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Old 10-07-2013, 11:30 AM   #51
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It is unbelievable for sure. That was the annoying thing during my phone call with GM. They did not even bring that up an offer to cover partial costs as an option. It was as simple as "...it will not be covered under warranty...The decision by GM is final..". Granted I understand that their job must be tough listening to people getting frustrated every day but I found the "finality" of make it very hard to hold my tongue.
Contact some ofnthe people here who had theirs covered, and ask for the actual rep that assisted them. They obviously know of the issue.
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Old 10-07-2013, 11:39 AM   #52
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OP I hope you continue to fight this. As well as the issues with these engines are doccumented, it should be covered!
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Old 10-07-2013, 05:21 PM   #53
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This is bull spit! My care was modded and I didn't have any receipts of my oil changes etc. But My engine was warrantied.. I hope you don't back down man, Fight this and keep at them. This cant be let go. Gm Knows of the issues with the LLT motor, they cant deny it. Don't give up! Wish I could support you more.
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Old 10-07-2013, 06:39 PM   #54
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Have you spoken with an attorney yet? Sounds like it's time.
No..not yet. I will avoid that as long as the communication is still happening. However, with that said, the private message that I sent to Jessica on Friday afternoon to GM Customer Service has gone unanswered. Maybe she has today off or maybe they haven't decided what the response shall be for my request to talk with the DMA....Tomorrow I will call the service manager at the dealer and see if he has heard anything new on his end.

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Contact some ofnthe people here who had theirs covered, and ask for the actual rep that assisted them. They obviously know of the issue.
Yeah I need to start accumulating links and contacts and that definitely might be a plan.

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This is bull spit! My care was modded and I didn't have any receipts of my oil changes etc. But My engine was warrantied.. I hope you don't back down man, Fight this and keep at them. This cant be let go. Gm Knows of the issues with the LLT motor, they cant deny it. Don't give up! Wish I could support you more.
Well that is some good news. I guess I just need to keep plugging away looking for the right person(s) at GM.
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Old 10-07-2013, 06:53 PM   #55
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Another LLT engine blown up....

I would keep fighting this as I am sure you are. I had a 2011 RS 2LT and at 9k I had the same issue with #2 and #3 and at about 20k it was the same issue but worse. The first time they were able to replace the parts and clean it up and the second time they replaced the motor. Based on my conversation with the service manager, it was as if the engine wasn't getting oil. Lucky for me I changed my oil at the dealership as required so they had all my records. They were dumbfounded by the issues they saw especially for the second time.

There are several others with the same story so it's definitely a known issue.
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Old 10-07-2013, 10:55 PM   #56
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Honestly this is the shit that pisses me off. Theres soo many known cases on Camaro5 alone about this issue. Pathetic
Hope you get this resolved man, if not try to contact some automotive blogs and people to bring the issue up.
Theres a reason why GM suddenly switched to the LFX
If I didnt love the camaro soo much, I wouldve sold it. Most unreliable car I have ever owned. More brittle than the 30 year old cars that drive next to it.
This will be my last GM car. I have said it time and time before, and continued to buy thinking it would be different this time, totally wrong. And the worst part is majority of the people I speak to who have owned many cars agree. You get the odd few strong GM cars, the rest have problems, and some re down right lemons.
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Old 10-08-2013, 06:57 AM   #57
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Honestly this is the shit that pisses me off. Theres soo many known cases on Camaro5 alone about this issue. Pathetic
Hope you get this resolved man, if not try to contact some automotive blogs and people to bring the issue up.
Theres a reason why GM suddenly switched to the LFX
If I didnt love the camaro soo much, I wouldve sold it. Most unreliable car I have ever owned. More brittle than the 30 year old cars that drive next to it.
This will be my last GM car. I have said it time and time before, and continued to buy thinking it would be different this time, totally wrong. And the worst part is majority of the people I speak to who have owned many cars agree. You get the odd few strong GM cars, the rest have problems, and some re down right lemons.
I traded up for the SS after the second time. I figured the issue was specific with the LT and I wasn't going to take another chance after my second time. I stayed loyal only due to GM taking care of all my issues and also allowing me to trade up and taking care of me the way they did.

