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Old 09-17-2013, 02:54 PM   #69
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So I have a automatic SS and I usually get a hard time from people about not having a manual. Is there a big difference between difference especially in regards to performance?
I think this post again, got Waaaaaaaaaaay off topic.

Yes, it's more fun to drive a manual, that was not asked.
Yes, you are a man for driving a sports car, manual or auto, that was not asked. Matter of fact, we have a lot of great women drivers on this forum. But we know what you meant.
Yes, for the "old school" people, 3 pedals looks pretty, but looks don't get you down the track any faster. That was not asked.
Yes a manual will be an auto on a road course, but that was not the question in this section.
Yes, if I look into a window, I would ask the owner, why not an auto. Was not asked by the OP.

Biggest and best answer. No, no real big difference in performance. As you can see, it's all up to the individual and what they like.
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Old 09-17-2013, 03:05 PM   #70
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I think this post again, got Waaaaaaaaaaay off topic.

Yes, it's more fun to drive a manual, that was not asked.
Yes, you are a man for driving a sports car, manual or auto, that was not asked. Matter of fact, we have a lot of great women drivers on this forum. But we know what you meant.
Yes, for the "old school" people, 3 pedals looks pretty, but looks don't get you down the track any faster. That was not asked.
Yes a manual will be an auto on a road course, but that was not the question in this section.
Yes, if I look into a window, I would ask the owner, why not an auto. Was not asked by the OP.

Biggest and best answer. No, no real big difference in performance. As you can see, it's all up to the individual and what they like.
You know, I had to go back and read the OP ... I have to agree ... Naw, not really much of a difference.
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Old 09-17-2013, 03:13 PM   #71
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So I have a automatic SS and I usually get a hard time from people about not having a manual. Is there a big difference between difference especially in regards to performance?

No,just preference.
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Old 09-17-2013, 03:18 PM   #72
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I think this post again, got Waaaaaaaaaaay off topic.
Ummmm . . . "especially in regards to performance" does not disqualify all of the detours this thread has taken (or may still take). All it does is establish the primary area of interest. Doesn't tie anybody to discussing that only.

Getting a hard time from those who prefer the conventional manual transmission is almost never about the hard numbers, so perhaps we need to look at the term "performance" as having subjective implications separate from that.

Subjective = a pretty individual thing = really no wrong answers here unless you bought what you bought against your preference without good reason and end up with a case of buyer's regret. Being secure enough in your decisions to not be second-guessing them later goes a long way.


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Old 09-17-2013, 03:26 PM   #73
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Old 09-17-2013, 03:38 PM   #74
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All cars have steering wheels, brake and gas pedals.

The true Zen lies in a 60MPH, second gear downshift punch 'n' pass, screaming engine, and neck-snapping acceleration that can only be had with a manual. It's not just the act of doing it; it's the thrill of successfully pulling off shifting maneuvers that no automatic is capable of. It's the control of when, where, and how...maybe even, "if".

