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Old 03-20-2014, 01:32 PM   #239
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And here is the Z/28 part picture of the day
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Old 03-20-2014, 01:39 PM   #240
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And here is the Z/28 part picture of the day
That is a beautiful thing!
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Old 03-20-2014, 01:44 PM   #241
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I agree but these Carbon Ceramic Brake Rotors are not really designed for street use and that is what I am talking about. I assure I agree they are great for race cars and track cars but I wouldn't consider them streetable.



Heck my buddy is putting them on his 69 Camaro and if you nick or chip them GM recommend that you discard them. Trust me I've considered putting them on my 70 Camaro project and talking with all of the brake experts they all suggest that it's not a great idea for street use. They are just not durable enough for daily driving abuse.



Just look at the cost of the the ZR1 Rotors at $1,700 each. It just doesn't make sense to have that kind of rotor on the street car. You would be better off getting lighter wheels on the car if your goal is to lower the reciprocating weight.
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Old 03-20-2014, 02:11 PM   #242
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Rear wheel retail price added. Not as bad as expected.
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Old 03-20-2014, 02:13 PM   #243
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Rear wheel retail price added. Not as bad as expected.
I agree and it's a great looking wheel.
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Old 03-20-2014, 06:40 PM   #244
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And here is the Z/28 part picture of the day
Where can I get those?
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Old 03-21-2014, 11:17 AM   #245
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And here is the Z/28 part picture of the day
So does this mean they can be ordered thru the dealer parts counter now?
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Old 03-21-2014, 11:21 AM   #246
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Yes kind of
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Old 03-21-2014, 11:26 AM   #247
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How much was the strut?
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Old 03-21-2014, 12:09 PM   #248
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That's interesting.

I've tracked multiple PCCB and CSC brake equipped cars. I've also installed and assisted in developing application specific ceramic kits for a European, F1 technology partner, supplier of brake systems.

Calipers, brake master cylinder, brake lines, proportioning valve are identical between CSC/PCCB and iron brake systems. The Z/28 does not have a cockpit adjustable brake bias.

You suggest installing a ZL1 brake kit to the Z/28 which completely compromises the lap after lap durability and pedal feel of the ceramics.

I've never experienced compromised braking ability of any ceramic setup when cold, they work fantastic on street under any condition. The reduced rotating mass and unsprung weight contribute benefits to street and track use. The one accurate statement you made is that ceramic rotors do require a specific pad material.

It's important for Z/28 owners and prospective owners to understand they are getting the very best possible braking system, installed as OE, for the intended use of the car. I would not consider buying the Z/28 if it were not equipped with ceramic rotors.
with liability issues the carbon rotors work just fine on the street. There is no issue with them other than when hot they do not fade.
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Old 03-21-2014, 12:11 PM   #249
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How much was the strut?
I don't want to post a price since I'm not a sponsor. See the first page post.
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Old 03-21-2014, 12:14 PM   #250
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I agree but these Carbon Ceramic Brake Rotors are not really designed for street use and that is what I am talking about. I assure I agree they are great for race cars and track cars but I wouldn't consider them streetable.

Heck my buddy Mario is putting them on his 69 Camaro and if you nick or chip them GM recommend that you discard them. Trust me I've considered putting them on my 70 Camaro project and talking with all of the brake experts they all suggest that it's not a great idea for street use. They are just not durable enough for daily driving abuse.

Just look at the cost of the the ZR1 Rotors at $1,700 each. It just doesn't make sense to have that kind of rotor on the street car. You would be better off getting lighter wheels on the car if your goal is to lower the reciprocating weight.
The carbon rotors are very costly. But they work fine on the street. They are the best out there. They are on some corvettes and no issues $1700 for a rotor is nothing compared to a aircraft rotor. That is one reason I am getting a Z28
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Old 03-21-2014, 12:20 PM   #251
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That's interesting.

I've tracked multiple PCCB and CSC brake equipped cars. I've also installed and assisted in developing application specific ceramic kits for a European, F1 technology partner, supplier of brake systems.

Calipers, brake master cylinder, brake lines, proportioning valve are identical between CSC/PCCB and iron brake systems. The Z/28 does not have a cockpit adjustable brake bias.

You suggest installing a ZL1 brake kit to the Z/28 which completely compromises the lap after lap durability and pedal feel of the ceramics.

I've never experienced compromised braking ability of any ceramic setup when cold, they work fantastic on street under any condition. The reduced rotating mass and unsprung weight contribute benefits to street and track use. The one accurate statement you made is that ceramic rotors do require a specific pad material.

It's important for Z/28 owners and prospective owners to understand they are getting the very best possible braking system, installed as OE, for the intended use of the car. I would not consider buying the Z/28 if it were not equipped with ceramic rotors.
Thanks for the informative post!!
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Old 03-21-2014, 01:06 PM   #252
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The carbon rotors are very costly. But they work fine on the street. They are the best out there. They are on some corvettes and no issues $1700 for a rotor is nothing compared to a aircraft rotor. That is one reason I am getting a Z28
I can't imagine what aircraft rotors cost but I have to admit you know have me curious.
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