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Old 07-08-2009, 04:42 PM   #1
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LS3 Camaro vs LS2 GTO

Alright well I've been a lurker on the forum for awhile know quite a bit about the new camaro like most of you....anyways my question today is how much faster and how much more power does the almighty "Camero" have over the 05-06 GTO. Comparing the manual in both cars. As far as the look of the car well we all know that the Camaro takes the cake by 1000x. As far as speed lets do some chatting....

Lets get these numbers straight:

-Weight of both cars
-Stock wheel horsepower and torque on a dynojet dyno

From what I've seen the Camaro LS3s are between 355-375whp, and the GTO LS2s are about 340-350whp. Let me know if those numbers are right or not.

The GTOs are definetly lighter, but I'm sure not by much...discuss that as well. As far as the transmissions go, the TR-6060 is way better as well.

But if the GTOs are a bit lighter and put down a bit less whp, then the new camaro really isn't that much better stock vs stock.....

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Alright well I've been a lurker on the forum for awhile know quite a bit about the new camaro like most of you....anyways my question today is how much faster and how much more power does the almighty "Camero" have over the 05-06 GTO. Comparing the manual in both cars. As far as the look of the car well we all know that the Camaro takes the cake by 1000x. As far as speed lets do some chatting....

Lets get these numbers straight:

-Weight of both cars
-Stock wheel horsepower and torque on a dynojet dyno

From what I've seen the Camaro LS3s are between 355-375whp, and the GTO LS2s are about 340-350whp. Let me know if those numbers are right or not.

The GTOs are definetly lighter, but I'm sure not by much...discuss that as well. As far as the transmissions go, the TR-6060 is way better as well.

But if the GTOs are a bit lighter and put down a bit less whp, then the new camaro really isn't that much better stock vs stock.....

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The GTO does have better overall gearing too, don't forget that. At the track, they seem about equal from what has been posted.
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Old 07-08-2009, 08:58 PM   #3
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I think the best way to do a comparison is a drag race. Bench racing won't be enough. We need to see a direct video of the comparison with a scanned slip and a camera at both ends of the track. Until we have this sort of comparison, the only things we can compare are the appearance and efficiency numbers, both of which favor the Camaro.

As far as potential is concerned, both have the capacity to be swapped with other LS-series engines, lending the possibility that both could hit very similar performance goals. If you want to leave the same block under the hood for the comparison, then we will need the cars to run against one another at the track.
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Old 07-08-2009, 09:22 PM   #4
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You have the HP right on the money. As for weight the GTO weighs about 200 pounds less. When mine was bone stock, i ran a 13.16. Not sure what the Camaro runs.
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From the 1/4 mile numbers that I have seen they seem to be pretty close, if not in favor of the GTO but only by 2-4 tenths. Also depends on the driver and transmission.

In the 13 second bracket with my '06 at an all GTO drag day I placed 1st of of 10 mostly due in part to the auto transmission. Punch it and go. And yeah, it was the first time I had ever done something like that prior.

As far as numbers go I ran consistently between 13.1-13.3 (60 degree weather) with a mild tune, CAI, x-pipe(resonator delete) and flowmasters with my best time being 13.02 and worst being a 13.7 (wheel hop)

And a year earlier with the same mods I ran between an average of 13.3-13.4 in 95+ degree weather with probably 105+ degree track temp.

HP #'s my A4 dynoed around 325-330 stock, 345 with the tune and CAI. I can't remember b/c I lost the dyno sheet. The M6 GTO's usually dyno about 15rwhp higher.

EDIT: Also forgot to mention stock tires too. Still had the stock tires on it when I sold it with 20,000 on the odo. 16,000 on the odo with I ran the 13.02

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Old 07-08-2009, 10:02 PM   #6
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I believe it would be a drivers race but the only problem I have never seen one at the drag strip. Plenty of mustangs, a rare challenger or charger but always a couple of gto's.
I am sure its a warranty concern. Perhaps this fall?
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Old 07-08-2009, 11:41 PM   #7
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Hey Evil Twin- Do you know the standard and optional stock gear ratios for manuals and automatics of these cars....

04 GTO
05/06 GTO
93-97 F-body
98-02 F-body
97-04 C5
01-04 C5 Z06
05+ C6
06+ C6 Z06

and possibly...

03/04 Terminator
96-98 Mustang GT
99-04 Mustang GT
03/04 Mustang Mach 1
05+ Mustang GT
07+ Mustang GT500

2006+ Dodge Charger R/T
2006+ Dodge Charger SRT-8
2009+ Dodge Challenger R/T
2009+ Dodge Challenger SRT-8

And all years of the Viper!!

