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Old 07-12-2009, 08:10 PM   #1
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Inside Information Regarding SS' future -- supercharged V8

I talked to a friend today whose cousin works in Detroit as one of GMs "core designers". The way he explained it to me was that GM has a team of 200 plus designers, and less then half that carry the title of "core" designers.


I was skeptical at first as I'm sure all of you are, until he pulled up several emails. One was dated November 2004, one was dated March 2005, then there were several others of which the date I did not note. I cant recall which email it was, but it was either the November 04, or the March 05 that contained the first clay model concept of the 2010 Camaro. He has also been involved in the designing of the Chevy Volt.


Having said that, you can choose whether to believe me or not. It doesnt matter to me.


He said that right now at GM they want to make the title SuperSport live up to its name. They are talking about raising prices on the SS in the next TWO YEARS and making them more powerful. I know, I know...it seemed ludacris to me, too, but I couldnt help but believe him after seeing those emails. Apparantly there is no talk, amongst the designers at least, of a more powerful Camaro being badged a Z28.


On another note, he says there is NO talk of a turbo 4 cylinder or a more powerful 6 cylinder, either. Only talk of a supercharged 8 cylinder still being called a SuperSport.
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Old 07-12-2009, 08:48 PM   #2
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I talked to a friend today whose cousin works in Detroit as one of GMs "core designers". The way he explained it to me was that GM has a team of 200 plus designers, and less then half that carry the title of "core" designers.


I was skeptical at first as I'm sure all of you are, until he pulled up several emails. One was dated November 2004, one was dated March 2005, then there were several others of which the date I did not note. I cant recall which email it was, but it was either the November 04, or the March 05 that contained the first clay model concept of the 2010 Camaro. He has also been involved in the designing of the Chevy Volt.


Having said that, you can choose whether to believe me or not. It doesn't matter to me.


He said that right now at GM they want to make the title SuperSport live up to its name. They are talking about raising prices on the SS in the next TWO YEARS and making them more powerful. I know, I know...it seemed ludacris to me, too, but I couldnt help but believe him after seeing those emails. Apparantly there is no talk, amongst the designers at least, of a more powerful Camaro being badged a Z28.


On another note, he says there is NO talk of a turbo 4 cylinder or a more powerful 6 cylinder, either. Only talk of a supercharged 8 cylinder still being called a SuperSport.
Those emails are all pre-new CAFE rules and pre-bankruptcy. A lot has changed for Chevrolet in the last few months.

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There's no need for the sarcastic responses. Please post in a respectful manner. The OP is merely sharing info he came across, be it correct or incorrect, credible or not. Thank you.
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Let's see what happens, I don't think that should alter our purchase of a new Camaro anytime soon though. I do agree with the comment though about the email being pre GM turmoil days. As a natter of fact, GM will have to create a way to compete with the 5.0 Mustang that is due in 2010 labeled as a MY2011.
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Supercharged V8 would be Z28 territory only. Chevy would be stupid to try and sell a mass-produced suped V8 right now.
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Old 07-12-2009, 09:44 PM   #6
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Supercharged V8 would be Z28 territory only. Chevy would be stupid to try and sell a mass-produced suped V8 right now.
it'd be Z/28 Territory if the Z/28 was to be 'top dog' per se.
this sparks an age-old debate though on this site though. i'm to young to be able to have seen the original days of the camaro, but i recall a few members posts of how the SS was above the Z/28 as far as engine displacement is concerned. maybe a few more knowledgable members could chime in.

this sparks the beating of the dead horse though, everyones got their opinion on it.
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My SS 4th gen was more powerful than the Z-28 and had ram air to boot. SS ruled
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was Z 28 not a "looks package as well as a SS"
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Old 07-12-2009, 10:07 PM   #9
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this sparks an age-old debate though on this site though... i recall a few members posts of how the SS was above the Z/28 as far as engine displacement is concerned. maybe a few more knowledgable members could chime in.
I have only paid enough attention to the '69 model year so that is the only year I can answer semi-intelligently on.

In '69 Chevrolet only offered the 302 engine (DZ engine code) in the Z-28 and only the 4-speed manual transmission was available. The Z-28 was built to compete in Trans Am racing which had a 5 liter limit on displacement. It was conservatively estimated at 290 hp.

The '69 SS had four options (plus the COPO options that most dealers apparently didn't know about). It offered one small block - a 300 hp 350 c.i.d. and three hp versions of the 396 - 325, 350 and 375 hp. You could get it with a standard (manual transmission) or the automatic.

The Z-28 was built for road racing while the SS did very well (especially the COPO Camaros) at the drag strip.

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it wont happen. they are killing the v8...i look for some highperformance smaller motors to be used instead
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Old 07-12-2009, 11:01 PM   #11
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I don't think they want to overshadow the corvette, also GM is looking to move in the direction of green, unfortunately this is the opposite direction.

IMO they should offer a Z/28 with an enhanced package that is similar to the 2010 Z06 550 HP.
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it wont happen. they are killing the v8...i look for some highperformance smaller motors to be used instead
Hardly. Overreact much?

