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Old 09-17-2013, 11:26 AM   #51
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Real rods (cruisers, muscle cars, sports cars...whatever) have 3 pedals.

(Some exceptions may apply, ymmv.)

When I went looking for Camaros, an automatic automatically (bad pun) excluded that car from the list of possibles.

I took a friend for a ride last nite...he's a German photographer who made it into the 200 mph club on the salt flats last year. I offered to let him drive my Camaro. He confessed that he didn't know how to drive a "standard-type standard" (another bad pun) and that the car he drove on the salt had a motorcycle transmission and it was the only stick he'd ever driven. And he's not a young kid. I just don't unnerstand that. I learned to drive a manual trans in a 1949 GMC truck with a "crash box" (non-synchronized gearbox) that required double-clutching when shifting up or down. Once ya learn something like that, any other setup is a piece o' cake.
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Old 09-17-2013, 11:38 AM   #52
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I am confident that a stock manual will outperform a stock automatic in any form of competition, as long as the driver is up to the task. The performance gap will be smaller at the drag strip, but when it comes to a road course, the manual will show a greater edge. As far as ones choice for themselves, it depends how much the performance edge / fun factor is important vs the comfort level afforded with the automatics in certain driving situations like bumper to bumper traffic. Keep in mind, every statement I just made is based on the manual transmission driver being skilled and having the ability to up shift very quickly and efficiently at the correct RPM, and downshift matching RPM as to not upset the car. If this is not the case, then the automatic may very well gain the performance advantage in any form of competition.

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Old 09-17-2013, 11:39 AM   #53
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Manual vs Automatic, think it depends on where you are located. When I see a thread like this there might be a difference between urban dwellers and not so urban dwellers. Preference between manual and automatic might be based on your daily drive.

I learned how to drive a floor shift when I was 15 years old in my older brothers MG roadster back in the 1960s dark ages. My first new manual floor shift was a new 1970 Nova SS, and loved manual floor shift, "learned how to speed shift just by sound of engine".

Over the decades (45+ years) I have been driving in urban city stop & go traffic (Miami, Richmond, Houston, NYC twice, Philadelphia, Dallas, now Ottawa) and found an automatic transmission a good option to have in city stop and go traffic.

Admit I like manual speed shifting but the manual trans less then fun if daily driving in urban stop and go traffic and your max speed might be only 50 mph between stop lights and you continue to clutch between gears.

Love my 2LT, I am an urban driver so a manual shift is a -, same reason a SS V8 is a - because I have few to no opportunties to experience the V8 hp. My three year old daily driver (winter/summer) 2011 2LT, ordered my way is only at about 5,400 miles mostly driven in urban stop-in-go traffic. V6, A6 perfect for my daily driving.

I paid cash for my "made my way" preorder Camaro 2LT, A6. Could have paid cash for an SS with RS & with manual. I preordered my 2011 2LT back in May 2010 to fit my driving. A poser is one who buys a high performance auto just because it is high performance but driving habits does not warrent all that HP or use of manual floor shift.

Let the hate responses begin.
I respect your decision on your car. I have driven the V6 A6 version of this car for about a year and now that car is my sisters car. Honestly the V8 A6 too me feels like a completely different car.

I'm not sure how that makes people a poser for driving an automatic v8 but everyone has there own opinions. I thought there would be more love here in the Camaro family.

If anything I commute 5 hours between my school and home monthly so I get to experience the car at high speeds on the highway. Much love to you brother
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Old 09-17-2013, 12:14 PM   #54
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This was my first manual. Bought it at 31 years old. It was tough to learn. But it's changed my life. Driving a manual is a poetic experience. Like all great things its difficult to describe

Nicely said ‘’poetic experience’’
It's funny how you read so many automatic owner get the back hand comment: Oh, it's an Automatic!'', in my case my family and friends were like: ''Why did you get a Manual? lol

I got my first manual and my first new car at 35 years old. It is really a soul fulfilling experience for me.
Having a manual Camaro is really an extension of your feelings...there is a lot more possibilities to change your driving style with a stick.
My shift patterns can go from standard upshifts to:
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Start in 2nd
Leave it in 2nd, 3rd or 4th at 4000rpm to hear the burbles when release the gas pedals
The best part is compression downshifts with rev match...the sounds of the burbles…. Sweet music to my ears. Some can be done with automatic but it’s not has fun, especially on road course.

