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Old 10-06-2013, 12:00 PM   #26
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That's a good thing. Can't believe I missed this the first time. Are we celebrating the fact that the GT500 doesn't handle for crap?
I was referring to the drag strip. The 500s are making so much power that I've seen a few literally get out of hand after making a hard shift into 2nd. That's the kind of power I'm looking for. It makes for a very entertaining but challenging ride.

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Old 10-06-2013, 03:07 PM   #27
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Like what was said already, the weight is what's really keeping this car from being a much more fun ride. No doubt this would be an easy 11.7 car with just 300 lbs less weight to carry.

I wish I had gotten a manual tranny but they appear very difficult to drive. I don't think I've personally seen a stock one run quicker than 12.5s.
Seen one running consistent 12.2's stock last night M6.
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Old 10-06-2013, 03:20 PM   #28
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I was referring to the drag strip. The 500s are making so much power that I've seen a few literally get out of hand after making a hard shift into 2nd. That's the kind of power I'm looking for. It makes for a very entertaining but challenging ride.

I know that when my car finally scares me, I can then stop modding
I know what you mean, my GT500 accelerates so fast its hard to keep it straight. I love the ride of the ZL1 and its handling is superb, but in a straight line the GT500 is king in my eyes, and I'm a Chevy fan, just saying
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Old 10-06-2013, 03:21 PM   #29
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Funny, the most powerful Camaro ever produced and already it isn't enough!
But its not the fastest Camaro ever produced. Weight plays an issue with this car.
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Old 10-06-2013, 03:21 PM   #30
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Seen one running consistent 12.2's stock last night M6.
I'm not saying it can't be done, it just takes seat time. Very seldom do I ever see one at the track so obviously folks just aren't racing them.

I drove my 99 SS to 11.7s on street tires with less power and less weight. The ZL is just so heavy...
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Old 10-06-2013, 03:24 PM   #31
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stock I was not happy. I am content but not happy now. I will do headers, injectors, larger pulley this spring and see what that does for me.

who knows I might have to port the heads and run the Zr1 cam to be happy.

handling and drive I am pretty happy though. Love the way this car just soaks up any road at very high speed.


I see no point is holding on to power train waranty if your not happy with the powertrain. waranty is nice but this car is pretty meat and potatoes engine and transmission wise. if something happens It will just get bigger stronger faster.

If I would have bought the GT500 I proabably would have been content with the power but would be doing axels, clutch, suspension mods. No car is perfect. I was content with my Z06's power level but the suspension had ruthless snap oversteer at times and needed modification for sure.
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Old 10-06-2013, 03:26 PM   #32
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stock I was not happy. I am content but not happy now. I will do headers, injectors, larger pulley this spring and see what that does for me.

who knows I might have to port the heads and run the Zr1 cam to be happy.

handling and drive I am pretty happy though. Love the way this car just soaks up any road at very high speed.
Is your car a manual?
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Old 10-06-2013, 03:53 PM   #33
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I think the biggest problem is that while cars have gotten more powerful, they also have gotten a lot heavier. This really is counter productive to performance.

I drove my father-in-laws new vette yesterday. It feel so much better than my ZL1 as far as the total driving experience ,and it's a lot less power. But, it also weighs a lot less.


I can't image what a ZR1 is like. That has to be death on wheels.
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Old 10-06-2013, 04:24 PM   #34
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But its not the fastest Camaro ever produced. Weight plays an issue with this car.
Which Steet legal produced Camaro is faster?
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Old 10-06-2013, 04:46 PM   #35
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I was referring to the drag strip. The 500s are making so much power that I've seen a few literally get out of hand after making a hard shift into 2nd. That's the kind of power I'm looking for. It makes for a very entertaining but challenging ride.

I know that when my car finally scares me, I can then stop modding

Is it so much power or the rear axle?
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Old 10-06-2013, 04:55 PM   #36
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Old 10-06-2013, 05:07 PM   #37
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I go used to 700+rwhp in my 2010 SS so no im not but I never am so ill just keep modding and see what happens
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Old 10-06-2013, 05:11 PM   #38
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I may be in the extreme minority here, but the ZL1 has plenty of power for me. Not one single performance mod will be added. Not even a roto-fab CAI.This car is everything all the Car & Driver and Motortrend performance videos said it would be. Other than driving in a straight line balls out, how many of us are really capable of extracting every ounce of performance the stock LSA has to offer on a road course like the famous track that starts with an "N"?

As far as the car being heavy, I hear it all the time and not once have I ever thought about it while driving this car at a brisk pace. If I run out of gas two blocks from the Shell station, then I might have some concerns about the mass. With all that said, I really do enjoy seeing and reading all the cool stuff you guys do to these machines to make them what you'd hoped they would be. When I spent 60 grand on this car, I did so because I heard it was the baddest Camaro on the planet that you could obtain from the factory with a warranty and it will remain that for me.

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Old 10-06-2013, 05:33 PM   #39
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Did you read the thread?
I seriously doubt it considering his continued chatter...
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I dunno. I'm kinda satisfied with it. I'm past my prime for the "need for speed". That's why I opted for the 'vert. I still love the power it has, don't get me wrong, but it doesn't have to be the baddest kid on the block to appreciate it.
AGREED AT MY AGE... 63 MY ZL1 IS ALL I NEED AND MORE. WOULD I LIKE TO GO FASTER ABSOLUTELY BUT I HAVE NOTHING TO PROVE TO ANYONE EXCEPT ME. . MY 1/4 ET AND SPEED ...AS LONG AS I IMPROVE MY TIME DONT CARE IF SOMEONE IS FASTER
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...so much has been previously discussed on this topic, many do not use the search engine to query. And so it goes....
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But its not the fastest Camaro ever produced. Weight plays an issue with this car.
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Which Steet legal produced Camaro is faster?
The factory built 1969 ZL1 Camaros under COPO 9560.


