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Old 10-05-2013, 09:49 AM   #1
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2012 AGP TT install Complete w/dyno!

Figured I would post this up for some viewing and info for others!

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Cats removed w/muffler delete

I started this journey with the intent to just do the same old cai and header back but after some long hard thought I felt like the gains would just not be near what I was looking for. I started digging around and looking at PD blowers and centri's but have always loved turbo setups. Years ago I use to play with the dsm stuff and wanted to get back into turbo setups.

I looked at the granatelli and hellion and ips stuff. After some short debate it came down to the IPS or AGP kit. From the info thats been posted on this site and all the great feedback I kept my eye out for the AGP kit. Matt @ FSP got me setup with a kit and away it went.

I tried for some time to find a shop or friend with a lift and it didnt happen. So I ended up doing this install on 2ft jack stands on all 4 corners of the car. A lift would of been nice but this worked. I probably spent 3 weeks on the install (before you jump!) many days I could not work on the car at all or just an hour or so. (New baby just months old).

Everything on the kit fit well but is a tight fit. At first I was freaked out that it just would not fit but hats off to Kevin at AGP he was awesome to help out with some questions. Im definitely a perfectionist so I tend to over think things! The snake is a little tricky to make it just right. I also had the exhaust I was worried about like posted by the other install from carbconn. The clamps that come factory on the car do work tho so far i've had no issues but could see where they think the exhaust would need extended. Either way no problems.

Anyways I just wanted to post a few pictures. Unfortunately all these pics and videos are from my phone but there not bad. Ill try to get some more up later if anyway wants. I also have a couple video's to post. Now to end my ramble.

Tuning was done in Colorado Springs ( i live in denver co ) by RMCR they are on the forums here. The guys at the shop were all awesome to work with and the owner who tuned my car was great to deal with. Answered all my questions and spent his time making sure everything was tuned properly. We did run into a small amount of false knock around the 4k range from how close the cast adapters were to the car he thought they might bump on dyno. Im going to get some stiffer motor mounts and maybe meth later and will have him retune it to check.

I did stop on the way to the tuner and picked up a zr1 3 bar map before the tune.

First pull was just under 600 to the tire with just the baseline tune adjustments in.

Next couple pulls were 620-640

These pulls were just off the wastegates. From kevins recommendations I purchased a AEM tru boost and the next pulls were at 30 and 40 % duty cycle.

658 rwhp at 6.5 lbs of boost we used this as setting A on the tru boost
688 rwhp 698 rwtq at 8 lb's of boost. this was used as setting B on the tru boost

Fuel pressures held around 58 pounds.

For now going to leave things the way they sit until I can build the block. I may add meth and exhaust next summer and the pfadt motor mounts and retune.

The trip from the tuner to my house is about 2 hours. I peaked at 29.3 mpg! avg trip was about 28 mpg !!

Anways just wanted to give a big shout out to Matt @ FSP very good guy to work with. Also Kevin @ AGP was very nice to talk to me during the install even though I annoyed him with the worrying and perfectionism he was great. And last the guys at RMCR for a great tune and great service.

I've got a couple other pictures and video's to post later. Was in a hurry and didnt have time to proof read so.. ya

Love the kit the first time I pulled on it hard was a adrenaline rush! its a awesome drive!

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Old 10-05-2013, 10:22 AM   #2
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those are awesome numbers congrats on the car....

did you run into a lot of problems in the install i wanted to do it on my own also...

and if you could post a vid of just some revs i wanna see how it sounds on the street
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Old 10-05-2013, 05:01 PM   #3
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Old 10-05-2013, 06:49 PM   #4
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Yep, Ill try to get some drive by and others. Its louder than with the cats but not excessive i like it. The blow off valve is def there! love it

