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Old 11-04-2013, 12:49 PM   #1
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Your Recipe for Turning a 1LE Into a Z/28 Performer

Being cost efficient, what's your ideas for taking a 1LE to Z/28 performing levels?
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Old 11-04-2013, 12:57 PM   #2
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305/19/30 tires pedders supercar coil over pedders hd bushings all of them
Heads and cam or 416 stroker
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Old 11-04-2013, 04:06 PM   #5
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305/19/30 tires pedders supercar coil over pedders hd bushings all of them
Heads and cam or 416 stroker
This. And 6 piston calipers with cobalt frictio
n xr1/xr3 pads
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This. And 6 piston calipers with cobalt frictio
n xr1/xr3 pads
Yes good call forgot about the big ass breaks
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Old 11-04-2013, 06:08 PM   #9
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How ever you slice the pie, even including buying a crate LS7 and selling the pull out motor you'll be a heck of a lot cheaper building up a really close comparo to the Z/28 and upgrade brakes and tires, suspension to what the dealers are going to command for the real thing
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Old 11-04-2013, 06:28 PM   #10
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Pedders Supercar c/o'sL. Mild cam and headers. 19's squared up with some sticky rubber. That would be pretty stout.
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How ever you slice the pie, even including buying a crate LS7 and selling the pull out motor you'll be a heck of a lot cheaper building up a really close comparo to the Z/28 and upgrade brakes and tires, suspension to what the dealers are going to command for the real thing
...and I agree, if you wrench, and get it at net...and not everyone can do that, or absorb the cost of parts failure. Today from the factory we can have our cake and eat it too, not like yesteryear. I wish I could do as you prescribe. I guess I may be jealous to a point where younger guys have the performance world options at their fingertips today as compared to back then, but...the cost factor is astronomical. It's all relative I guess.
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Old 11-05-2013, 06:23 AM   #12
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Being cost efficient, what's your ideas for taking a 1LE to Z/28 performing levels?
Cool idea. Z/28 on a budget.

Here would be my list for a low cost Z/28b (for bargain):

Start with a bare white 1SS with NPP and Recaros only. Really this is still a very well equipped car. (But I love tunes so I also would add BA) Every other option adds weight and is not in the spirit of the Z/28.
  • LT Headers (get the stepped or 2" for extra power)
  • Hiflow Cats
  • CAI
  • CAI Scoop
  • Tune (Skip this and keep your warranty)
  • 18" Wheels - Picking TSW Interlagos (in Black) here, light (< 20 lbs), but fairly inexpensive. You will need to trim the roller skates and notch the knuckle? to get big 18s on the front. No spacers!
  • Michelin Pilot Sports (Biggest square setup that will fit the 18's)
  • A slightly larger rear sway bar
  • Full differential and cradle poly bushings and the few other rear bushings
  • Radius Rod Inserts (Every Camaro should have this)
  • Catch Can
  • Tick clutch line and separate clutch reservoir
  • Upgraded brake lines
  • Better brake fluid
  • Fender hash marks, also on the hood like the 1LE prototype (A must)
  • Plastidip all chrome (very important to set the mood)
  • Tow hook (Another mood setter. Could come in handy, but I hope not)
  • GoPro and suction cup to get good movies of the pretty Z/28 tail lights
  • Candles for those special 1LE occasions.
The SS brakes are really good. Only if you seriously track will you need anything more. Stick with the stock pads. There are some things you can do to shed 100 pounds more, but this gets expensive fast.

I would wager with equal drivers the Z/28b would be able to keep a stock Z/28 in sight on any track. At least for a while.

And finally add a mild cam and real track tires to get even with the Z/28. If you can DIY the cam is not that expensive.
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Old 11-05-2013, 12:02 PM   #13
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You can currently build a 1SS/1LE with Recaros for just under $40k - and in keeping with the Z/28's character this is pretty much the barest-bones 1LE you can build. If we then assume $70k to be the going OTD price for a "real" Z/28, that leaves you with whatever fraction of $30k you care to consider represents cost effectiveness. Don't overlook the possibility of selling off some or all of the parts you replace, which in particular would take some of the financial sting out of an LS-7 swap.

So how far does anybody think that, say, $15k will get them?

