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Old 09-08-2013, 11:38 PM   #35
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I would say yes.

You ask ten other guys and you'll get 10 different answers.
Well thank you very much for your opinion.
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Old 09-08-2013, 11:45 PM   #36
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Well thank you very much for your opinion.
What system did you go with? Trunk mount?
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Old 09-08-2013, 11:53 PM   #37
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What system did you go with? Trunk mount?
AIS trunk mount stage 1
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Old 09-09-2013, 12:45 AM   #38
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Dual nozzle Alky Control kit running 100% meth and nothing else. Makes great power and dropped iat's to 26* at its coolest.
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Old 09-09-2013, 01:28 AM   #39
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Meth itself will actually cool better than water. Evaporation is what pulls the heat away from something. Meth will evaporate faster than water, therefore cool faster and to a lower temp. You ever touch meth or alcohol.....cool to the touch because it evaporating. The advantage of water isn't so much cooling the IATs as it is knock resistance because water doesn't ignite/detonate. So it will increase knock resistance. Many in the racing world go either or. Straight meth won't have the knock resistance of water but water ofcourse puts out fires. Soooo with water you'll usually need more timing, leaner condition, and tighter gap on your spark plugs all to make sure the car performs optimally. But back to the temp thing, I saw Detoxx dyno with 26░ IAT on an 80░ day with straight meth, so it definitely cools. Oh and of course 50/50 isn't flammable a definite advantage to something being kept in a plastic container in a road car.
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Old 09-09-2013, 07:12 AM   #40
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Like I said..... 10 different opinions.

Neither are 100% wrong nor right.

If you trust your tuner, and you should, go with his reccomendation. It'll be more sound than a bunch of keyboard mechanics. I don't think any of us have a phd in chemistry.
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Old 09-09-2013, 07:53 AM   #41
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I read every internet article i could find and still couldnt come up with a definitive answer so i went 75/25 meth/water.
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Old 09-09-2013, 08:26 AM   #42
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Jamie...I understand you have a lot of experience...but I know meth kits pretty darn well, and julio is right...100% meth is what you want. M1 to be specific, uncut. It will allow for more consistant tuning, nice cool burn, plus added fuel. Folks cut it 50/50 cheaping out, making it harder on themselves, or so they can run washer fluid...lol...pick one.
I ran A LOT through my GN with one of Julio's kits. I was running 30psi on 93 octane with it.

One of THE best places to read about meth and tuning with it is www.turbobuick.com. Julio is a moderator on the alky section of the forum. At least read tuning archives for AFR and what not.
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Old 09-09-2013, 10:15 AM   #43
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Jamie...I understand you have a lot of experience...but I know meth kits pretty darn well, and julio is right...100% meth is what you want. M1 to be specific, uncut. It will allow for more consistant tuning, nice cool burn, plus added fuel. Folks cut it 50/50 cheaping out, making it harder on themselves, or so they can run washer fluid...lol...pick one.
I ran A LOT through my GN with one of Julio's kits. I was running 30psi on 93 octane with it.

One of THE best places to read about meth and tuning with it is www.turbobuick.com. Julio is a moderator on the alky section of the forum. At least read tuning archives for AFR and what not.

We have an Alky control kit on our GN with dual nozzles before the tb. I know Julio well. He does like 100% meth but that doesn't mean he's right.... Or wrong.

Different stroke for different folks is ultimately the bottom line.
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Old 09-09-2013, 10:18 AM   #44
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Someone has to have real time info of 100% meth vs a 50/50 mix. At least then we will see proven results.


All we are doing now is saying well I know Fred who sells meth kits and he said this is the best or John said this is the way to do it. It's never ending.
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I've seen back to back testing on a turbo buick...not on a LS motor though. But yeah...both ways won't hurt...neither way is wrong...but one is better .
And I also would suggest taking this into count...what brand is your methanol injection kit? Alky control=100%meth. Some of the others do not. The pumps don't have the proper viton seals and will dry out. Julio mods the pumps with the proper seals. I have a friend with a Syclone that always added a bit of lubricant to his Snow kit. That's the only two kits I have had my hands on.
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Old 09-09-2013, 11:06 AM   #46
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I've seen back to back testing on a turbo buick...not on a LS motor though. But yeah...both ways won't hurt...neither way is wrong...but one is better .
I would think the results would be the same no matter what combustion application it's used on.

It's works. No doubt about that. To Buick guys its the holy grail.
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Old 09-09-2013, 11:12 AM   #47
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I've seen back to back testing on a turbo buick...not on a LS motor though. But yeah...both ways won't hurt...neither way is wrong...but one is better .
I would think the results would be the same no matter what combustion application it's used on.

It's works. No doubt about that. To Buick guys its the holy grail.
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Old 09-09-2013, 11:28 AM   #48
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You will even get different feedback on different car platforms! When I drove an EVO they were all about 50/50. Switched over to the Vette and it was 100%. I'm guessing since it's the same motor most will say 100% here as well. I know my last tuner (Shawn at lethal racing) had me running 100% in my Vette, and will again in the SS. One plus side to 100% is there is no mixing. Just pour and go! I'd follow the advice given here and use what your tuner says. That's what they like to tune with for a reason.
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Old 09-09-2013, 11:33 AM   #49
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Ok, with a 50/50 mix how would one get that? -20 windshield washer fluid is 30% meth ..

M1 and distilled.. Now, I just have to find M1, hmmmm
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Old 09-09-2013, 11:47 AM   #50
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No-brainer. Listen to the guy with 9.80 @ 139.73 in his signature. How can you argue with #7 on the fast list?
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Old 09-09-2013, 12:09 PM   #51
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Closest M1 dealer to me was 1.5hr drive, but I found Sunoco local so I just ran that.
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