For a car with a total production run of only 69, the enthusiast magazines of the era took notice. Super Stock was the first, featuring the #1 car in full AHRA trim, and another of Gibb's, believed to be #5, in the May 1969 issue. The street version ran an incredible 11.64/122 mph with open headers and small 6-1/2 inch slicks. The #1 car ran 10.29/132 mph.

I purposely posted this for you Sven59. If your talking lap times the new ZL1 would eat an old one, I was just referring to straight line speed. The 69 COPO was rare, but it was production......

I'm just having fun
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The factory built 1969 ZL1 Camaros under COPO 9560.


For a car with a total production run of only 69, the enthusiast magazines of the era took notice. Super Stock was the first, featuring the #1 car in full AHRA trim, and another of Gibb's, believed to be #5, in the May 1969 issue. The street version ran an incredible 11.64/122 mph with open headers and small 6-1/2 inch slicks. The #1 car ran 10.29/132 mph.

I purposely posted this for you Sven59. If your talking lap times the new ZL1 would eat an old one, I was just referring to straight line speed. The 69 COPO was rare, but it was production......

I'm just having fun

That's what I thought, Camaros can now turn but Mustangs still can only go straight! I want me one of those 69's but I know I could never afford one. I was thinking of maybe doing a mod to a 69 Camaro with the modern ZL1 driveline underneath. Then I could call it a ZL1.
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I was thinking of maybe doing a mod to a 69 Camaro with the modern ZL1 driveline underneath. Then I could call it a ZL1.
Great idea for a pro-touring car.
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The factory built 1969 ZL1 Camaros under COPO 9560.

For a car with a total production run of only 69, the enthusiast magazines of the era took notice. Super Stock was the first, featuring the #1 car in full AHRA trim, and another of Gibb's, believed to be #5, in the May 1969 issue. The street version ran an incredible 11.64/122 mph with open headers and small 6-1/2 inch slicks. The #1 car ran 10.29/132 mph.

I purposely posted this for you Sven59. If your talking lap times the new ZL1 would eat an old one, I was just referring to straight line speed. The 69 COPO was rare, but it was production......

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That's what I thought, Camaros can now turn but Mustangs still can only go straight! I want me one of those 69's but I know I could never afford one. I was thinking of maybe doing a mod to a 69 Camaro with the modern ZL1 driveline underneath. Then I could call it a ZL1.
Think you should also tell Sven59 that the GT500 had a quicker lap time around Laguna Seca during last years best drivers car comp?
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The factory built 1969 ZL1 Camaros under COPO 9560.

For a car with a total production run of only 69, the enthusiast magazines of the era took notice. Super Stock was the first, featuring the #1 car in full AHRA trim, and another of Gibb's, believed to be #5, in the May 1969 issue. The street version ran an incredible 11.64/122 mph with open headers and small 6-1/2 inch slicks. The #1 car ran 10.29/132 mph.

I purposely posted this for you Sven59. If your talking lap times the new ZL1 would eat an old one, I was just referring to straight line speed. The 69 COPO was rare, but it was production......

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That's what I thought, Camaros can now turn but Mustangs still can only go straight! I want me one of those 69's but I know I could never afford one. I was thinking of maybe doing a mod to a 69 Camaro with the modern ZL1 driveline underneath. Then I could call it a ZL1.

Think you should also tell Sven59 that the GT500 had a quicker lap time around Laguna Seca during last years best drivers car comp?
where is the GT500's Nurburing time? We know they ran it and then there was lightning lap.


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where is the GT500's Nurburing time? We know they ran it and then there was lightning lap.
Lightning lap was performed by hipster journalists in skinny jeans. I put my trust in Randy Pobst.
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where is the GT500's Nurburing time? We know they ran it and then there was lightning lap.

Lightning lap was performed by hipster journalists in skinny jeans. I put my trust in Randy Pobst.
Nurburing? almost every review that said the GT 500's brakes were inadequate and because of the axle it couldn't get all of its hp to the wheels. My guess it is why they went for such a high hp increase to make up for its shortcomigs in the driveline.


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Old 10-06-2013, 09:00 PM   #49
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Just saying...a manual car that you have to shift...just adds an element of "fun" to drag racing. Sitting there tapping flippers....ain't for me.
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I guess I'am old school ...made my first pass @ New England DRAGWAY in '73 and everyone was running a 4speed..the only ones running automatics were the rails with a 2 speed powerslide. Every one took pride in how well and fast they could shift without missing a gear..
There is nothing wrong with being old skool, it just doesn't make you more of a man. I'm not looking to pick a fight, but I catch $H!T all the time for having an automatic, but no one with a manual will race me. Technology is making those 'old skool' manuals a thing of the past. You can like for the sake of rememberance but they don't stand a chance against some autos or any of the DCTs. The automatic transmission of today is making the performance car almost suitable for any driver, including newbies like myself. Just think, you got guys on this forum in autos that are relatively new to the strip, smoking seasoned vets with their "old skool" manuals. You keep your nastalgia, I'll keep the money I win on the strip. Fair enough?
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