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Old 10-07-2013, 10:36 AM   #51
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I'm putting down over 700rwhp and I love it. Just add a little more power and it is one fun car.
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Old 10-07-2013, 12:42 PM   #52
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...You keep your nastalgia, I'll keep the money I win on the strip. Fair enough?
Since you claim to win on the strip, what's your best run to date?
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Old 10-07-2013, 12:58 PM   #53
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I never thought the words would would come out of my mouth but for now I'm happy with 800 whp. It is crazy..... and scary at times.. and I haven't got to the point where I mash the gas without reflexively saying OMG!!! Maybe I will get used to it some day but I hope not...

Then again if 800 whp is this fun I wonder what 850 would feel like?....
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Old 10-07-2013, 02:13 PM   #54
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Is your car a manual?
yeah it is a manual.
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Old 10-07-2013, 02:21 PM   #55
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The factory built 1969 ZL1 Camaros under COPO 9560.


For a car with a total production run of only 69, the enthusiast magazines of the era took notice. Super Stock was the first, featuring the #1 car in full AHRA trim, and another of Gibb's, believed to be #5, in the May 1969 issue. The street version ran an incredible 11.64/122 mph with open headers and small 6-1/2 inch slicks. The #1 car ran 10.29/132 mph.

I purposely posted this for you Sven59. If your talking lap times the new ZL1 would eat an old one, I was just referring to straight line speed. The 69 COPO was rare, but it was production......

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you dreaming if you you think an as delivered 69 ZL1 camaro would hold a candle to the ZL1.

they did not come from the facotry with open headers and slicks.

The ZL1 is hands down the fastest production car by a good margin.

everbody always factors in the times after people got ahold of them and added headers and put slicks on.
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Old 10-07-2013, 05:55 PM   #56
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I never thought the words would would come out of my mouth but for now I'm happy with 800 whp. It is crazy..... and scary at times.. and I haven't got to the point where I mash the gas without reflexively saying OMG!!! Maybe I will get used to it some day but I hope not...

Then again if 800 whp this is this fun I wonder what 850 would feel like?....
You have exactly the kind of power I would luv to have! If you have to stop to consider the consequences before mashing the go pedal, you know you have just enough power.
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Old 10-08-2013, 09:44 PM   #57
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Heres my take on the question at hand: Am I happy with the power. I am a modifier by nature, I've modded every car I've ever had, about every toy I have, my kids toys too, wife wont let me mod her mini-van, yet... My Z is the first new car I've ever had. And what gets me about it is that chevy really designed this car to take a beating. At the 'ring, at the strip, (how many launches did they test that prototype with no failures?). Guys are putting 700RWHP through these things, I've not heard of one rear end failure, rod failure, etc I'm sure they are out there but I'm also sure its rare.

So what that means to me is that unlike every other car I've had, if I change the fluids like I'm supposed to, I can absolutely flog this car, every day, all day, all night, rev limiter, 150+MPH, basically forever. When we mod our cars we always go for the motor, of course, which always moves the weakest link downstream, until that link fails, then we mod that till the next link fails, which of course is part of the fun, but it takes money and takes time (which I now have less of than money, and I always do my own work).

Am I content with the power? Not really, I think at 3rd gear it gets disappointing. Will I mod it? Absolutely but probably not for a couple of years.

But am I content with the car? Absolutely! Just knowing the enormous safety factor built into the components of this car and the freedom it gives me to drive this car like I stole it at will is enough to keep the mod virus at bay. Dam* good job chevy, dam* good.
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Old 10-08-2013, 09:58 PM   #58
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You guys are nuts..............580HP...I can only wish. lol
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Old 10-08-2013, 10:02 PM   #59
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I get sick of hearing people bashing on auto's, 90% of the cars I've had where stick and believe me I loved driving them and did very well at tracks with them but for once a auto just sounded like something alittle different for me, I like to change it up. Nobody around my area that knows me would ever say I got a auto cause I can't drive a stick, they know thats not the case.
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Old 10-08-2013, 10:12 PM   #60
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if I change the fluids like I'm supposed to, I can absolutely flog this car, every day, all day, all night, rev limiter, 150+MPH, basically forever.
I think at 3rd gear it gets disappointing.
Answer to your first part is yes can until your warranty runs out. On your second part I agree with your observation about third gear. What solves that is a CAI.
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Old 10-08-2013, 10:14 PM   #61
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You don't need more HP to go sideways in 2nd, 3rd or ... 4th...
If thats your goal, just put some narrow tires on the back and the hair will raise up just the same and cost you plenty less.