I understand GM looks at this case by case but they need to open up their eyes and see there is a huge issue here. Engines going out with low miles is unacceptable. Everyone has the same story and everyone shocked at the oil consumption or lack of oil at all. I have been so glad I did my oil changes at the dealer because my first time they saw barely any oil but they had records that it was just done recently and oddly enough the DIC shower I still had a ways to go before an oil change.
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Old 10-08-2013, 07:08 AM   #58
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Honestly this is the shit that pisses me off. Theres soo many known cases on Camaro5 alone about this issue. Pathetic
Hope you get this resolved man, if not try to contact some automotive blogs and people to bring the issue up.
Theres a reason why GM suddenly switched to the LFX
If I didnt love the camaro soo much, I wouldve sold it. Most unreliable car I have ever owned. More brittle than the 30 year old cars that drive next to it.
This will be my last GM car. I have said it time and time before, and continued to buy thinking it would be different this time, totally wrong. And the worst part is majority of the people I speak to who have owned many cars agree. You get the odd few strong GM cars, the rest have problems, and some re down right lemons.
I'm there with you... I've bought plenty of GM vehicles over the years, but I seriously doubt I will purchase another GM product... And while my Camaro didn't have any engine problems, i did have an Acadia with an LLT motor that lost 2 sets of timing chains in 82,000 miles... and yes, GM covered them but regardless it's still a hassle and eventually i would run out of warranty....

And after seeing all the blown engine threads and now this one where GM is denying the claim... Sorry, GM, don't think you'll be getting any more of my money... which is sad, because I do like a number of your vehicles...
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Old 10-08-2013, 08:47 AM   #59
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Jessica from GM Customer Service Private messaged me back in response to my request to have the dealer's DMA contact me and explain this decision.

She wrote: "... We are further reviewing your case, and an agent will be in contact with you within the next 24-48 business hours..."

This is good news that they are still in contact with me but it does not sound like it will be the DMA that will be contacting me.

Stay tuned...
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Old 10-08-2013, 09:06 AM   #60
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If the engine had been run several times with low oil, why didn't the dashboard ever tell you the oil was low? Or did it? Does the LLT not have an oil level sensor?
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Old 10-08-2013, 04:49 PM   #61
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If the engine had been run several times with low oil, why didn't the dashboard ever tell you the oil was low? Or did it? Does the LLT not have an oil level sensor?
My neighbor brought this same point up this weekend. No I never got a low oil light. Pretty amazing when you consider the dealer started the engine just prior to dismantling and got 30 PSI on the gauge and no check oil light. When he tore it apart he said there was only 2 quarts in the system.

I decided to write another message to Jessica at GM customer service that succinctly shows why I do not agree with the initial decision.


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Hi Jessica,

Thank you for help on this issue.

Here are is some more information that pertains to this case.

I have owned the car since 3/22/13. I have never seen a check engine light nor a check oil light. I have checked the oil several times and it always read a full dipstick.

In my previous email I mentioned that Jiffy Lube receipt on 4/7/13 stated no oil on the dipstick prior to service. That is not an indicator of inadequate oil. When I got my oil changed a Jiffy Lube I made sure my engine was hot and that there were no people in line so that I could drive in and immediately get serviced. The Camaro manual states: "...give the oil several minutes to drain back into the oil pan. If this is not done, the oil dipstick might not show the actual level....". Since I was able to get immediate service at Jiffy Lube, the oil would have still been up in the upper part of the engine and would not have drained back into the pan. Hence no oil on the dipstick. Had several minutes passed, the dipstick would have read a reading. Especially since I had checked the dipstick that same morning and it indicated full

When I talked to service manager at the dealer on 9/23/13, I had asked him if he had talked to the DMA about my case and if he had made a decision about my car. I do not know if he had talked to the DMA but he said that everything was on track to have this covered under warranty. The car measured no oil on the dip stick but since there were
- no leaks
- the drain plug was in
- no cracks in the block or pan
He indicated that he was going to spend 10.5 hours to pull the car apart to figure out what the issue was. I explained to him that I really wanted to know if it was or was not going to be covered if he was going to expend that much time. He assured me that everything was on track to be covered under warranty.

He also noted that before he pulled the motor on the car, he started it and the oil pressure read 30 psi, there oil life was 22% according to the computer and there was no check engine light and no low oil light even though the car was making some obvious clanking and banging due to the rod bearing.

