD LUCK!
I have to step in here because I also work in the graphics industry.

1. "They say the product is made by 3M" meaning the vinyl used to create your graphic is a 3M product and IMO 3M makes the best product on the market for vehicle graphics.

2. "They say the product is made in house" meaning they then take the '3M vinyl' and digitally print or cut your graphics from it.

We've been in the business since 1989 and we've found that 3M is always the way to go. We also have some of the best installers in the industry and have been doing graphics for the local dealers in and around the Oshawa area and GM itself for about as long as we've been open (including the giant vehicle on the front of the Canadian GM Headquaters.)

if you have any questions regarding vinyl graphics please feel free to ask here or over at getwrapped.ca

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I emailed the vendor and asked him.. Which one do I want it to be? He said they were 3M scotchcal 220
you want the scotchcal 220. if you're going with the metallic colors, you want them to laminate it as well.. metallic does not fade nicely as it wears over the years.
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you want the scotchcal 220. if you're going with the metallic colors, you want them to laminate it as well.. metallic does not fade nicely as it wears over the years.
sheesh, thanks for stepping in here.. I'm looking at two vendors one has the 3m 220 they said they'll sell them to me for $250.00.. and the other has Premium Cast Avery Dennison 2 mil 8 Year Vinyl for $158.00 (sale price) . In your expert opinion, which way do I go? Or can you offer something better or of same quality around same price?

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sheesh, thanks for stepping in here.. I'm looking at two vendors one has the 3m 220 they said they'll sell them to me for $250.00.. and the other has Premium Cast Avery Dennison 2 mil 8 Year Vinyl for $158.00 (sale price) . In your expert opinion, which way do I go? Or can you offer something better or of same quality around same price?
Hey Sav1, both are good in there own ways. The Avery will have a little better sheen to them, whereas the 3m will last longer and not degrade. This is helpful if you ever wanted to update the look down the road. 3m is known to have the better product.
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Hey Sav1, both are good in there own ways. The Avery will have a little better sheen to them, whereas the 3m will last longer and not degrade. This is helpful if you ever wanted to update the look down the road. 3m is known to have the better product.
Thanks man, I'm going to buy the Avery, I want a good gloss, and I may change it up after 2 years anyways.
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Thanks man, I'm going to buy the Avery, I want a good gloss, and I may change it up after 2 years anyways.
Cool.. just make sure you see some examples of their work before letting them stripe your car.
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Cool.. just make sure you see some examples of their work before letting them stripe your car.
ahhaha, ya I have an example ON MY car now.. THE BLACK MATTE LOL.. He did a fantastic job on install, i just hate the matte black..
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