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Old 09-26-2013, 12:22 PM   #26
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I'd love to see it on future GM cars, but I just can't picture a Malibu owner that would care about this.

Camaro or Vette, absolutely

Sonic, probably

Impala or Cruze, why not

Malibu, not so much
It was some kind of a Malibu Turbo Performance Package they were showing off. I believe they had a Sonic and Cruze with similar intakes there.

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Chase where is the air inlet duct for that? How big is it?
I think those cars are fed through the side of the fender where the box is attached. A lot of trucks are like that.
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Old 09-26-2013, 12:35 PM   #27
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Because CAIs are an aftermarket money making scam and the manufacturers know it. Numerous tests have been done that adding a CAI to an otherwise stock engine will provide nothing noticeably more than a sound difference. Unless your running cat-less on the track, a CAI is useless for performance.

That being said, the stock air-filters are junk and restrictive, but adding a high-flow filter in the stock air intake will net the same gains on an otherwise stock setup.
This is so full of fail, I don't know where to start. Oh yeah, SEARCH.

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Partially this^ a high flow air filter can acheive the same small gains that some cai's would, and gm would make less money making a conical filter that is reusable. On top of that if the general public would have to do maintenance such as oil and clean their air filters, people wouldn't leading to warranty coverage costs adding up for gm on top of the losses from not selling a shitload of ac delco paper filters to everyone when they get their oil changed. Those paper filters have huge markup i would assume, cause a paper filter couldn't cost that much to manufacture. It all comes down to money in the end, every company cares about profits beyond everything else, if they didn't then they would be called a charity.
It's been shown on many occasions that a higher flowing filter does nothing for performance in this vehicle. Yes they do flow more on a flowbench but inside the OEM intake, it flows no better than OEM.

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GM was planning on selling a GMPP CAI but it was never released.

Anyone know why?

http://www.chevroletperformance.com/...o_sitelet.html
Can you not see that this intake is EXACTLY like the OEM one, only it has a different finish on it. If you want this intake, paint the one that's on your car now and viola, you have a GMPP CAI. It wasn't released because not many people would pay for performance intake that doesn't add performance.
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Old 09-26-2013, 12:42 PM   #28
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Old 09-26-2013, 12:44 PM   #29
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[QUOTE=axis;7039239]This is so full of fail, I don't know where to start. QUOTE]

Try this for full of fail: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=320019

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Old 09-26-2013, 12:48 PM   #30
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a CAI is louder than an air box. OEM's spend millions developing s air box that doesn't whistle, or chirp.
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Old 09-26-2013, 12:50 PM   #31
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Can you not see that this intake is EXACTLY like the OEM one, only it has a different finish on it. If you want this intake, paint the one that's on your car now and viola, you have a GMPP CAI. It wasn't released because not many people would pay for performance intake that doesn't add performance.
Axis, the air tube is different.

Has anyone ever seen what one of these looked like inside? Maybe at SEMA or some other venue?
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Old 09-26-2013, 12:56 PM   #32
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This is so full of fail, I don't know where to start. Oh yeah, SEARCH.
I have, and if anything you may see an actual gain of maybe 5 - 10 HP, but sometimes results have been a drop in HP. My point is that a 5 - 10 HP gain is negligible, you won't even feel it, and a stock setup will not benefit from it anymore than a drop-in high-flow filter would. IMO it is certainly not worth paying $400 - $500 for and an hour of my time installing it.

If I want "real" performance increase then I would opt for a header and high-flow cat swap to start, while still using the stock air-intake with a high-flow filter of course. Then if I still wanted to go further I would either do a Head and Cam swap or some sort of forced induction. Then, and maybe only then, would I do a CAI. But I wouldn't even do this without massive suspension, chassis bracing, and brake upgrade as well.

But before I paid for all that I would just buy a Z06 Corvette instead. This is probably Chevrolet's thinking as well, hence what the Op asked in the first place... is why Manufacturers do not put CAIs in stock cars.
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Old 09-26-2013, 05:11 PM   #33
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I owned various GM products over the years long ago ('62 'vette, '69 SS396 Chevelle, '70-1/2 Z/28, '64 'vette coupe, '76 Trans Am). Then I switched to Mustangs ('96 Cobra, '01 Cobra, '08 GT500) when I disliked gen3 and gen4 Camaro styling. I still have those three Mustangs but have added a '13 IOM ZL1.

C&L and JLT CAIs are popular Mustang mods. Both increase airflow enough where a tune is required to avoid running lean and risking detonation.

