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Old 09-14-2013, 09:45 AM   #1
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No oil pressure question.

I have 2011 ss with a ls3.My mods are tsp cam, tsp headers, ported polished heads, ud pulley, roto-fab intake, MELLING OIL PUMP.

I had the engine built about 30,000 miles ago by Chad Barton from CBI. So yesterday I took the car to the dealership to get the air conditioner TSB taken care of. I picked it up and drove less than 10 minutes home. About 2 hours later i went to go somewhere, fired the car up and no oil pressure on the gauge and the warning light was yelling at me. I think it's odd that it ran great and then all of a sudden doesn't have and pressure now. I didn't hear any loud noises, clacking or anything unusual coming from the engine. I wouldn't think the TSB wouldn't effect the oil pressure reading. So I'm hoping its the oil pressure sensor. So if anyone has any ideas or anything else to look at I would appreciate it.
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Old 09-14-2013, 10:02 AM   #2
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If you didn't hear valve train/lifter noise then most likely is the sensor.
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Old 09-14-2013, 10:28 AM   #3
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That's what I'm hoping . Would the noise be pretty obvious and noticeable? I take it the only way to know is to install the new one and fire it up?
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Yes if you had 0psi oil pressure or low for light to come on, you would hear loud ticking noises which would be the top end, lifters.

There is a way to test with a mechanical gauge but I don't know how to check it like that, maybe someone who does will chime in.
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Old 09-14-2013, 11:06 AM   #5
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Ok thanks again. Like I said I haven't heard any noises or anything out of the norm. My builder is also leaning towards the sensor. I haven't really seen one having problems with the melling oil pump. Do you or anyone else have directions or know how to change it out?

I appreciate the help
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Old 09-14-2013, 11:11 AM   #6
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2 things I have discovered... If your due or close to it these sensors are fickle.... and .... These sensors are fickle...... LOL....

you can also check oil pressure at the filter but that is another story.
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I'd have the dealer look at it. That close to when they were working on it, mostly likely they bumped a wire or something.

If it idles normal, it has oil pressure. The lifters would be knocking like crazy without oil pressure.

Look at the very back of the intake manifold by the cowl. I think that is where the op sending unit is. See if you see any wire connections off.
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Old 09-14-2013, 11:41 AM   #8
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I am going to call them on Monday. I'm not sure how close they would be to that plug or the wires for it while programming for the a/c. They did some body work on the hood and passenger side windshield pillar. So I'm sure they had to take the hood off and dismantle that area for painting. Would the lifter knock happen right at start up or does the engine have to idle for long? It ran long enough to go through all the self test of the gauges. I actually started it up once after that also. Never did hear the lifter knock
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Loud knocking right away.
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Did they remove the intake at all that you know of? I don't know what that tsb consists of.

If so then they might have broken the sensor out back. I don't think I would EVER leave my cars at the dealer without me being there. They hire some dumb porters and I've seen them abuse cars as well. I just HOPE it's not the case here. Please keep us posted.
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my car did the same but it was the oil pump. if im reading it right. drove fine to town. got a pizza walked back out started the car no oil pressure . all lights come one and i shut it off. no noise or nothing tho. but didnt start it back to see if it would start clacking . broke it down and oil pump.
it ran for a good 5 + sec. all the gauges ran over and stuff but no ticking. just my case tho.
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my car did the same but it was the oil pump. if im reading it right. drove fine to town. got a pizza walked back out started the car no oil pressure . all lights come one and i shut it off. no noise or nothing tho. but didnt start it back to see if it would start clacking . broke it down and oil pump.
it ran for a good 5 + sec. all the gauges ran over and stuff but no ticking. just my case tho.
Was it a melling?
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^^^^ that's what I was going to ask also.

I went and bought a sensor but kind of nervous to put it on and see if that fixes it. I'm going to call the dealership tomorrow and let them know. I doubt they will do anything about it since I have done all that work and will blame it on the part. I'm not really sure what to do besides find someone in the area that has experience with these engines. I haven't heard of many melling pumps going out and mine has 30,000 miles on it. Most miles are highway miles and car has never been tracked before. Any ideas would be appriciated?


