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Old 08-20-2013, 09:37 AM   #26
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Depends on what you want. If you want 500rwhp and leave it there, ok. If you want 600+ or more power later, there are better options. Even for just 500hp I think there are better options.
I'm putting 700+ RWHP on my Maggie without any hiccups....Couldn't be happier.
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You should post a price break down of what you had to do for 700rwhp with the Maggie. Stock L99 automatic car made 680rwhp with TT kit, no other mods through the auto. Manual would have been 700+. Interest to see what it takes to get a Maggie to make the same power the $7500 TT kit makes.
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You should post a price break down of what you had to do for 700rwhp with the Maggie. Stock L99 automatic car made 680rwhp with TT kit, no other mods through the auto. Manual would have been 700+. Interest to see what it takes to get a Maggie to make the same power the $7500 TT kit makes.

I've got a little over $100K in the car, but that's not all engine obviously. But I stopped counting a long time ago to keep me from getting sick
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That's off the top of my head without pulling my build sheet, I'm sure I forgot some stuff. But I've tried to make it as bullet proof as possible without anything breaking.
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That is my point though, if you add all your power mods to make 700rwhp (blower, headers, 8 rib, tensioner, heads, cam, meth, cai) you spent a lot more than just doing turbos. In fact it is probably double.
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That is my point though, if you add all your power mods to make 700rwhp (blower, headers, 8 rib, tensioner, heads, cam, meth, cai) you spent a lot more than just doing turbos. In fact it is probably double.
I'm sure, more like triple, but a lot of those things included were to make it as bulletproof as possible. You throw a TT system in a stock Camaro and you'll start breaking stuff real quick.
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I was talking just power mods, not including the stuff like clutch/rearend/etc. Either way you need that stuff. If you just add up the stuff I listed it is $15k+ without labor.
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The question you need to ask youself and be honest is what performance level do you want. 500 rwhp, could not be easier with the Maggie. 600 rwhp, pretty easy to do but will need some accessary items. 650 rwhp, getting more spendy, fuel upgrades, injector upgrades, belt kit upgrades and probably cam.

700 rwhp, even more $$.

So, the real question is where do you want your car to be. If you want much more then 650 rwhp and do not want to pay for all the accessary items needed for the Maggie, you may want to go with one of the centri blowers or a larger PD such as a Whipple, or as mentioned a turbo system but if you do want much more then this level of power, your going to be spending a lot more then just a blower or turbo if you want long term engine life.
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It all depends on what the ops goals are. Any big HP build is going to be big $$$$$ . We are all junkies. It's not a good idea to total everything up. Lol
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It's only money. Who keeps track of it anyway? Get whatever blower you want to get.
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Old 08-21-2013, 01:53 AM   #36
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$7500 for a magnacharger
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$450 for bigger injectors
$90 for smaller pulley

Now you make 600rwhp. Or bolt on a TT kit for $7500, set it to 7-8psi make 600rwhp. More torque, more top end, no heat soak issues, and can turn it up later when you want.
Not true, the Maggie kit comes with 52# injectors. You can easily make 520rwhp on an LS3 with stock manifolds, a good catback and a CAI. No BAP needed, no headers needed, no OD cogs needed, no pulley down needed for that power level.
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not one edlebrock eforce guy going to chime up? saw a vette at the track here in okc put out some low 11's with bolt ons and the edlebrock kit in a 3k+ da. sold me on the kit. i know i will never weigh as much as one of those little cars though.
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Not true, the Maggie kit comes with 52# injectors. You can easily make 520rwhp on an LS3 with stock manifolds, a good catback and a CAI. No BAP needed, no headers needed, no OD cogs needed, no pulley down needed for that power level.
Ok, you can make 520, now what do you need to make 600? 650? 700? I said 600rwhp, not 520.
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Why do you continue to harp on TT set-up? They will produce more power no doubt....BUT I haven't seen a kit yet that is in the price ranges that you talk about that is a straight bolt up and go WITHOUT having issues. Recently the systems are better and it may be possible, but with the Maggie you get PURE RELIABILITY and not worrying about a turbo going out, oil leaks (as much), exhaust leaks, more heat under the hood and a few others.
Now if you don't mind some of that and want all out power...well TT is good or maybe even better is a Centri blower..not as efficient but power is power.