But here it seems like everyone wants to avoid a tune for their Camaro and use something like a Rotofab that doesn't require one. Why is that? I can't believe its strictly that Mustang owners are okay with voiding their warranty and Camaro owners aren't.
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Old 09-26-2013, 07:24 PM   #34
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The wife's 2014 GT 5.0 has one from the factory....but it didn't help her against my SS the other nite
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If Chevrolet sold the CAI from the Z/28 in their performance catalog I might go for it.
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If Chevrolet sells the CAI from the Z/28 in their performance catalog I might go for it.
That's exactly what I've been thinking of doing.
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Old 10-01-2013, 11:36 AM   #37
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If Chevrolet sold the CAI from the Z/28 in their performance catalog I might go for it.
Wonder how many codes that would throw on a 3.6L or even a 6.2L for that matter, if you could even connect it?
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Old 10-01-2013, 12:25 PM   #38
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C&L and JLT CAIs are popular Mustang mods. Both increase airflow enough where a tune is required to avoid running lean and risking detonation.

But here it seems like everyone wants to avoid a tune for their Camaro and use something like a Rotofab that doesn't require one. Why is that? I can't believe its strictly that Mustang owners are okay with voiding their warranty and Camaro owners aren't.
Maybe Camaro owners are just smarter.

Seriously, voiding your warranty can cost you thousands. Is a few horsepower from an intake really worth that?
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Old 10-01-2013, 12:41 PM   #39
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Wonder how many codes that would throw on a 3.6L or even a 6.2L for that matter, if you could even connect it?
it looks like its in a similar location so if it doesnt bolt right up it probably wouldnt require much modification to work.
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Old 10-02-2013, 06:27 AM   #40
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Seriously, voiding your warranty can cost you thousands. Is a few horsepower from an intake really worth that?
A CAI does not and cannot void your warranty. That is protected under a federal law called the Magnuson Moss Act. In fact, we actually have quite a few Chevrolet Dealerships that sell and install our products.
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If Chevrolet sold the CAI from the Z/28 in their performance catalog I might go for it.
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That's exactly what I've been thinking of doing.
Why waste your money? It is STILL a stock intake. Yes, it's an open element style, but the tube still has ripples in it causing turbulence and unwanted power loss. Look at the GMPP ad someone already posted. GM wanted $450 for that abomination. It's a essentially stock box set-up painted chrome. Heck, GM would probably want $500-600 if they ever released the Z/28 set-up. You can do whatever you wish, but I'd rather buy an aftermarket unit, have better results and save some money.
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A CAI does not and cannot void your warranty. That is protected under a federal law called the Magnuson Moss Act. In fact, we actually have quite a few Chevrolet Dealerships that sell and install our products.
But the tune will void it.
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But the tune will void it.
Note: no tune is needed with CAI's CAI.

Yes, if you choose to do a tune, the tune itself will void your warranty.
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A CAI does not and cannot void your warranty. That is protected under a federal law called the Magnuson Moss Act. In fact, we actually have quite a few Chevrolet Dealerships that sell and install our products.
Is CAI Inc willing to cover the cost of any and all repairs to all Camaro5 members who purchase your product based upon your warranty statement.
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But the tune will void it.
Yeah I was referring to the tune mentioned by littlecammi, not the intake itself.
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It was some kind of a Malibu Turbo Performance Package they were showing off. I believe they had a Sonic and Cruze with similar intakes there.
You might be right about that info Chase, but the engine in the picture was of the 2.5 liter base engine, not the 2.0 liter turbo.
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You might be right about that info Chase, but the engine in the picture was of the 2.5 liter base engine, not the 2.0 liter turbo.


Thats obviously a turbo motor...

note the differences.

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I've wondered the same thing about headers. Ford used to have shorty type headers on their fox body 5.0s back in the day while GM was still using log manifolds.
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I have always thought that manufacturers error conservatively. The OEM intakes shield the intake manifold from vibration, are quiet, keep dirt out, and maintenance is straightforward. The tradeoff is 10-15 hp above 3500-4000 rpm.

The aftermarket for 4X4 Land Rover, Toyota, and others have CAIs that offer greater capacity but stand out because they filter better rising above the hood/roof into clean air and away from water. Not many owners need that capability however, so they are not OEM. Regular off road drivers think they should be.
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Is CAI Inc willing to cover the cost of any and all repairs to all Camaro5 members who purchase your product based upon your warranty statement.
No, why would we spend money on fighting dealerships that are not familiar with the law?? I am simply stating a fact, voiding a vehicles warranty due to the sheer presence of any aftermarket part is against the law. We sell thousands of Camaro intakes a year and have never had a single issue brought to our attention concerning a warranty issue.

If a dealership does something illegal than the owner of the vehicle should seek legal advice. There has been documented cases in the past regarding this law where the owner of the vehicle has brought it to court and has won. Many dealerships simply use scare tactics and the fact that there are many consumers who are unfamiliar with the law to get out of paying for repairs by using an aftermarket mod as an excuse to "void" the warranty, even though they can't legally do so.

If you or anyone else have a dealer who is trying to get out of legitimate warranty covered work by saying a warranty is voided for the simple fact that an aftermarket part is on the vehicle, without them providing proof that the damage caused was because of that aftermarket part, I would suggest getting a different dealer or seeking legal counsel.
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