If somebody has a link or something to all of these that would be awesome...or if you're a freak like me and memorize car specs like none other

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Old 07-09-2009, 01:03 AM   #8
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I raced a buddy in an 05 goat from a roll and pulled on him just slightly. Although his car has full exhaust, intake, ported TB and a couple pedders parts. Surprised the hell out of me.
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It should be a drivers race (very close). I would give the Camaro SS a slight advantage in trap speed/top end. This winter we will see what the Camaro SS can really run.
The LS2 GTO's have had several winters to produce fast track times.

From what I've seen, LS2 M6 GTO's usually dyno in the 330-340 rwhp range. The guys that dyno the lower numbers usually don't report it. You usually read about the higher dyno runs. Its actually pretty rare to see a bone stock LS2 GTO dyno 350 rwhp.
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Hey Evil Twin- Do you know the standard and optional stock gear ratios for manuals and automatics of these cars....

04 GTO
05/06 GTO
93-97 F-body........................... 2.66.... 1.78.... 1.33.... 1.0.... .75.... .5
98-02 F-body........................... 2.66.... 1.78.... 1.33.... 1.0.... .75.... .5
97-04 C5
01-04 C5 Z06
05+ C6
06+ C6 Z06

and possibly...

03/04 Terminator...................... 2.66.... 1.78.... 1.33.... 1.0.... .8.... .67
96-98 Mustang GT.................... 3.31.... 2.00.... 1.33.... 1.0.... .63
99-04 Mustang GT
03/04 Mustang Mach 1
05+ Mustang GT
07+ Mustang GT500

2006+ Dodge Charger R/T
2006+ Dodge Charger SRT-8
2009+ Dodge Challenger R/T
2009+ Dodge Challenger SRT-8

And all years of the Viper!!

If somebody has a link or something to all of these that would be awesome...or if you're a freak like me and memorize car specs like none other

Thanks guys!
I filled in the ones I KNOW, but I have all that data at home on my computer.

Also, don't forget to get rear end gear size(s) and tire heights.
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Old 07-09-2009, 10:19 AM   #11
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because of the weight, driver's race. the biggest problem with the GTO imo are the brakes
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Old 07-09-2009, 10:53 AM   #12
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also i know that this is mostly a performance question, but besides brakes, although the interior is nice, the seats don't fold down in the GTO. i'm not sure if they do in the Camaro.
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Old 07-09-2009, 11:50 AM   #13
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Evil Twin- Sorry I meant just the final drive gear ratios in the cars!

So far I found

2004-2006 GTO is 3:46


sorry for the misuse of words before!
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I was talking with a buddy about this the other day, telling him how surprised I was that the GTO vs Camaro angle isn't a slam dunk for the Chevy. Problems for the Chevy?

1: The GTO has much better seats, a higher quality interior, and noticeably more rear seat room.

2: If you intend to mod either the GTO is lighter by a meaningful amount.

3: Acceleration really is pretty similar. Even if the Camaro picks up a couple of tenths over the next couple of months you'll still have cars which are within two or three tenths of another all the way through the 1/4 mile.

Chevy advantages:

1: More distinctive look to say the least

2: Seems to handle a bit better

3: GTO's trunk is an even bigger joke than the Camaros.

That just about covers it. Camaro seems more and more like GTO part duex with retro styling, a cheaper interior, and a broader range of engine and model options.
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the brakes... the brakes in the GTO seem weak for 400HP; everything else i really like about the car. the trunk sucks you are right; it needs fold down seats but the interior is amazing. the seats and interior materials go together so perfectly, and you can change the head unit no problem.
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I was talking with a buddy about this the other day, telling him how surprised I was that the GTO vs Camaro angle isn't a slam dunk for the Chevy. Problems for the Chevy?

1: The GTO has much better seats, a higher quality interior, and noticeably more rear seat room.

2: If you intend to mod either the GTO is lighter by a meaningful amount.

3: Acceleration really is pretty similar. Even if the Camaro picks up a couple of tenths over the next couple of months you'll still have cars which are within two or three tenths of another all the way through the 1/4 mile.

Chevy advantages:

1: More distinctive look to say the least

2: Seems to handle a bit better

3: GTO's trunk is an even bigger joke than the Camaros.

That just about covers it. Camaro seems more and more like GTO part duex with retro styling, a cheaper interior, and a broader range of engine and model options.