He only pulled apart the motor because he assured me that because my last oil change was 3,023 miles prior that all that damage should not have happened. Especially when I had checked the oil 3 days prior and it read full on the dipstick.
She quickly wrote responded back that she documented this in my case for the agent to review.
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Old 10-09-2013, 02:18 PM   #62
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Curtis called back from GM and said that since no new facts have been presented in this case, the position that GM is taking has not changed and my warranty claim is being denied.

I will now call back to the dealer and see how they would like to handle this now.
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Old 10-09-2013, 02:59 PM   #63
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This thread has encouraged me to check my oil level immediately before oil changes.

I hope they get this sorted for you. What I want to know is.... why isn't catastrophic oil loss it's own problem that ought to be covered under warantee...?
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This thread has encouraged me to check my oil level immediately before oil changes.

I hope they get this sorted for you. What I want to know is.... why isn't catastrophic oil loss it's own problem that ought to be covered under warantee...?
Typically the cases we've seen here HAVE been covered... I think I would spend a couple hundred bucks and talk to a lawyer at this point...
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Old 10-09-2013, 05:31 PM   #65
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Typically the cases we've seen here HAVE been covered... I think I would spend a couple hundred bucks and talk to a lawyer at this point...
Im going to have to second this!
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Typically the cases we've seen here HAVE been covered... I think I would spend a couple hundred bucks and talk to a lawyer at this point...
If that's the case... then I'd have to agree!
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This is very depressing. I sure hope it gets resolved so it will be covered.
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Old 10-10-2013, 02:25 PM   #69
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My neighbor brought this same point up this weekend. No I never got a low oil light. Pretty amazing when you consider the dealer started the engine just prior to dismantling and got 30 PSI on the gauge and no check oil light. When he tore it apart he said there was only 2 quarts in the system.

I decided to write another message to Jessica at GM customer service that succinctly shows why I do not agree with the initial decision.




She quickly wrote responded back that she documented this in my case for the agent to review.
The LLT does NOT have a low oil sensor, that is the reason you never got a warning.
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Looking over at true delta, I looks like the single most common complaints on the 2010 Camaro were oil pan leaks and front seal oil leaks.

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Looking over at true delta, I looks like the single most common complaints on the 2010 Camaro were oil pan leaks and front seal oil leaks.

Check your oil guys! ABC! (Always be checking!)
This is not at all the case. The timing chain issue was the cause of most LLT engine issues.


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This is not at all the case. The timing chain issue was the cause of most LLT engine issues.


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Took another peek on True Delta... Looks like most of the oil issues were for the SS, not the LLT. My bad.

While there are some timing chain concerns, I think it's a little unfair to say that *most* engine issues are to do with timing chains. There have been some reported here, but I think you will find in the field that there is a wide range of issues causing repairs, and timing chains aren't as common as you think in the LLT's in the Camaro.
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Honestly this is the shit that pisses me off. Theres soo many known cases on Camaro5 alone about this issue. Pathetic
Hope you get this resolved man, if not try to contact some automotive blogs and people to bring the issue up.
Theres a reason why GM suddenly switched to the LFX
If I didnt love the camaro soo much, I wouldve sold it. Most unreliable car I have ever owned. More brittle than the 30 year old cars that drive next to it.
This will be my last GM car. I have said it time and time before, and continued to buy thinking it would be different this time, totally wrong. And the worst part is majority of the people I speak to who have owned many cars agree. You get the odd few strong GM cars, the rest have problems, and some re down right lemons.
I agree so much with this statement
**** GM. They are sons of ******!
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Old 10-10-2013, 03:44 PM   #74
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The OP bought used, so its buyer beware!
Someone dumped the car after it was using oil.
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Typically the cases we've seen here HAVE been covered... I think I would spend a couple hundred bucks and talk to a lawyer at this point...
Tomorrow I am going to see the service manger at the dealer and see if we can move this forward. Hopefully we can keep lawyers out of this. Since there is still dialog that is good.

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Someone dumped the car after it was using oil.
Yeah could be. But the warranty transferred to me and whenever I checked oil I saw a full dipstick.

I started a poll to see how much Camaro 5 users see in their oil measurements.

Please take the time to vote. The poll can be found here: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=322364
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