Automatics have their reasons, my Dodge Magnum is auto and I would not want a stick for that car. But my manual Camaro is a driving fulfillment every time I get in it.
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Old 09-17-2013, 12:24 PM   #55
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I had my last daily driver manual car in 2008. I bought it new in 2006, in the spring of 2008 I went on a 2 day get together with other Skys and Solstices driving The Tail of the Dragon and surrounding mountain roads. When I got home I could barely walk for 3 days because of my left knee. As soon as I recovered I went and ordered me a Automatic Sky. Since then I have only owned Autos and never thought anything about needing a manual to have fun driving. I still have fun, and now don't have to suffer afterwards because of it.
I do have a Manual transmission in my S10 truck, but since I don't drive it much that isn't an issue with it.
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Old 09-17-2013, 12:25 PM   #56
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Learned how to drive on a stick at age 14, had many vehicles after that with a stick. At this point in my life, i will NEVER buy a stick again UNLESS its a track car.
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Old 09-17-2013, 12:39 PM   #57
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Ever since my Livernois tune, I love my L99. Shifts are awesome and I can really feel them. It drives much better than stock (of course, gears and the blower help, too). L99 is pretty much neutered at the factory. If you have one, tuning it is almost a must. I could imagine the manual being fun, but shifting all the time would get old after a while (for me, at least).
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Old 09-17-2013, 12:47 PM   #59
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Green apples vs. Red apples. Which is best?
Red. Green are too sour!
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Old 09-17-2013, 12:48 PM   #60
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Soar left knee.
It is the major drawback I believe.
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Old 09-17-2013, 12:54 PM   #61
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... The first one had a $29k bare bones LS manual and a +$40k SS manual.
$29k bare bones LS? That's over $10k more than what I paid for mine. Happily, there are a couple of dealerships here in the Chicagoland area who stack up manual LSs as low price leaders. And the prices become very flexible at the end of the month.

My last two cars were automatics. My wife bought a manual 5 speed PT Cruiser convertible four years ago, and I realized it is fun to drive-- even with a 0-60 time that's best measured with a calendar. So, the top priority when I was shopping for a new car, was that it had to have a manual transmission.

As for driving in traffic, the manual doesn't faze me in the slightest. And it's not like we don't have traffic in Chicago. I've been driving manual for so long that I don't even think about it; muscle memory takes over.

Bottom line is that I feel more connected to any manual transmission car than to any automatic that I've ever driven. Of course I don't begrudge anyone who chooses an automatic; other people have other priorities.
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Old 09-17-2013, 12:59 PM   #62
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Nicely said ‘’poetic experience’’
It's funny how you read so many automatic owner get the back hand comment: Oh, it's an Automatic!'', in my case my family and friends were like: ''Why did you get a Manual? lol

I got my first manual and my first new car at 35 years old. It is really a soul fulfilling experience for me.
Having a manual Camaro is really an extension of your feelings...there is a lot more possibilities to change your driving style with a stick.
My shift patterns can go from:
1-3-5
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Start in 2nd
Leave it in 2nd, 3rd or 4th at 4000rpm to hear the burbles when release the gas pedals
The best part is compression downshifts with rev match...the sounds of the burbles…. Sweet music to my ears. Some can be done with automatic but it’s not has fun, especially on road course.