One thing I'm not clear on with the OP's post is whether the emails supporting these supercharged SS rumors were dated 5 years ago like the rest or are current. If this information is 5 years old, then yes, there was a debate whether the Z28 or SS would be more powerful. Until recently, it was settled that the SS would be the lower performance model, and the Z28, if it ever happened, would be the top performance model. Of course, Bob Lutz' latest statements have thrown this all into debate again. If this information is current, then that could support the new theory that the Z28 is once again planned to be the lower model,but since Lutz seemed to throw dirt on the notion of a GM-built supercharged Camaro I'm still doubting this.
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Old 07-13-2009, 01:07 AM   #13
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I think the ground work has already been laid by mass producing the SS. If there is a 5th Generation Z28 it will most likely be the top dog!!
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i think if a z28 is made it should have a "track pack" set up so to say...but if its gonna be more power it should be the SS all the way!!!
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it'd be Z/28 Territory if the Z/28 was to be 'top dog' per se.
this sparks an age-old debate though on this site though. i'm to young to be able to have seen the original days of the camaro, but i recall a few members posts of how the SS was above the Z/28 as far as engine displacement is concerned. maybe a few more knowledgable members could chime in.

this sparks the beating of the dead horse though, everyones got their opinion on it.

The 67 68 69 Z/28's all had 302 engines rated at 285 HP which oridgenally were made to compete in the Trans Am series racing which had a restriction on cubic inches . And although the 302 was rated at 285 , don't you believe that for a minute , Chevrolet grossly under rated HP in those day's , all you have to do is look at the componet parts in this engine to see HP had to be way more than rated at , it was a very mighty mouse . that being said the SS's were no slouch's either , they came in 350 396 or 427 cubic inches which Chev. also under rated , So who was top dog in Gen 1 , hard to say they were all awesome cars , but the Z/28 was never the biggest or the most HP , but they were a very Mighty Mouse
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It is always nice to see/hear clairvoyants in discussion about the future.....
While we are at it can you guys mull over the future of the unemployment rate in the US and whether or not the housing market will improve even more?
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Probably your cousin violated the confidentiality agreement if he is leaking this and it's true.
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Perhaps in the next couple years they'll offer the LS7 engine as an option in the SS, while keeping the LS3 standard?
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I have a simple question, where will you drive this Supercharged car at, My LS3 seems plenty fast, guess I am just old, LOL
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I have a simple question, where will you drive this Supercharged car at, My LS3 seems plenty fast, guess I am just old, LOL
I'm "young" and I agree. I see this thing getting me into enough trouble as it is. Any future higher performance model would fill a very small niche market segment of an already niche market.
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The 67 68 69 Z/28's all had 302 engines rated at 285 HP which oridgenally were made to compete in the Trans Am series racing which had a restriction on cubic inches . And although the 302 was rated at 285 , don't you believe that for a minute , Chevrolet grossly under rated HP in those day's , all you have to do is look at the componet parts in this engine to see HP had to be way more than rated at , it was a very mighty mouse . that being said the SS's were no slouch's either , they came in 350 396 or 427 cubic inches which Chev. also under rated , So who was top dog in Gen 1 , hard to say they were all awesome cars , but the Z/28 was never the biggest or the most HP , but they were a very Mighty Mouse
The 302 DZ motor in the 1st Gen was also a RPM machine. They were designed to take high RPM and I don't think that they even came alive until around 4k RPM. That's why most have 4.11 gears.

I agree that it's hard to say which was the big boy back then (other than the COPO) and it would depend on what you wanted to do. For the most part the 396/375 was the typical street beast. Although I don't see how they ever got traction from stop light to stop light on those bias ply pizza cutters they called tires. I can't get traction today when I drop the hammer and I have 255s on 17x9 wheels.

BTW: SS came in 350/295; 396/325; 396/375 (no A/C)
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Like having a ZR1 Vette, My nephew has a 05 Mustang Gt with 650 RWHP, so much that he can't put it to the road. I think the LS3 2SS is an aewsome car the way it sits, Might change the exhaust, might, just for a different note but thats about all the perforamnce mods for me, maybe in about 10 years, i'll think about mods, but who knows.
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I have a simple question, where will you drive this Supercharged car at, My LS3 seems plenty fast, guess I am just old, LOL
Track; on the back roads near my area; who knows. That's a good question though. I just want something that's going to be faster, stock, than my '02 with it's limited mods'. Give me a car that'll get into the 11s, stock, and I'll be happy. I'll find somewhere I can use that power (safely)

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I can't tell if this was just a play on the OP's words and you're kidding - or not. Just in case: Please be respectful
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Perhaps in the next couple years they'll offer the LS7 engine as an option in the SS, while keeping the LS3 standard?
For the last time, we have confirmed many times over that the LS7 will not be in any other cars and is on its way out very shortly. We need a smiley for this, as it is becoming another "not the real headlights".
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