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Old 10-08-2013, 10:30 PM   #62
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I'm happy with 580rwhp for now.. eventually I want to do heads and cam, then I'll be done. I'm looking to buy a C5 Z06 to build. LSX 427CI Twin Turbo!
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If one owns a ZL1, an easy observation is that you can lose traction in first or second gear stock. Not so much third or fourth on the street, depending on how you push the car, within reason. And there is no reason to do that on the street. The car, stock, has too much balls to keep one from doing that. However, there is quite a bit of restriction within the factory airbox that blocks an even flow of air through the motor in the upper gears. An aftermarket CAI unlocks the power curve throughout all four gears more efficiently.
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Old 10-11-2013, 02:37 PM   #64
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If one owns a ZL1, an easy observation is that you can lose traction in first or second gear stock. Not so much third or fourth on the street, depending on how you push the car, within reason. And there is no reason to do that on the street. The car, stock, has too much balls to keep one from doing that. However, there is quite a bit of restriction within the factory airbox that blocks an even flow of air through the motor in the upper gears. An aftermarket CAI unlocks the power curve throughout all four gears more efficiently.
I have tried and track tested an aftermarket CAI with no gains whatsoever. Given several times to the track in comparable weather conditions to the stock setup, no gains have been seen. I will wait for a day when I can test them both to determine if/what gains can be seen. I believe a tune will be necessary to extract the most out of all aftermarket CAI setups...even in cases when a code hasn't been thrown. I could be wrong though...I usually am. lol!
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Old 10-11-2013, 09:30 PM   #65
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The factory built 1969 ZL1 Camaros under COPO 9560.


For a car with a total production run of only 69, the enthusiast magazines of the era took notice. Super Stock was the first, featuring the #1 car in full AHRA trim, and another of Gibb's, believed to be #5, in the May 1969 issue. The street version ran an incredible 11.64/122 mph with open headers and small 6-1/2 inch slicks. The #1 car ran 10.29/132 mph.

I purposely posted this for you Sven59. If your talking lap times the new ZL1 would eat an old one, I was just referring to straight line speed. The 69 COPO was rare, but it was production......

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you dreaming if you you think an as delivered 69 ZL1 camaro would hold a candle to the ZL1.

they did not come from the facotry with open headers and slicks.

The ZL1 is hands down the fastest production car by a good margin.

everybody always factors in the times after people got ahold of them and added headers and put slicks on.
I guess because back then we had no computers and everyone put headers on, also you have to remember that those times, even with headers were with 3 speed transmissions, and solid rear axels, not the fancy autos with IRS we have today. We have more horsepower today but we have to drag the weight around. Those old cars did not have the horsepower, but they did not have the weight so it kind of equalizes out. We are just talking straight line. If you think about, its quite amazing that one of these 45 year old cars with a set of headers and slicks can beat a new car
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Old 10-11-2013, 09:43 PM   #66
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Gooooooo, 1LT's! 323 HP BooYah baby! I'm happy with it lol. If your not happy with the ZL1 save up, and get a Bugatti, plenty of HP. You won't ever reach its full HP capabilities anyways. Unless you have balls of steel and a really long runway, perhaps the one in Fast & Furious 6...
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Old 10-11-2013, 11:21 PM   #67
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If your not happy with the ZL1 save up, and get a Bugatti, plenty of HP. You won't ever reach its full HP capabilities anyways. Unless you have balls of steel and a really long runway, perhaps the one in Fast & Furious 6...
You don't need to have a million dollar street car to run with a Veyron.

