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Old 09-21-2013, 12:14 AM   #35
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I would love a price point of $9000 a lot more than 12,000 for sure. The ls3 conversion is kicking it up a bit I think.
Something L99 guys should consider. 650whp is a really good place to be on those cars and can be done stock motor, stock trans. They will last a long time there without LS3 conversion, if done right with a nice, safe tune. We have done this on multiple L99 cars now with no problems for tens of thousands of miles. Here is the very simple, cost effective formula. Base AGP turbo kit with integrated meth kit upgrade for safety. And you need the A/T cooler lines from us too. Run about 10psi, done 650whp on stock L99. That's really it.
Car will perform much better with a good AGP spec'd triple disc stall and an aftermarket cat back. But you don't really have to.
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Old 09-21-2013, 08:09 AM   #36
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My only holding point is thinking $12,000 to go from 380 hp to little over 600 hp. Arrrr decisions decisions...I get right there ready to pull the trigger, but then think I could out in new double din radio, carbon fiber some stuff and go that route.

What worries me if waiting on Super charging is putting more miles on the vehicle. I will never sell it but have been told not good to add on with higher mileage. What does higher mileage mean?? Is 18,000 to much or 30,000 to much to start thinking about conversion and SC

Is that true?
I wouldn't believe that. It took me almost 35,000 miles to save up enough to purchase a SuperCharger. I've only been able to put a few thousand mile on it because of military life, but have no issues. I make just over 650rwhp, which is a ton of fun. I will say it does take a lot of effort on the street to learn how to use that power off the line. I drive it often and love it.
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Old 09-22-2013, 01:08 PM   #37
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I put my cam in at 45000 and blower on at 58000 miles and am at 78000 miles now and drives just as good as the day I bought it with 26000 miles.

Proper maintenance, supporting mods, and care of your vehicle will make the world of difference in longevity. And don't skimp out on the tune or fuel system. These are more important then the supercharger itself.

I'm around 630rwhp and its plenty for me.
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Old 09-25-2013, 03:41 PM   #38
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WOW just pulled the trigger on SC!!!!!! Figuerd might as well go for it!! Thanks to you guys might be celibate for awhile : >)
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Old 09-25-2013, 04:42 PM   #39
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I don't wanna steal away this thread but wanna ask is it worth dropping all this cash on your car if it's not paid for yet? Do I spend 2-3k on mods I want or put it towards car payment?
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Old 09-25-2013, 04:53 PM   #40
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I don't wanna steal away this thread but wanna ask is it worth dropping all this cash on your car if it's not paid for yet? Do I spend 2-3k on mods I want or put it towards car payment?
This was a hard decision for me as well. I dont plan on ever selling my car so finally decided just going to jump in. I have already put LOTS of money into cosmetic mods and tooo specialized to get money back out of. My friends joke about it being 150,000 camaro. LOL. Not nearly that much LOL but you can sink a lot into them.

I would say if dont plan on keeping for any length of time not worth dropping the cash.
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This was a hard decision for me as well. I dont plan on ever selling my car so finally decided just going to jump in. I have already put LOTS of money into cosmetic mods and tooo specialized to get money back out of. My friends joke about it being 150,000 camaro. LOL. Not nearly that much LOL but you can sink a lot into them.

I would say if dont plan on keeping for any length of time not worth dropping the cash.
Good point, I also don't plan to sell my car, has a sentimental value to me, but at the same time this payments are getting annoying lol but I guess ill have to make up my mind and decide what I want. Thanks
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Old 09-25-2013, 07:19 PM   #42
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What I did was take my tax return, paid off the remaining balance on the car loan (saving a little interest), paid for the supercharger kit and necessary installation and tuning with a credit card, transfer the balance to another card with 18 months/0 interest, and pay it down with what was my monthly car loan payment amount. 'Should be paid off (again) before next tax season. ... Then I can turn around and buy a new clutch (assuming mine lasts until then )
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Old 09-26-2013, 01:24 AM   #43
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What I did was take my tax return, paid off the remaining balance on the car loan (saving a little interest), paid for the supercharger kit and necessary installation and tuning with a credit card, transfer the balance to another card with 18 months/0 interest, and pay it down with what was my monthly car loan payment amount. 'Should be paid off (again) before next tax season. ... Then I can turn around and buy a new clutch (assuming mine lasts until then )
Sounds like a good idea but my tax return is no where near enough to pay off my car loan lol it will take at least 3-4 tax returns for me, but u did bring up a good point n use that money to lower my payments to have more money available
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Old 09-27-2013, 01:34 PM   #44
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I like cars in the 800 RWHP range. Makes for a very fun ride and I dont get bored with it.
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Old 09-27-2013, 04:23 PM   #45
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My car has 500RWHP...and it's NOT enough for me...it hooks up surprisingly well...which takes away from some of the fun for me as it's actually still very easy to drive (if that makes sense)...that's also why the heads/cam LS3 is coming out this winter and going in a plastic bag in favor of the built engine and a LOT of boost...and hopefully a LOT more power.

