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Old 06-27-2014, 04:43 AM   #1
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Basic suspension upgrades for 1LE (for track)

Pedders and Pfadt are highly regarded for their great suspension upgrade packages, coilovers, etc. Unfortunately, Pedders USA is being sued by their parent company in Australia, and Pfadt has been bankrupt for a while now.

So, now that both recommended companies are 'out', what are the options for new 1LE owners?
  • Is there any package similar to the Pedders 1LE Permagrin package?
  • Any package for the bushings, etc.? I see packages for Camaros, but they are not specific to 1LE. I would imagine some of those bushings don't need to be replaced for 1LE. I'd also not want to jeopardize my car's handling by throwing whatever I can find at it!
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Old 06-27-2014, 07:26 AM   #2
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Doesn't Apex sell Pfadt stuff now?
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Old 06-27-2014, 09:17 AM   #3
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Just the springs as of right now if I'm not mistaken.
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Old 06-27-2014, 09:37 AM   #4
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The 1LE does have some improved suspension components over the SS, but there is still room for some improvements. These would be my suggestions if you're looking to gain additional handling performance on a new 1LE....

BMR SB039 Sway Bar Package
BMR BK024 Cradle Bushings
BMR BK039 Rear Upper Control Arm Bushings
BMR TCA026 Trailing Arms
BMR BK006 Outer Trailing Arm Bushings
BMR BK018 Front Lower Control Arm Bushings
BMR BK019 Front Radius Rod Bushings
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Old 06-27-2014, 02:37 PM   #5
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The 1LE does have some improved suspension components over the SS, but there is still room for some improvements. These would be my suggestions if you're looking to gain additional handling performance on a new 1LE....

BMR SB039 Sway Bar Package
BMR BK024 Cradle Bushings
BMR BK039 Rear Upper Control Arm Bushings
BMR TCA026 Trailing Arms
BMR BK006 Outer Trailing Arm Bushings
BMR BK018 Front Lower Control Arm Bushings
BMR BK019 Front Radius Rod Bushings
Thanks Keith. A few questions if you don't mind:
  • Could you elaborate on which bushings have little to no effect on NVH, and which ones do have an impact?
  • Why do we need to change the trailing arms? Why not just replace its bushings?
  • Last and most important: This sway bar package has both front and rear bars.
    • While I like the idea of adjustability, most members just change the rears with 32mm and they report perfect balance. Your rear is also 32mm, and I presumes its softest setting (hole 1) is what an unadjustable 32mm would provide; why not just use that?
    • If we go with both sways (and I might if I get good baseline info on recommended settings), what settings of these sways provide neutral behavior on 1LE suspension?
    • I'd love to know what different front/rear settings provide neutral balance on stock springs on 1LE.
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Old 06-28-2014, 09:45 AM   #6
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Whiteline suspension products made the bushings for Pedders so you can still get the front radius arm bushings.

http://www.whitelinesuspensionparts....sp?prod=W83181

I went with BMR for the 31mm adj rear sway bar.

http://bmrsuspension.com/?page=produ...146&superpro=0

One other great mod to do is replace the rear cradle bushings with either solid poly or aluminum. I went with the one's from Whiteline as they are the stiffest currently out there.

http://www.whitelinesuspensionparts....sp?prod=W93193

The radius arm bushings will tighten up the steering feel, very nice, and the rear cradle bushings will eliminate the rear end squirm under power.

Any bushings used to eliminate wheel hop would not be needed on the track as you aren't drag racing.
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Old 06-28-2014, 02:59 PM   #7
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Whiteline suspension products made the bushings for Pedders so you can still get the front radius arm bushings.

http://www.whitelinesuspensionparts....sp?prod=W83181

I went with BMR for the 31mm adj rear sway bar.

http://bmrsuspension.com/?page=produ...146&superpro=0

One other great mod to do is replace the rear cradle bushings with either solid poly or aluminum. I went with the one's from Whiteline as they are the stiffest currently out there.

http://www.whitelinesuspensionparts....sp?prod=W93193

The radius arm bushings will tighten up the steering feel, very nice, and the rear cradle bushings will eliminate the rear end squirm under power.

Any bushings used to eliminate wheel hop would not be needed on the track as you aren't drag racing.
This is a great list; thanks for sharing! I ended up getting the whole set of BMR bushings and sways from Apex yesterday. It appears I indeed won't need some of those bushings for road course track, but hopefully they won't hurt anything, either.

I'm a bit concerned about the BMR sways I got. Even though they're adjustable, I wonder if they will be too stiff, especially if I add coil overs down the road with substantially higher spring rates (8/12 kg/mm). I don't wanna mess with 1LE's good handling traits, either.
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Old 06-28-2014, 03:02 PM   #8
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I have my BMR sways full stiff rear full soft front, no worries
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Old 06-28-2014, 03:22 PM   #9
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I have my BMR sways full stiff rear full soft front, no worries
Do you have coilovers?
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Old 06-28-2014, 03:26 PM   #10
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No, but there is a lot of adjustability there, if you have stiffer springs, you can go softer on the rear bar. May take a bit a adjusting to find the sweet spot your are looking for, but the bars are easy to adjust.

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Do you have coilovers?
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Old 06-28-2014, 09:53 PM   #11
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No, but there is a lot of adjustability there, if you have stiffer springs, you can go softer on the rear bar. May take a bit a adjusting to find the sweet spot your are looking for, but the bars are easy to adjust.
The coilovers usually come with 8/12 kg/mm springs. This is almost 3 times the stock rates, which makes me wonder if these BMR sways would be too stiff along with them.

I'm currently leaning towards thr BC Racing ER series, which I heard is what the Supercar coilovers are based on. I'm worried about mismatched valving that comes with the cheaper coilovers, though. I'll call BC Racing USA and ask if they could provide suspension dyno graphs of each coilover.
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