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Old 09-15-2013, 08:53 PM   #14
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my car did the same but it was the oil pump. if im reading it right. drove fine to town. got a pizza walked back out started the car no oil pressure . all lights come one and i shut it off. no noise or nothing tho. but didnt start it back to see if it would start clacking . broke it down and oil pump.
it ran for a good 5 + sec. all the gauges ran over and stuff but no ticking. just my case tho.
in case you didn't know there is a tsb on the oil pump for this exact issue because of the relief valve sticking.

many have had thier oil pumps and belts replaced for this issue
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Was it a melling?
IIRC, he has an OEM O/P.
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Old 09-15-2013, 11:58 PM   #16
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I just read the a/c TSB. They have to reprogram the BCM for this. According to the service manual the input for the oil pressure sensor goes to the BCM. is there any possibility that the TSB program has effected the signal to the oil pressure gauge and having some kind of conflict with my tune or with the signal?mCould there be some kind of connection between the two. I have read that someone had a diablo tune and after the TSB it set a bunch of lights off. Trac control, stability control and abs. I'm hoping this is the problem and can be taken care of


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Old 09-16-2013, 06:26 AM   #17
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IIRC, he has an OEM O/P.
Yes I believe you are right, it was a stock pump.


Witt51, where are you located.
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Take the oil filter off and install and adapter that will let you put a mechanic gauge into it, start be car and look at your gauge, if your electronic car gauge drops and your pressure at the mechanical gauge stays the same, your pump is good and u need to check your pressure up top. If your mechanical gauge drops and your electrical gauge drops your pump is bad.

Reinstall a new oil filter and your can either remove you intake to get to the oil pressure sensor at the back off or if your good u can get it out without taking the intake off. Once you get the oil pressure sensor off there should be a screen underneath it, remove the screen, if you damage it, replace it, if you don't clean it thoroughly and blow it off. Install the mechanical gauge up top now and start the car, your oil pressure should be really close to what u had at the bottom, let the car run, and the pressure should be almost the same as the bottom even when the engine gets hot, if it doesn't drop, change the sensor and or replace or clean the screen, if your pressure up top is no good and your pressure at the bottom is good, take the engine appart and you will definitely find the culprit somewhere inside!
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Old 09-16-2013, 10:48 AM   #19
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Yes I believe you are right, it was a stock pump.


Witt51, where are you located.
I live in southern Illinois. Chad at CBI did all my but he is a 2 1/2 hours away. I don't know how much I trust anyone else to work on it around here. I talked to the dealership and told him it happened right after they did the A/C update. He sounded like he knew what was talking about



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Take the oil filter off and install and adapter that will let you put a mechanic gauge into it, start be car and look at your gauge, if your electronic car gauge drops and your pressure at the mechanical gauge stays the same, your pump is good and u need to check your pressure up top. If your mechanical gauge drops and your electrical gauge drops your pump is bad.

Reinstall a new oil filter and your can either remove you intake to get to the oil pressure sensor at the back off or if your good u can get it out without taking the intake off. Once you get the oil pressure sensor off there should be a screen underneath it, remove the screen, if you damage it, replace it, if you don't clean it thoroughly and blow it off. Install the mechanical gauge up top now and start the car, your oil pressure should be really close to what u had at the bottom, let the car run, and the pressure should be almost the same as the bottom even when the engine gets hot, if it doesn't drop, change the sensor and or replace or clean the screen, if your pressure up top is no good and your pressure at the bottom is good, take the engine appart and you will definitely find the culprit somewhere inside!
I read about doing this but don't have the time and ability to do that now. I'm going to have the dealership look at it and go from there. I appreciate the info. If it comes down to it and really have to do it myself I will start by doing this


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Old 09-16-2013, 07:31 PM   #21
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Here is an update. Took it to dealership and they checked the oil pressure with a mechanical gauge. There was zero pressure. So I'm replacing my oil pump. Question is should I stay with melling? Or another option? I am a little concerned about the melling now. I know things break but I seem like the only person on the Internet to have a melling failure.


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Here is an update. Took it to dealership and they checked the oil pressure with a mechanical gauge. There was zero pressure. So I'm replacing my oil pump. Question is should I stay with melling? Or another option? I am a little concerned about the melling now. I know things break but I seem like the only person on the Internet to have a melling failure.


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Hold on a second. Did they do anything besides check the oil pressure with a mechanical gauge? I would check the o-ring on your oil pump before assuming that the Oil pump went bad. Take it apart, re-seat the o-ring, put it back together, and check your oil pressure again. There are a few members who had ZERO oil pressure with their melling, and it turned out they had pinched o-rings.
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You drove it there? How did they check it? Who installed the melling? And what melling pump was it?
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Have them pull a valve cover off and see if there is oil up there. Try to be present for this.
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They said they checked the entire system. Then said they have to go into it internally to figure it out. I had it towed over there. Did drive it when I got it back from the TSB but my oil pressure was fine.then when I went to start it back up there was no pressure. I'm getting my car towed to the guy that did all the work. He has done a lot of people's cars on here and ls1tech. I feel more confident with him doing it than the dealership guys.


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