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Old 09-17-2013, 12:50 AM   #1
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Auto vs Manual

So I have a automatic SS and I usually get a hard time from people about not having a manual. Is there a big difference between difference especially in regards to performance?
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Old 09-17-2013, 12:53 AM   #2
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Old 09-17-2013, 12:57 AM   #3
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Old 09-17-2013, 01:01 AM   #4
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There are tons of threads on this subject. Just use the search feature.
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Old 09-17-2013, 01:01 AM   #5
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Old 09-17-2013, 01:02 AM   #6
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Old 09-17-2013, 01:03 AM   #7
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26 hp, 400 Vs 426. Different rear end gears, 3.27? Vs 3.45?
I usually ask them what they drive. Then listen to their rambling excuse.
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Old 09-17-2013, 01:03 AM   #8
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Old 09-17-2013, 01:09 AM   #9
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It's true, people that drive manuals perform better in.....wait a minute what are we talking about here???
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Old 09-17-2013, 01:11 AM   #10
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Auto = L99 400hp with Active Fuel Management Manual = LS3 with no active fuel management. LS3 is quite a bit stronger out of the box due to it not having AFM, a larger camshaft, different heads (may be mistaken on something) L99 is detuned considerably from factory, all to keep from Auto SS buyers from having to pay a gas guzzler tax. Just a Tune on the L99 wakes it up a lot, but still falls short of the LS3 in raw power. At the same time a L99 will run very similar, more consistent track times than an LS3 while making less power. Start moding the L99 after a bit it becomes just as capable as the LS3. Hope this helps.
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Old 09-17-2013, 01:11 AM   #11
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Its a personal preference I believe, I have an auto but would rather grab gears because it is fun. My dad would rather drive auto because it is easy and you can get in and go.
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Old 09-17-2013, 01:31 AM   #12
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This was my first manual. Bought it at 31 years old. It was tough to learn. But it's changed my life. Driving a manual is a poetic experience. Like all great things its difficult to describe
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Old 09-17-2013, 01:34 AM   #13
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Auto = L99 400hp with Active Fuel Management Manual = LS3 with no active fuel management. LS3 is quite a bit stronger out of the box due to it not having AFM, a larger camshaft, different heads (may be mistaken on something) L99 is detuned considerably from factory, all to keep from Auto SS buyers from having to pay a gas guzzler tax. Just a Tune on the L99 wakes it up a lot, but still falls short of the LS3 in raw power. At the same time a L99 will run very similar, more consistent track times than an LS3 while making less power. Start moding the L99 after a bit it becomes just as capable as the LS3. Hope this helps.
I think the heads are the same but the valvetrain is a bit different. Other then that, I think the rest is right on.

Which is best, test drive them both and decide which you like best. That's really the only way for you to make a good decision. I went with the L99 and have been very happy. Would have loved to have the better short block of the LS3 but for most everyone needs, the short block of the L99 will do just fine and then some. Just takes a bit more money to get rid of the valvetrain and convert to LS3.

I got L99 in case my wife wanted to drive the car and then she NEVER drives it!!! LOL. I do still love my L99. I have driven some LS3 Camaros and liked them ALOT also so really it comes down to personal preference.

Get a good tune on the L99, engine and trans tune and it turns into a totally different beast!!!
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Old 09-17-2013, 01:39 AM   #14
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Old 09-17-2013, 01:42 AM   #15
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Personal preference, and if you're going to do do heavy mods like a cam shaft, you're going to spend more money due to the fact you have to get a stall and other things unlike the LS3. Sometimes I wish I had an automatic because sitting in traffic having to clutch for 1-2 hours will get very frustrating to the point that you're hoping that traffic goes to a complete stand still for at least 10 minutes.