Automatics have their reasons, my Dodge Magnum is auto and I would not want a stick for that car. But my manual Camaro is a driving fulfillment every time I get in it.
The A6 will do all the same, with the exception of the skip shift. But then again what's the point of rowing gears, when you leave half of them out ...
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Old 09-17-2013, 01:06 PM   #63
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Old 09-17-2013, 01:21 PM   #64
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Old 09-17-2013, 01:27 PM   #65
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The A6 will do all the same, with the exception of the skip shift. But then again what's the point of rowing gears, when you leave half of them out ...
It really depends on my mood, traffic and fuel left in the tank!!
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Old 09-17-2013, 02:00 PM   #66
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My 2013 Camaro SS is an auto. My Challenger SRT8 392 was a stick but it's gone now. I get the "old school" mentality of rowing thru the gears but cars now a days are going automatic transmission. Look at the Porsche 911. Look at Ferrari. Even my SRT8 392 was as much as .4 - .5 faster in the auto version. It may well be more enjoyable to drive a manual but you will see less and less of them as the years go by and technology improves even more. To think someone is less "manly" because they drive an automatic is pretty juvenile in my opinion.
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To think someone is less "manly" because they drive an automatic is pretty juvenile in my opinion.
I've had three cars that had manual chokes. I used to joke with friends that they weren't real men not because they drove auto transmissions, but because they drove automatic chokes.
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I've had three cars that had manual chokes. I used to joke with friends that they weren't real men not because they drove auto transmissions, but because they drove automatic chokes.
I remember that. And putting a penny or a dime (depending on temp) under the throttle stop to raise the idle.

Yeah, the good old days
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So I have a automatic SS and I usually get a hard time from people about not having a manual. Is there a big difference between difference especially in regards to performance?
I think this post again, got Waaaaaaaaaaay off topic.

Yes, it's more fun to drive a manual, that was not asked.
Yes, you are a man for driving a sports car, manual or auto, that was not asked. Matter of fact, we have a lot of great women drivers on this forum. But we know what you meant.
Yes, for the "old school" people, 3 pedals looks pretty, but looks don't get you down the track any faster. That was not asked.
Yes a manual will be an auto on a road course, but that was not the question in this section.
Yes, if I look into a window, I would ask the owner, why not an auto. Was not asked by the OP.

Biggest and best answer. No, no real big difference in performance. As you can see, it's all up to the individual and what they like.
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I think this post again, got Waaaaaaaaaaay off topic.

Yes, it's more fun to drive a manual, that was not asked.
Yes, you are a man for driving a sports car, manual or auto, that was not asked. Matter of fact, we have a lot of great women drivers on this forum. But we know what you meant.
Yes, for the "old school" people, 3 pedals looks pretty, but looks don't get you down the track any faster. That was not asked.
Yes a manual will be an auto on a road course, but that was not the question in this section.
Yes, if I look into a window, I would ask the owner, why not an auto. Was not asked by the OP.

Biggest and best answer. No, no real big difference in performance. As you can see, it's all up to the individual and what they like.
You know, I had to go back and read the OP ... I have to agree ... Naw, not really much of a difference.
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So I have a automatic SS and I usually get a hard time from people about not having a manual. Is there a big difference between difference especially in regards to performance?

No,just preference.
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I think this post again, got Waaaaaaaaaaay off topic.
Ummmm . . . "especially in regards to performance" does not disqualify all of the detours this thread has taken (or may still take). All it does is establish the primary area of interest. Doesn't tie anybody to discussing that only.

Getting a hard time from those who prefer the conventional manual transmission is almost never about the hard numbers, so perhaps we need to look at the term "performance" as having subjective implications separate from that.

Subjective = a pretty individual thing = really no wrong answers here unless you bought what you bought against your preference without good reason and end up with a case of buyer's regret. Being secure enough in your decisions to not be second-guessing them later goes a long way.


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It is the major drawback I believe.
True, but it's a great workout. I love to show off my muscular left leg.
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Old 09-17-2013, 03:38 PM   #75
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All cars have steering wheels, brake and gas pedals.

The true Zen lies in a 60MPH, second gear downshift punch 'n' pass, screaming engine, and neck-snapping acceleration that can only be had with a manual. It's not just the act of doing it; it's the thrill of successfully pulling off shifting maneuvers that no automatic is capable of. It's the control of when, where, and how...maybe even, "if".

A manual only does what you tell it to. There are no electronic "brains" to override your decision. That's what does it for me. Well, that plus 2nd, 3rd, and occasionally 4th gear rubber. Video pending.
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