I have to admit that I'm looking at this as a DIY effort. But other than getting all the electronics to play nice with each other if you went the LS-7 route I don't see anything in the physical part of making the modifications being all that difficult.

Tires - your choice, but at least 305-wide

Wheels - not less than 11's with 305's, or 11.5's with 315's. Half an inch more if at all possible. 15" rotors will need 19's, 14" rotors only 18's.

Suspension - probably coilovers with at least single-adjustable damping and infinitely adjustable sta-bars (such bars are not available commercially for this car that I know of, but this can be done at the DIY-level). Firmer bushings and/or spherical-ended suspension links.

Big brake kit, though right about here you'd have to decide whether the car was going to be almost exclusively a track toy or not. Even entry-level track pads can be a lot harder on rotors than performance street pads.


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Old 11-05-2013, 01:05 PM   #14
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I wonder how much you could realistically get for take off LS3 long block? Assuming brand new car off the lot.
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Old 11-05-2013, 01:15 PM   #15
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Being cost efficient, what's your ideas for taking a 1LE to Z/28 performing levels?
add cam, intake, headers, exhaust, and possibly heads. Should be over 450whp which the Z/28 will be at. (wont have the dry sump though)

Z/28 wheels and tires. Sell the 1LE - probably take a little hit but if a brand new 1LE should be able to do this swap for little cost.

Call up Pedders

Remove rear seats and anything not needed in the car (can probably get it lighter than the Z/28 depending how much you want to take out).

I priced something similar but going with a procharger and i am confident i could build a very nice Camaro 1LE for under 60k and i wouldnt need the LS7 swap

Granted this is not a shop doing the work either and depending on what track you visit the most boost might not be the best option either
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Old 11-05-2013, 01:46 PM   #16
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Here's what i have done to get my 1ss up to Z28 levels

HKE built LSX 427 at 14 psi, 758whp...overkill i know but its fun

custom Earls extra wide 16 row oil cooler...factory is garbage

I have made 3 trips down to see Justice Pete himself and have the full Justice road course package with Pedders ZL1 sways and dual adj supercar coilovers.
Upgraded to 12kg coils on all 4 corners with a corner balance. We got all 4 corners within 5 pounds of each other! Surprisingly with a full tank and the iron block and the meth and blower the car weighed in at 4112 lbs. So with a little effort i could easily get it to 3800lbs.

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Pedders adjustable camber plates....4 minutes and im at -2.8 camber

Pedders Camaro Forgeline DE3Ps 19x10.5 wrapped in 305/30R19 Michelin Pilot Supersports and R compounds for the track if i feel the need(no dry sump so probably not)

CTSV-6 piston caliper and larger rotor running Cobalt Friction XR1/XR3 pads

GForce engineering 9" rear end with Strange Strac 3.50 diff 35 spline. 3.5" alum one piece Dynotec driveshaft

Going twin turbo in Jan, PTE6766 turbos and 20psi for about 1100rwhp. Yea, i know, but this car is more of a "jack of all trades" than can run a good road course time and still run 9s in the quarter.

Plan on a boost controller and low boost setting for the road course....or just learn to control the right foot.
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Old 11-05-2013, 04:52 PM   #17
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Small engine mods, i would go katech kit, z/28 engine and diff cooler, 6 piston from zl1 brake kit, actually red cts v, and get nitto or other r compound tires. pfadt coils, bucket seats 1pc, rear seat delete with 21lbs deka battery and i am certain you will have a quick car.

Seats will be $1500 with hardware, 50lbs lighter. Rear delete 50lbs lost too. Battery is $100 worst case, 20-30lbs lighter. Coils $3000, and 10-15lbs lighter. Not sure if cooling features would work on 1le but that will be expensive $2000 lets say, ~30lbs added weight. Brakes $2000, a lil heavier. Tires amd wheels will be lighter if u buy the z ones but u can get good money for 1le ones too.

100lbs lighter and around $7k. Plenty to drop on motor or the prefered choice, pads and tires.
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Old 11-05-2013, 07:37 PM   #18
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Cool idea. Z/28 on a budget.