Yeah, overall the GTO is a great car. They're very comfortable and come with an excellent interior and good sounding stereo. But the brakes do suck. And its also stuck riding on 235 series tires (18") or 245s (17'') on all four corners. That's one of the major complaints from owners (doesn't fit wider tires without cutting or modifying the car).
And as you mentioned the trunk is tiny.

And the GTO was never much of a looker or attention getter. But thats been part of its appeal (under the radar).
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Old 07-09-2009, 07:44 PM   #18
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Oh i get attention in mine all the time. Not only becaue of the sound but people dont know what it is.
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I've had both as well as a CTS-V so I'll throw in some comparisons.
The interior of the GTO was very nice, but I feel equally comfortable in the Camaro and the radio in the Camaro sounds better in my opinion. The GTO interior did seem to be better quality items though. The GTO and the Camaro feel equally strong stock power wise. I feel much more comfortable in corners with the Camaro than the GTO as I have never ever driven a car like an LS2 GTO that wanted to swap ends faster than you can compensate for. The Camaro seems much more stable. I really wish with the almost 28 inch tall tires on the Camaro they had put in a 3.73 gear ratio. Styling wise the Camaro is easily twice the car as the GTO. The factory wheels on the Camaro are awesome compared to the flower petals they called wheels on the Goat. I really like the visibility with the RS headlights as well as I don't see very well at night, the HID lights are well worth the $$. There seemed to be more room for passengers in the rear seats in the GTO and they were more comfortable, but I don't plan on rear seat riders often (kids). The trunk on the Camaro is bigger and holds two sets of clubs, the GTO's was not big enough.
Comparisons to the CTS-V (05 with LS6 not the LS2).....
The CTS-V feels quicker than both. It has 3.73 gears and short tires so I think it is the gear. The interior is good quality (still think the GTO was a bit better) and the 4 doors really make it easier to carry 4 people. I really like the classy styling of the CTS-V and in the Stealth Grey it is a SUPER sharp car. It handles a bit better than either of the 2 door sedans, but they are all very comparable. I think the instrument cluster looks a bit bland on the CTS-V and wish it had a sportier look and the radio should be touch screen. Cargo and rear space room is very good in the V. The BOSE radio in the CTS-V is the best of all three but the buttons do have a tendancy to wear. Styling wise, while I really like the looks of the V, most other people really have no idea what you are driving and it's potential, while the GTO at least got some looks, and the Camaro makes everyone look (and want to race you, for better or worse)
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Bryan...

The radio sounding better in the camaro is prob true... but I can replace mine in the GTO (which I did).

HID's can be bought for $80 and with the GTO's stock projectors, it is a worth while upgrade

And the flower petal wheels were bad, but the optional 18's eventually released are still awesome

and Styling... I like not drawing the attention when I don't want it altho the cam did not help
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Evil Twin- Sorry I meant just the final drive gear ratios in the cars!

So far I found

2004-2006 GTO is 3:46
sorry for the misuse of words before!
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thanks! keep um comin!
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Oh yah:

03/04 Cobra - 3.55

again, don't forget about tire heights too!
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Bryan...

The radio sounding better in the camaro is prob true... but I can replace mine in the GTO (which I did).

HID's can be bought for $80 and with the GTO's stock projectors, it is a worth while upgrade

And the flower petal wheels were bad, but the optional 18's eventually released are still awesome

and Styling... I like not drawing the attention when I don't want it altho the cam did not help
I'm defintely not picking on the GTO. I think it was HIGHLY underrated and I enjoyed mine. I put aftermarket AZA wheels on my GOAT and it really woke the looks of the car up and I really liked the look of the car with those wheels on (I'll have to see if I can find any pictures)
I did like being incognito with the GTO for sure, the Camaro draws a bit too much attention sometimes (everyone thinks they need to race it or rev their engine at you).
I will say though I did not like the narrow tires which we were limited to with the body and how the rear end liked to jump out and would not hook up at the track. That was the main reason I got rid of mine or I would probably still have it. It was a IBM blue with blue interior and think was a super sharp car. I'm not a big audio guy so the radio did not matter, and I was unaware you could buy HID's for it, I really like them.
Here's to fast fun cars while we can still buy them. I feel bad for my kids, they will be comparing which plug in car is better than the other while we are able to compare 400HP factory cars....
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275's with proper wheels and a little fender grinding are no problem to fit in the rear, too bad that is about the limit.

My 255 Mickey ET Street radials have no problems hooking with the stall at the track, we will see how they like the cam + nitrous launch soon
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