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Old 10-08-2013, 10:06 AM   #1
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Squeaky Brakes Driving me Insane!!!! Dealer Says...

These Brembos are the most squeakiest brakes ever!!..Had the dealer look at them and they stated that nothing is wrong with them. Its the nature of the beast on all Brembo brakes. They called it glazing and suggested that I let them resurface the rotors for $180 a piece!!!.. Then the service tech told me that I can go to an empty parking lot, drive fast in reverse and slam on the brakes and repeat 3 times and that will fix it...
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Old 10-08-2013, 10:39 AM   #2
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Four pot fronts were added to the Camaro late in the development game. Brembo and GM both felt they had sufficient experience with the brakes and were confident the combination would present no unusual issues. They were about 98% correct. The brakes and pads are among the best combination for street and track available. Unfortunately, there is a squeal than many Camaro owners found unacceptable. The fix is to add mass to the caliper. Stick-on wheel weights were added to the calipers followed by roller skates on the pads to add mass and reduce the noise.

Some owners have had success using brake caliper lube on the backing plates

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For all of you out there who have been frustrated by GM's failed attempts (caliper weights, roller-skate pads, etc.) to cure the annoying brake squeal that afflicts so many of our Camaros, I promise this will do the trick. It's inexpensive (about $30) and quick (two to three beers max). It's also easy, even for novice wrench turners. Do it once, do it right, and say good-bye to that embarrassing cacophony that emanates from your wheels every time you stop.

These are the only items you need to purchase:

1. Caliper Bolts (FRONT) - GM P/N 11570788 M14 x 2.0 x 56.5

2. Caliper Bolts (REAR) - GM P/N 11515781 M12 x 1.75 x 60

3. Permatex ULTRA DISC BRAKE CALIPER LUBE - Item #24110
Brake squeal is the result of two hard surfaces rubbing against each other. To reduce the squeal the only option is to install a softer pad. Softer pads generate less noise because they produce less friction. Go to any local autocross or road course and listen to the brakes squeal. You'll find true enthusiasts that understand what makes for good braking. The squeal from their brakes tells all those in the know that this is a serious car, with serious brakes and a serious owner.

BTW: Ignore the backing up three times suggestion.
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Old 10-08-2013, 11:49 AM   #3
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i actually JUST had a guard at the gate tell me i need some new brakes. i just laughed and said "it needs something...not sure what" lol. its annoying but i guess ive just gotten used to it.
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Old 10-08-2013, 01:02 PM   #4
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My dealer replaced my pads a few months ago and not once have they squeaked. Guess I'm lucky
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You'll find true enthusiasts that understand what makes for good braking. The squeal from their brakes tells all those in the know that this is a serious car, with serious brakes and a serious owner.
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Old 10-08-2013, 01:50 PM   #6
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My dealer replaced my pads a few months ago and not once have they squeaked. Guess I'm lucky
I wish they did the same for me...
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Old 10-08-2013, 01:52 PM   #7
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I know its like comparing apples to oranges...But I used to own a 350Z with Brembos and they never squealed or squeaked....
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Old 10-08-2013, 01:54 PM   #8
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Hi sonnydurden,

If you would like us to research further, we would be happy to locate a different dealership for a second opinion. You may send us a private message at any time with your contact information and VIN!

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These Brembos are the most squeakiest brakes ever!!..Had the dealer look at them and they stated that nothing is wrong with them. Its the nature of the beast on all Brembo brakes. They called it glazing and suggested that I let them resurface the rotors for $180 a piece!!!.. Then the service tech told me that I can go to an empty parking lot, drive fast in reverse and slam on the brakes and repeat 3 times and that will fix it...
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Old 10-08-2013, 02:04 PM   #9
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I know its like comparing apples to oranges...But I used to own a 350Z with Brembos and they never squealed or squeaked....
True, but there are no magazine tests of the 5th Gen Camaro that end in brake failure and impact damage.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...-lightning-lap

What was unnerving to this driver, having just survived the most terrifying experience in a 15-year driving life, was that Nissan officials from Japan weren’t at all surprised. They matter-of-factly reported that the Z’s stock brake pads were designed primarily for low noise and low dust, and not for racetrack situations. It’s our view, however—and we don’t think we’re alone—that the NISMO Z, an even sportier version of a sports car, should be equipped with brakes competent enough to survive a few hot laps.

Your 5th Gen shipped with the best combination street track pad available. Noise is a consequence of function. Performance brake pads make noise. Performance brake pads make dust. Less noise, less dust = Less brake Function.
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Old 10-08-2013, 02:59 PM   #10
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Pete, stopping is highly overrated....I want quiet....LOL

Contact Tyler at JDP Motorsports and get some Hawk Ceramic brake pads...they will work just like the 350Z when you get them really hot, but they are definitely quieter...
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These Brembos are the most squeakiest brakes ever!!..Had the dealer look at them and they stated that nothing is wrong with them. Its the nature of the beast on all Brembo brakes. They called it glazing and suggested that I let them resurface the rotors for $180 a piece!!!.. Then the service tech told me that I can go to an empty parking lot, drive fast in reverse and slam on the brakes and repeat 3 times and that will fix it...
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My dealer replaced my pads a few months ago and not once have they squeaked. Guess I'm lucky
Squealing is the nature of performance metallic pads such as the ones the Camaro uses. Getting the dealer to replace them is pointless as they too will squeal eventually.