A manual only does what you tell it to. There are no electronic "brains" to override your decision. That's what does it for me. Well, that plus 2nd, 3rd, and occasionally 4th gear rubber. Video pending.
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Old 09-17-2013, 07:06 PM   #75
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I always buy the largest, most powerful, engine that's readily available. Normally I pay extra for that, but when I found out that on this car that choice was going to save me $1195, it became a no-brainer for me and I've never looked back. If GM had built a LS3/auto Camaro, I'd probably be driving one. But since they forced me into it, it's brought back all my teenage memories of just how much fun a stick is to drive. Now that I've got long-tubes, CAI, and a tune, it's an absolute hoot and I wouldn't have it any other way!
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Old 09-17-2013, 07:20 PM   #76
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It was sort of a pleasant surprise to see manuals in these cars at all....thought it was sort of ironic that automatic was the "option" instead of the other way around....
...Thought it was kind of a throw-back to old four speed days...(even though they're six speed...lol)...No matter, all good.....Manuals aren't what they used to be, neither are automatics....Can't go wrong either way....
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Old 09-17-2013, 08:15 PM   #77
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I want a PDK after driving my good friends Turbo S. Any chance GM ever gets around to having great German/Italian autos and AWD in the Vettes and Camaros? No comparison.
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Old 09-18-2013, 12:47 AM   #78
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Well I drive an auto and I can answer this. When you are driving your auto and getting to cruising speed but see someone come into your lane, you car will most likely shift up on its own, putting you into a higher gear either making it harder to speed up or slow down or stop. That split second it takes to downshift can be all that it takes. I always drive in manual mode and it takes forever to down shift. You can down shift and watch it go to M2 to M1, put it to the floor and it takes a second to get moving.
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Old 09-18-2013, 01:35 AM   #79
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I test drove the auto SS and the manual SS before I ended up with my LS3. I could feel a significant difference in power and just a better connection with the car in general. The L99 was awesome, don't get me wrong. But the LS3 is what made me have to have one. Just my opinion.
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Old 09-18-2013, 04:34 AM   #80
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I believe the statement "VS" pitting two styles of transmission does not do justice to either of them. I have an M6 because I want one, same I imagine as people that have an A6. its what you wanted for YOUR style of driving. last time I checked when I bought my car was not for anyones approval. It was also not so anyone else could choose to shift or not to shift. Its my damn car I dont see how this is VS anything its a "boxers or briefs" arguement, let your desire of application and personal likings be the deciding factor not the "popular opinion on whats "manly" Men make decisions for themselves. Thats what I believe is manly.
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Old 09-18-2013, 05:35 AM   #81
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its a "boxers or briefs" arguement.
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Old 09-18-2013, 09:36 AM   #82
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My 2013 Camaro SS is an auto. My Challenger SRT8 392 was a stick but it's gone now. I get the "old school" mentality of rowing thru the gears but cars now a days are going automatic transmission. Look at the Porsche 911. Look at Ferrari. Even my SRT8 392 was as much as .4 - .5 faster in the auto version. It may well be more enjoyable to drive a manual but you will see less and less of them as the years go by and technology improves even more. To think someone is less "manly" because they drive an automatic is pretty juvenile in my opinion.
Correction: The supercars that you have mentioned have "automated manual shifting". They are not automatics. Big difference.
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Old 09-18-2013, 09:58 AM   #83
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Here is a better question….. How many times have you heard an automatic owner use the excuse “I missed 3rd and that’s why you beat me”? You haven’t, and you won’t.

As for your buddies giving you a hard time…..I know a handful of people that are die hard manual car fans. No matter what car you drive if it is an automatic, they won’t look twice at it. Those people are just rock heads, and not “car enthusiasts”.

Example, I own a Porsche 911 Turbo S. 550hp AWD automatic. I take it to car meets around town and always get a ton of spectators and there are always a hand full of so called “car enthusiasts” that I over hear saying “oh, but it’s an automatic”. I can’t help but laugh at the ignorance. Most of the time its envy and they are just trying to downgrade something awesome because they don’t have it.
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Old 09-18-2013, 10:34 AM   #84
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All that ↑↑↑ is . . . is it's not the way they'd choose their Turbo S to be equipped if they had a choice in the matter. Nothing more than perhaps reaction to the unexpected.

Kind of the flip side of my wife's occasional experiences driving "the girls" out at lunch when one of the others notices that she's doing all that shifting. For sure unexpected.


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Old 09-18-2013, 12:53 PM   #85
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Here is a better question….. How many times have you heard an automatic owner use the excuse “I missed 3rd and that’s why you beat me”? You haven’t, and you won’t.

As for your buddies giving you a hard time…..I know a handful of people that are die hard manual car fans. No matter what car you drive if it is an automatic, they won’t look twice at it. Those people are just rock heads, and not “car enthusiasts”.

Example, I own a Porsche 911 Turbo S. 550hp AWD automatic. I take it to car meets around town and always get a ton of spectators and there are always a hand full of so called “car enthusiasts” that I over hear saying “oh, but it’s an automatic”. I can’t help but laugh at the ignorance. Most of the time its envy and they are just trying to downgrade something awesome because they don’t have it.
I don't think they are trying to downgrade your car, and I don't think they are ignorant either. Feel blessed you can own such a fine car. You are coming off as very arrogant with your comment, and I hope that was not your intent.
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