I am at 650-680 with my Maggie around 10-11 psi, cam, headers, CIA, different injectors, dual fuel pumps.
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Not to mention you don't need to service your Maggie until 80,000 miles.
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Why do you continue to harp on TT set-up? They will produce more power no doubt....BUT I haven't seen a kit yet that is in the price ranges that you talk about that is a straight bolt up and go WITHOUT having issues. Recently the systems are better and it may be possible, but with the Maggie you get PURE RELIABILITY and not worrying about a turbo going out, oil leaks (as much), exhaust leaks, more heat under the hood and a few others.
Now if you don't mind some of that and want all out power...well TT is good or maybe even better is a Centri blower..not as efficient but power is power.

I am at 650-680 with my Maggie around 10-11 psi, cam, headers, CIA, different injectors, dual fuel pumps.

Keep looking then. Kit my friend has on his car has been on for 2 years and not a single issue. Turbos are OEM quality along with cast adapters/etc. No service or special care needed. Plenty of the turbos on the kit are running 200k+ miles without issues.

I know of two locals alone this week that are pulling the magnachargers off to get the rear jackshaft seal/bearing replaced because they failed within 20k.
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Keep looking then. Kit my friend has on his car has been on for 2 years and not a single issue. Turbos are OEM quality along with cast adapters/etc. No service or special care needed. Plenty of the turbos on the kit are running 200k+ miles without issues.

I know of two locals alone this week that are pulling the magnachargers off to get the rear jackshaft seal/bearing replaced because they failed within 20k.
What kind of times does your buddy pull with that turbo kit? 60ft?
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Keep looking then. Kit my friend has on his car has been on for 2 years and not a single issue. Turbos are OEM quality along with cast adapters/etc. No service or special care needed. Plenty of the turbos on the kit are running 200k+ miles without issues.

I know of two locals alone this week that are pulling the magnachargers off to get the rear jackshaft seal/bearing replaced because they failed within 20k.
I didn't say NONE I said most until recently, sure there are some out there that never had an issue but most have had MAJOR issues. I would ask you to compare the numbers sold on a Maggie vs. numbers sold on turbo kits and then compare % of failures/issues....turbo numbers are far less sold and many more issues.
Like I said the new turbo kits are getting the fitments better and less issues. But for the $7500-8500 I'll take a Maggie and 600 rwhp l'll take a Maggie reliability all day long.
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I did...lol hopefully on the phone with you ordering a Maggie,
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What kind of times does your buddy pull with that turbo kit? 60ft?
Street car with street tires. Probably not that good. How a person sets up a car for drag racing will have more effect on that than the choice of power adder.

As for reliability, I know my friends have sold THOUSANDs of turbo kits and rarely if ever have failures that aren't install or abuse issues. There is a reason OEMs and the trucking industry, heavy machinery, etc all use turbos. If they weren't reliable they wouldn't be using them. Comparing a poorly designed kit to an OEM quality kit isn't even worth discusses. That is like comparing a garage built kit car made by a weekend warrior to a new camaro from GM.

My one friend with a maggie has had great luck with his in general but I do remember replacing a belt in my garage because it broke, and that wasn't the first time he had to do that. In order to get it to not slip he has to run it so tight that every few thousand miles the belts let go. For a bolt on and go situation they maybe ok, but like that they only make 490-520rwhp. Start adding all the parts, belt drives, tensioners, spinning them to the moon, etc and the reliability of the whole system goes down hill quickly.
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Ok, you can make 520, now what do you need to make 600? 650? 700? I said 600rwhp, not 520.
My wifes '12 vert made 521 rwhp at 180 miles with just a Maggie, cheap CAI and a custom tune. Once it was broken in and she got use to the power I added long tubes, 3.4 pulley and a ZL1 fuel pump, re-tuned it and it made 591 rwhp in 105 degrees and 91 octane. And the tune is conservative, I will be replacing the CAI with a good quality unit in Dec. and will fine tune it somemore in better weather. It will easily make over 600 rwhp.