Here would be my list for a low cost Z/28b (for bargain):

Start with a bare white 1SS with NPP and Recaros only. Really this is still a very well equipped car. (But I love tunes so I also would add BA) Every other option adds weight and is not in the spirit of the Z/28.
  • LT Headers (get the stepped or 2" for extra power)
  • Hiflow Cats
  • CAI
  • CAI Scoop
  • Tune (Skip this and keep your warranty)
  • 18" Wheels - Picking TSW Interlagos (in Black) here, light (< 20 lbs), but fairly inexpensive. You will need to trim the roller skates and notch the knuckle? to get big 18s on the front. No spacers!
  • Michelin Pilot Sports (Biggest square setup that will fit the 18's)
  • A slightly larger rear sway bar
  • Full differential and cradle poly bushings and the few other rear bushings
  • Radius Rod Inserts (Every Camaro should have this)
  • Catch Can
  • Tick clutch line and separate clutch reservoir
  • Upgraded brake lines
  • Better brake fluid
  • Fender hash marks, also on the hood like the 1LE prototype (A must)
  • Plastidip all chrome (very important to set the mood)
  • Tow hook (Another mood setter. Could come in handy, but I hope not)
  • GoPro and suction cup to get good movies of the pretty Z/28 tail lights
The SS brakes are really good. Only if you seriously track will you need anything more. Stick with the stock pads. There are some things you can do to shed 100 pounds more, but this gets expensive fast.

I would wager with equal drivers the Z/28b would be able to keep a stock Z/28 in sight on any track. At least for a while.

And finally add a mild cam and real track tires to get even with the Z/28. If you can DIY the cam is not that expensive.
Would you like some candles to go with all that mood
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Old 11-05-2013, 08:38 PM   #19
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Very simply: Tons of seat time and a couple of mods:

IMO 1LE has 2 glaring weak spots. Front brake repeatability and power delivery in a corner. It also has 2 areas of concern: power deficiencies and its weight. Once those have been solved you can look further at wheels, tires, suspension.....

  1. Brakes can be cured with the CTSV front brake set-up w/Motul 600 : $1,700ish
  2. Needs a real rear diff: $800 (if you pull the diff and take it to get installed)
  1. More Power: That has been covered...pick your poison, but stay away from adding the weight of forced induction if this is going to be a track car.
  2. Weight: How far are you willing to go?:
  • lighter battery
  • remove rear seats
  • install lighter front seats (how to defeat airbag light?)
  • CF deck lid (save 10lbs)
  • Coilovers, lighter exhaust, sound deadening....ect.
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Here's what i have done to get my 1ss up to Z28 levels

HKE built LSX 427 at 14 psi, 758whp...overkill i know but its fun

custom Earls extra wide 16 row oil cooler...factory is garbage

I have made 3 trips down to see Justice Pete himself and have the full Justice road course package with Pedders ZL1 sways and dual adj supercar coilovers.
Upgraded to 12kg coils on all 4 corners with a corner balance
Pedders adjustable camber plates....4 minutes and im at -2.8 camber

Pedders Camaro Forgeline DE3Ps 19x10.5 wrapped in 305/30R19 Michelin Pilot Supersports and R compounds for the track if i feel the need(no dry sump so probably not)


CTSV-6 piston caliper and larger rotor running Cobalt Friction XR1/XR3 pads

GForce engineering 9" rear end with Strange Strac 3.50 diff 35 spline. 3.5" alum one piece Dynotec driveshaft

Going twin turbo in Jan, PTE6766 turbos and 20psi for about 1100rwhp. Yea, i know, but this car is more of a "jack of all trades" than can run a good road course time and still run 9s in the quarter.




Plan on a boost controller and low boost setting for the road course....or just learn to control the right foot.

Z/1000 edition
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LOL! pretty much though.

I still have my LS3 broken down in the garage. Plan is to sleeve it and run about 440 or so cubes. Go with 12-13 to 1 CR with a good road course cam. probably gonna set it up dry sump also.

I think the LSX will be fun for quite a while though.
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It's just the standard locker from an SS. The Z/28 uses the same rear with a different cover that has a built in fluid cooler, it also has a Torsen carrier/differential that has a worm gear mechanism. It's very similar to a Trutrac from Detroit Locker. They are both better for road track duties.

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