If you want to get rid of the squeal you can either, 1) buy a set of low noise pads such as the Hawk Ceramics or 2) follow a brake bedding procedure. Bedding the brakes is temporary and will only last for 3-4 months before it has to be done again.
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Old 10-08-2013, 07:42 PM   #12
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On mine theu would usually squeal on slow brak
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Old 10-08-2013, 07:45 PM   #13
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On mine they would usually squeal when soft braking on hard braking they were quiet I bought some hawk hps pads better braking and almost zero squeal and a lot less dust I would highly recommend
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True, but there are no magazine tests of the 5th Gen Camaro that end in brake failure and impact damage.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...-lightning-lap

What was unnerving to this driver, having just survived the most terrifying experience in a 15-year driving life, was that Nissan officials from Japan weren’t at all surprised. They matter-of-factly reported that the Z’s stock brake pads were designed primarily for low noise and low dust, and not for racetrack situations. It’s our view, however—and we don’t think we’re alone—that the NISMO Z, an even sportier version of a sports car, should be equipped with brakes competent enough to survive a few hot laps.

Your 5th Gen shipped with the best combination street track pad available. Noise is a consequence of function. Performance brake pads make noise. Performance brake pads make dust. Less noise, less dust = Less brake Function.
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But the brakes were low noise and low dust
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Old 10-09-2013, 12:16 PM   #16
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On mine they would usually squeal when soft braking on hard braking they were quiet I bought some hawk hps pads better braking and almost zero squeal and a lot less dust I would highly recommend
I hope that's the case. Have some brand new hawk HPS pads ima install now with my new rotors hope they don't squeal
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Old 10-09-2013, 12:55 PM   #17
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On mine they would usually squeal when soft braking on hard braking they were quiet I bought some hawk hps pads better braking and almost zero squeal and a lot less dust I would highly recommend
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I hope that's the case. Have some brand new hawk HPS pads ima install now with my new rotors hope they don't squeal
Guys,

Better braking with less dust and less noise is a fairy tale. Brakes work by friction. The more friction they create, the more dust they create. You bought a performance automobile with the best combination street / track pads available. There are only two ways you can go from there. Less noise, less dust, less braking pads or more noise, more dust, improved braking.

Brakes are a ZERO SUM equation.
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Better braking with less dust and less noise is a fairy tale. Brakes work by friction. The more friction they create, the more dust they create. You bought a performance automobile with the best combination street / track pads available. There are only two ways you can go from there. Less noise, less dust, less braking pads or more noise, more dust, improved braking.

Brakes are a ZERO SUM equation.
Really blow their minds and tell them how a significant portion of the dust is the rotor
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Really blow their minds and tell them how a significant portion of the dust is the rotor
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Old 10-09-2013, 01:36 PM   #20
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There was a service bulletin regarding this issue in 2011. I had the same problem and the dealership installed roller skates at no charge. They never squeaked again.
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Old 10-09-2013, 01:40 PM   #21
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You want racing brakes on the street then you need to put up with a little squeal.

You could always trade a V6 for theirs plus cash

I love it when someone says I need a brake job,I just grin.
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Old 10-09-2013, 02:43 PM   #22
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These Brembos are the most squeakiest brakes ever!!..Had the dealer look at them and they stated that nothing is wrong with them. Its the nature of the beast on all Brembo brakes. They called it glazing and suggested that I let them resurface the rotors for $180 a piece!!!.. Then the service tech told me that I can go to an empty parking lot, drive fast in reverse and slam on the brakes and repeat 3 times and that will fix it...
$180 a piece for resurfacing?? WOW! You can get new rotors for less than that and would likely be a better option.

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Pete, stopping is highly overrated....I want quiet....LOL

Contact Tyler at JDP Motorsports and get some Hawk Ceramic brake pads...they will work just like the 350Z when you get them really hot, but they are definitely quieter...
Thanks for the recommendation!
Stock pads are great all around pads, but they are a bit too dusty and noisy for many Camaro owners. I think Pete sometimes overlooks the fact that some SS's will never see the track or conditions where that kind of braking is needed. Ceramic pads are good for street use or a show car, but I still prefer the HPS pads for street/somewhat aggressive driving.

Feel free to shoot me a PM or give me a call and we'll get ya setup.

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Old 10-09-2013, 04:37 PM   #23
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The Camaro5 forum is an important source of information to 5th Gen Camaro owners. They deserve the best possible information. In our current PC world we find the engineers at Nissan telling a magazine after an accident the brake pads on a performance model were specified to be low dust and low noise because it will appeal to the customer, when they should be telling the customers this is a performance car. The brakes are dirty and loud. Deal with it. Our dust less, squeal less , function less pads are on the Leaf.

I don't believe it is prudent to install any part on a car that lowers the functional capabilities it had when it left the factory. Squeal less, dust less brake pads fall into the category of function less. Read through the threads about brake squeal. You'll find post after post after post that my new dust less, squeal less brake pads stop better. They don't.
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Old 10-09-2013, 04:53 PM   #24
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In some countries, I've heard that car owners prefer having squeaky brakes so they know they are working

Also, even the most high-end cars will have squeaky brakes, it's part of the game!

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Old 10-09-2013, 07:59 PM   #25
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I am having the same issue. I've had my 2011 SS convertible to the dealership three times for the brakes and they also tell me that there isn't anything wrong, but they could resurface the rotors for $180 each. It's so embarrassing pulling up to a traffic light or going into the gate on post where I work and hearing the squealing! For such an expensive vehicle, this issue should not be an issue.
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