Ya its a blast to drive.
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Old 10-06-2013, 01:58 PM   #5
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Bad ass!
Aftermarket exhaust and a meth inj kit would make 100+whp gain.
Nothing wrong with the stock LS3 cam, you can easily max the motor out on stock cam.
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Old 10-06-2013, 05:24 PM   #6
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Ya I'm more worried about the pistons and rings than anything. I'm probably going to build the valves and springs later before anymore hp is added. Need to think about next summer if I want to forge this block sleeve or what later. If I add meth it will just be for safety and fuel. Will def do 3" exhaust next summer.
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Old 10-06-2013, 11:37 PM   #7
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That's great to hear - I am having a split result - the car demonstrates incredible power, but there are some key issues that need to be resolved - check it out and let me know if you experienced anything similar:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...9&postcount=27
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Old 10-10-2013, 10:19 PM   #8
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Old 10-10-2013, 10:23 PM   #9
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Old 10-10-2013, 10:55 PM   #10
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^^ love the name lol
---> hammered sorry

ya.. it feels that way driving it also!! I just wanted to help out some other fellow c5 guys. If they had questions w/e. No posts for ls3 agp kits and I thought for a self install local tune 690 rwhp was nice
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Old 10-11-2013, 12:33 AM   #11
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PM me the price on the kit please, thinking of ordering me one next summer! Thanks.
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Old 10-11-2013, 08:53 AM   #12
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Old 10-11-2013, 10:46 AM   #13
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woooot... Looking good!
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Old 10-12-2013, 08:03 PM   #14
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Awesome number!!
Can you tell me WOT AFR and timing advanced please!!
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Old 10-13-2013, 12:27 AM   #15
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Agp shop car with l99 went 10.9@132 tonight in crappy 6000+ da. Not bad.
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Old 10-13-2013, 12:39 AM   #16
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That is amazing out of the box performance!
If I need more power later on (which I don't lol) I will deff do this before a supercharger
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Old 10-13-2013, 08:36 AM   #17
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ill double check afr. I watched it on the dyno and it was fine have not got too crazy on it since I picked it up. I do know the timing was only at 14*
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Agp shop car with l99 went 10.9@132 tonight in crappy 6000+ da. Not bad.

6000+ da.? What's that. How many psi were you running?
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What's the 6000 da. mean?
Density Altitude. Physical elevation plus atmospheric conditions calculated in relation to ideal conditions at sea level.

The torque curve is more concave than I would have thought. The S256 is relatively large. Most of the BW stuff likes more pressure ratio.
Still waiting to see an EFR set-up on a v8.
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Torque curves have been really dependant on tune and customer wants. Shop car made 740ft/lbs at 3k rpm. Also using a loaded dyno vs unloaded has an effect on the spool up time which makes it look like power comes on a lot later than it does on the street.
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Torque curves have been really dependant on tune and customer wants. Shop car made 740ft/lbs at 3k rpm. Also using a loaded dyno vs unloaded has an effect on the spool up time which makes it look like power comes on a lot later than it does on the street.
Yeah, unloaded Disneyjets aren't ideal for turbo.
The shop car has the same turbos, displacement,etc?
I would expect a lower boost set-up on a street car to be very fat mid-low with a good match for sure.
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Not 100% sure on which turbos. AGP would have to chime in. I was racing the shop c7 vette, and it was slow. Camaro killed it.
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Old 10-14-2013, 08:52 AM   #25
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Well a few things were playing into that graph. A little false knock was making it jump down. Things fit pretty tight and we thought they might be tapping/rubbing around that point. I was going to try alternate motor mounts later along with other goodies and will retune and see how it looks.

Also the car needs 3" exhaust for these turbo's, I would worry about it even less with the s251's but I think it would help even more with these. The exhaust and motors mounts will get done come spring. Already getting down to the 40's here.

I tried to play a little the other day when it was about 65 out was just going sideways lol

Also it would continue to build better imo with a .82 a/r as right now im running .63 which Kevin recommended I swap to the larger but since I already had the kit and was more wanting a street toy I wanted to see how the lower a/r would play on the street. Ill be running more in the mid band than upper on the street.

I was actually a little disappointed at the boost kick in, you can tell that they are there from 2k+ on the street but it does not get wild till about 3500+
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