Heck a stock engined Boss 302 with a Kenne Bell Supercharger and 18" DR's will beat a Bugatti in the 1/4 and run 202+ in the standing mile

http://youtu.be/0nJiKYZ-th4
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5th gens camaro's and AMG's can also do the same, I was just listing the cheapest new car option.
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I am truly happy with the ZL1. I mod it just for kicks and if for whatever reason I couldn't add anything to it I'd sit back and hope the fun never ends.
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Old 10-12-2013, 12:32 PM   #69
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You don't need to have a million dollar street car to run with a Veyron.

Heck a stock engined Boss 302 with a Kenne Bell Supercharger and 18" DR's will beat a Bugatti in the 1/4 and run 202+ in the standing mile

http://youtu.be/0nJiKYZ-th4
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5th gens camaro's and AMG's can also do the same, I was just listing the cheapest new car option.
You do know the Bugatti Veyron did 267.856 for it's top speed? Put the Veyron on DR's and see what happens?
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You don't need to have a million dollar street car to run with a Veyron.

Heck a stock engined Boss 302 with a Kenne Bell Supercharger and 18" DR's will beat a Bugatti in the 1/4 and run 202+ in the standing mile

http://youtu.be/0nJiKYZ-th4
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5th gens camaro's and AMG's can also do the same, I was just listing the cheapest new car option.
Not gonna happen... Bugatti will hand that car it's tail.
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Not gonna happen... Bugatti will hand that car it's tail.
Eh ... The Bugatti will trap lower and run about the same times
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You do know the Bugatti Veyron did 267.856 for it's top speed?
Yes I know that the Veyron can hit 260+mph with 5 miles of road, but many other cars can keep it in the rear view in a 1/4 and standing mile and speeds up to 210mph.

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Put the Veyron on DR's and see what happens?

Ya, it would probably blow a tire during its 5 mile run to 260+mph.

Veyron doesn't need DR's because it already has AWD, weighs 4,200lbs and doesn't spin when clicking of sub 3 second 0-60. It probably wouldn't be as safe compared to its factory tires which are certified for it's weight/time at speed.
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Cool and fun cars just as they are. However, for the Hi-Performance Junkies there is much more to be attained.

Once you've had the big HP its very difficult to live with going bacwards : )

The NicKey Stage I option adds 100 rwhp and our Stage II better than 200 rwhp.

I can remember when Camaros only had 200rwhp or less!

I'm not saying this as a shop owner, but as a ZL-1 owner.
...that's what it's all about, the rush.

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I have tried and track tested an aftermarket CAI with no gains whatsoever. Given several times to the track in comparable weather conditions to the stock setup, no gains have been seen. I will wait for a day when I can test them both to determine if/what gains can be seen. I believe a tune will be necessary to extract the most out of all aftermarket CAI setups...even in cases when a code hasn't been thrown. I could be wrong though...I usually am. lol!
Gotcha, but mine are a seat of the pants observation, if you have any real time test results please post them. My obeservations are from personal driving under load and HP operaton since day one.
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Old 10-15-2013, 06:14 PM   #74
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...that's what it's all about, the rush.

Gotcha, but mine are a seat of the pants observation, if you have any real time test results please post them. My obeservations are from personal driving under load and HP operaton since day one.
Mine felt quicker after the install, too, but the track numbers showed different. I've seen dyno numbers showing a 30 rwhp gain, but my track numbers didn't agree.
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Old 10-15-2013, 07:56 PM   #75
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These cars feel so smooth that they don't feel like 580hp in my opinion. And the weight doesn't help either.
My SS felt a whole lot faster than the ZL1 does, a whole lot. And it was only 430rwhp.

That said, I'm ready for a bit more power too.
i felt that way too. in fact every time i drove the SS after the Z i would think it was jumpier, more responsive. i think its because of the bigger throttle body on the SS. put the 2 cars side by side and it suddenly doesn't seem the SS is so quick as the Z pulls away
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