Don't get me wrong...the car is quick (enough to impress most people that aren't car people)...but while it was fun a year and a half ago...I'm bored with it now.
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Old 09-27-2013, 05:27 PM   #46
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My car has 500RWHP...and it's NOT enough for me...it hooks up surprisingly well...which takes away from some of the fun for me as it's actually still very easy to drive (if that makes sense)...that's also why the heads/cam LS3 is coming out this winter and going in a plastic bag in favor of the built engine and a LOT of boost...and hopefully a LOT more power.

Don't get me wrong...the car is quick (enough to impress most people that aren't car people)...but while it was fun a year and a half ago...I'm bored with it now.
Wow 500 is good amount of power. I am sitting at 372 right now so 600 should keep me satisfied I would think. . I have been told anything over 700 have to start thinking other mods.

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Old 09-27-2013, 05:30 PM   #47
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but while it was fun a year and a half ago...I'm bored with it now
Age old story it seems. I am sure within 24 months I will be complaining that my new 650 is getting boring...
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Old 09-27-2013, 06:41 PM   #48
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Age old story it seems. I am sure within 24 months I will be complaining that my new 650 is getting boring...
I have never driven a car with 600 rwhp so hopefully keep me for awhile.

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Old 09-30-2013, 10:32 AM   #49
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I have never driven a car with 600 rwhp so hopefully keep me for awhile.

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You've gotta remember these cars are heavy...and the OEM tires really sucked. Put a decent set of street tires on the car, and do some rear suspension work (solid subframe bushings, real control arms and bushings and whatnot) with a good alignment in it, and they hook up a surprising amount of power...I know a lot of people complain about IRS cars and big power over solid axle cars...and I've owned a lot of solid axle cars (heavier and lighter than this car) with less power that couldn't hook up the way this car does on the street...

To be honest, I don't think I'll even be happy with 750, but that's why I'm targeting 4 digits. I've got a bottom end that I hope is built to take it (my engine builder and I put a TON of effort/money into it) I just hope I can get there without making a mistake in the tune and blowing it up.
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Old 10-02-2013, 09:19 AM   #50
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My only holding point is thinking $12,000 to go from 380 hp to little over 600 hp. Arrrr decisions decisions...I get right there ready to pull the trigger, but then think I could out in new double din radio, carbon fiber some stuff and go that route.

What worries me if waiting on Super charging is putting more miles on the vehicle. I will never sell it but have been told not good to add on with higher mileage. What does higher mileage mean?? Is 18,000 to much or 30,000 to much to start thinking about conversion and SC

Is that true?
No absolutely not - that mileage is nothing to be worried about!! Only time I am worried about a car's mileage is if we baseline it on the dyno and it appears to be tired, and has low compression, etc...I'd think nothing about modding a car in the 18k-30k mileage range, that's just nicely broken in at that point.

My own car makes 700rwhp, I think it's great. Is it more power than I can really use on the street? Oh yeah, you have to be careful with it otherwise you'll get yourself hurt. But it's fun, and the car feels like a monster. I'd rather have more power than I can use than be bored with what it came with.
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Old 10-04-2013, 01:11 AM   #51
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My wife practicaly cried once she saw the first 10k paypal exchange. Then two cam swaps, 3 sets of wheels, and a crap load of other wasted funds she got over it.

The guilt trips come and go
Hmmmm ... that sound familiar!

Trouble is ... they're OK with the first little things like the intake or shifter, because they go and buy themselves some shoes and justify it with "but you bought things for your car." It's too late now ... you've had your first hit and you're addicted.

Then comes the blower ... they grin and bare it ... a bit. Then you don't get the power you want ... so you get the tune ... then the full exhaust.

Then come the problems. Oil leak ... so you add catch cans. First the cheap ones you sneak through eBay ... but they don't work. So then you bite the bullet and go for a good one. Oh ... and a breather cap.

Then the surging starts ... so you try and resolve it yourself. Plugs, leads, more plugs, O2 sensors, MAF. Still not fixed.

So you throw more at a better tune with someone who knows what they're doing this time ... you find out you need injectors, then the fuel pump.

Then you think ... I'd better get a leak down test ... broken ringlands. Crap!

So you break the bad news to the wife. You can't tell her what it's REALLY going to be ... so you pluck a number out of thin air "$5k ... 7 tops".

Then the rebuild starts ... pistons, rings, rods, bolts + studs, cam, lifters, valve springs, push rods, timing set, heads, gaskets, plugs, labor. Better put in an HV oil pump for insurance. May as well pulley down ... so you'll need a 8 rib pulley kit. Will need a bigger fuel pump then ... may as well do the rear bushes while the subframe is out .. oh and you'll need a better clutch.

So the bills start rolling in ... $8k here, $7.5k there, another $1k over there, then another $1400 there ... and so on.

NOW you here the words "If you spend another cent on that F***** car, I'm divorcing you".

At which point you should be thinking ... No ... I can't lose my wife and kids" ... but instead the delusional voice in your head says "Don't let her do that ... she'll make you sell the car so she can get half."

We really are a sick bunch of a-holes aren't we

But it is SOOOO worth it man! DO IT ... One day you'll thank me from your bachelor pad with its impressive man cave!
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