I love my LS3, and if the SS had came with an LS3 for automatic that's what I would have bought. Ever since owning a LS1 GTO and LS2 GTO, I just couldn't fathom going to anything but an LS motor.
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Old 09-17-2013, 02:01 AM   #16
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As others have pointed out, personal preference. I have driven manuals practically the whole time I have been driving. Personally, I feel more in control with a stick/standard/manual. In an automatic, I feel that I have to wait on the tranny to do the shifting, duh. But I'd rather make the shift points myself. I think you can also modify the compression or vacuum advance to control your shift points in an automatic transmission. A little more research.
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Old 09-17-2013, 02:51 AM   #17
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I keep hearing this over and over so I'll just ask...Please explain how you feel more in control with a manual.
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Old 09-17-2013, 02:56 AM   #18
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I keep hearing this over and over so I'll just ask...Please explain how you feel more in control with a manual.
Well I drive an auto and I can answer this. When you are driving your auto and getting to cruising speed but see someone come into your lane, you car will most likely shift up on its own, putting you into a higher gear either making it harder to speed up or slow down or stop. That split second it takes to downshift can be all that it takes. I always drive in manual mode and it takes forever to down shift. You can down shift and watch it go to M2 to M1, put it to the floor and it takes a second to get moving.
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Old 09-17-2013, 03:40 AM   #19
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lol this car doesnt come in manual.... silly...
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Old 09-17-2013, 04:58 AM   #20
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Re

I have an auto and love it. Here is part of an article from Hot Rod Magazine talking about what breaks on Camaro's

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6L80 Six-Speed Automatic
This new-gen GM trans is so sophisticated that it has a separate computer (TCM or transmission control module). Incorrect TCM tuning causes more problems than hard-parts failures.
TCM calibration: Reprogramming is required when changing engine rpm range, shift points, or rearend gear ratio. A significant power change increases engine acceleration rate, which changes the amount of trans slip; both impact when the shift needs to occur compared with when the TCM calculates it should occur. HPTuners has reprogramming software.
TAPshift lag: When enabled, on-demand manual gear changes are made via steering wheel paddles. TAPshift permits holding a specific gear around a road course without fear that the trans might upshift or downshift during a turn and destabilize the car. It also works well for a burnout, but input lag creates straight-line acceleration issues; for drag racing, reprogram to upshift automatically at a desired shift rpm.
Torque management damage: Disabling torque management completely can cause failures. LPE says, "With a clutch-to-clutch trans like the 6L80, some torque management is needed to reduce the torque momentarily and allow time for the clutch for the desired gear to engage."
Torque converter (500-plus horsepower): LPE reports zero failures, IPS is confident through 500 hp, and Livernois says it has "a stock converter in a '10 Camaro that makes over 750 hp with close to 100 quarter-mile runs along with street driving." Precision Industries, TCI, Yank, and others sell high-stall converters. A triple-disc converter and custom trans tuning will ensure the converter stays locked up in Overdrive even on high-power mills.
Hard-parts failures (over 575 hp): With correct programming, Livernois and others report minimal internal hard-parts failures through 575 to 600 hp. Rossler builds beefed 6L80s. It says the 3-5 reverse clutch usually fails first, followed by the 4-5-6 clutch: "We add more clutches, machine special steels, and use better materials." Fully built Rossler 6L80s have withstood 1,000 hp on a chassis dyno; 750 hp is more realistic for long-term street durability

TTC TR-6060 Six-Speed Manual
Like stick-shift Dodges and Shelby Mustangs, V8 Camaros use TTC TR-6060 six-speeds. Enabling GM's launch control feature can minimize the chances of trans or rearend failure. RPM Transmissions' fully blueprinted Level 6 TR-6060 can handle more than 1,000 hp. "
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Old 09-17-2013, 05:05 AM   #21
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So I have a automatic SS and I usually get a hard time from people about not having a manual. Is there a big difference between difference especially in regards to performance?
Just ask them if they want go settle it at the track. From my experience the manual trans guys sit there and spin their tires unless they have slicks or drag radials. My stock SS beat a ZL1 because he just spun the tires for the first 60 feet while my automatic did all the work and sent me straight line down the track.
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Old 09-17-2013, 05:09 AM   #22
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Old 09-17-2013, 06:10 AM   #23
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Autos have remote start too.
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Old 09-17-2013, 06:17 AM   #24
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That's the one thing I missed when I traded my duramax for my 1LE.....remote start. I quickly got over it though.
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