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Keep looking then. Kit my friend has on his car has been on for 2 years and not a single issue. Turbos are OEM quality along with cast adapters/etc. No service or special care needed. Plenty of the turbos on the kit are running 200k+ miles without issues.

I know of two locals alone this week that are pulling the magnachargers off to get the rear jackshaft seal/bearing replaced because they failed within 20k.
I've got 4 vehicles with Maggies, 10 & 12 Camaro SS's, 07' Escalade, and '01 Silverado with a combined 262k on them and not a single issue. I have installed over 25 5th Gen Camaro Kits and over 100 Maggies in the last 12 years and none of my installs and tunes have ever had an issue. Magnuson doesn't do a lot of warranty repairs since they don't tend to fail. So I call B.S. on your last paragraph. I am heavily entrenched in the Camaro community here in AZ, and your a recent transplant, I know most of the locals running Maggies, and I get calls from most when they have boosted issues since I also seem to have one of the highest mile C5 Maggie equipped cars.

And I feel this thread has been since you got on it, the Op probably said screw this, and I dont blame him.

Shouldn't you be hanging out on a mustang or vette forum?
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The OP did the right thing and went Procharger. I'm with unreal though. I'm a centri fan myself but turbo's are awesome.
I'm not against either, I have a ProCharger on my boat and love it, and for max power, a good twin turbo set up is hard to beat, but on a car that will mainly be a daily driver with a stock bottom end, you cant beat a Maggie. Especially on a heavy car like a Camaro, you need that bottom end power.

I recently did a Procharger on a friends Z06 and I was very impressed, but on all the stock Camaros I've driven the Procharger is lacking a bit to me. Now if you do a bunch of additional mods its a lot better, but just a Maggie is the best bang for the buck.
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My wifes '12 vert made 521 rwhp at 180 miles with just a Maggie, cheap CAI and a custom tune. Once it was broken in and she got use to the power I added long tubes, 3.4 pulley and a ZL1 fuel pump, re-tuned it and it made 591 rwhp in 105 degrees and 91 octane. And the tune is conservative, I will be replacing the CAI with a good quality unit in Dec. and will fine tune it somemore in better weather. It will easily make over 600 rwhp.

$6000.00 Maggie
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$7410.00 total and more reliable and drivable.




I've got 4 vehicles with Maggies, 10 & 12 Camaro SS's, 07' Escalade, and '01 Silverado with a combined 262k on them and not a single issue. I have installed over 25 5th Gen Camaro Kits and over 100 Maggies in the last 12 years and none of my installs and tunes have ever had an issue. Magnuson doesn't do a lot of warranty repairs since they don't tend to fail. So I call B.S. on your last paragraph. I am heavily entrenched in the Camaro community here in AZ, and your a recent transplant, I know most of the locals running Maggies, and I get calls from most when they have boosted issues since I also seem to have one of the highest mile C5 Maggie equipped cars.

And I feel this thread has been since you got on it, the Op probably said screw this, and I dont blame him.

Shouldn't you be hanging out on a mustang or vette forum?
Talk to Nic D, his is getting pulled off his G8 to get sent back. My friend Lyle with an SLP585 also is having his pulled and sent back for warranty repair.

Car enthusiast should be able to post where ever they want. This is why the local camaro club is so bad, they are a bunch of elitest stuck up people that drive off the real car enthusiast.

More reliable and more driveable? Says who? Your making stuff up at that point. For $7500 you can have a TT kit that would destroy that maggie car in any speed competition and have plenty of room to grow, more torque, and drives just like stock. Kevin's car made 680rwhp through an auto with no other mods on 91 octane in 110+ heat. I've driven plenty of maggie cars, tuned them. I've also driven a TT car and to say it drives better is the understatement of the year.
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