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Old 10-09-2013, 02:00 PM   #18
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Better braking with less dust and less noise is a fairy tale. Brakes work by friction. The more friction they create, the more dust they create. You bought a performance automobile with the best combination street / track pads available. There are only two ways you can go from there. Less noise, less dust, less braking pads or more noise, more dust, improved braking.

Brakes are a ZERO SUM equation.
Really blow their minds and tell them how a significant portion of the dust is the rotor
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Old 10-09-2013, 02:23 PM   #19
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Really blow their minds and tell them how a significant portion of the dust is the rotor
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Old 10-09-2013, 02:36 PM   #20
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There was a service bulletin regarding this issue in 2011. I had the same problem and the dealership installed roller skates at no charge. They never squeaked again.
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Old 10-09-2013, 02:40 PM   #21
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You want racing brakes on the street then you need to put up with a little squeal.

You could always trade a V6 for theirs plus cash

I love it when someone says I need a brake job,I just grin.
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Old 10-09-2013, 03:43 PM   #22
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These Brembos are the most squeakiest brakes ever!!..Had the dealer look at them and they stated that nothing is wrong with them. Its the nature of the beast on all Brembo brakes. They called it glazing and suggested that I let them resurface the rotors for $180 a piece!!!.. Then the service tech told me that I can go to an empty parking lot, drive fast in reverse and slam on the brakes and repeat 3 times and that will fix it...
$180 a piece for resurfacing?? WOW! You can get new rotors for less than that and would likely be a better option.

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Pete, stopping is highly overrated....I want quiet....LOL

Contact Tyler at JDP Motorsports and get some Hawk Ceramic brake pads...they will work just like the 350Z when you get them really hot, but they are definitely quieter...
Thanks for the recommendation!
Stock pads are great all around pads, but they are a bit too dusty and noisy for many Camaro owners. I think Pete sometimes overlooks the fact that some SS's will never see the track or conditions where that kind of braking is needed. Ceramic pads are good for street use or a show car, but I still prefer the HPS pads for street/somewhat aggressive driving.

Feel free to shoot me a PM or give me a call and we'll get ya setup.

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Old 10-09-2013, 05:37 PM   #23
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The Camaro5 forum is an important source of information to 5th Gen Camaro owners. They deserve the best possible information. In our current PC world we find the engineers at Nissan telling a magazine after an accident the brake pads on a performance model were specified to be low dust and low noise because it will appeal to the customer, when they should be telling the customers this is a performance car. The brakes are dirty and loud. Deal with it. Our dust less, squeal less , function less pads are on the Leaf.

I don't believe it is prudent to install any part on a car that lowers the functional capabilities it had when it left the factory. Squeal less, dust less brake pads fall into the category of function less. Read through the threads about brake squeal. You'll find post after post after post that my new dust less, squeal less brake pads stop better. They don't.
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Old 10-09-2013, 05:53 PM   #24
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In some countries, I've heard that car owners prefer having squeaky brakes so they know they are working

Also, even the most high-end cars will have squeaky brakes, it's part of the game!

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Old 10-09-2013, 08:59 PM   #25
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I am having the same issue. I've had my 2011 SS convertible to the dealership three times for the brakes and they also tell me that there isn't anything wrong, but they could resurface the rotors for $180 each. It's so embarrassing pulling up to a traffic light or going into the gate on post where I work and hearing the squealing! For such an expensive vehicle, this issue should not be an issue.
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Old 10-09-2013, 09:29 PM   #26
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I am having the same issue. I've had my 2011 SS convertible to the dealership three times for the brakes and they also tell me that there isn't anything wrong, but they could resurface the rotors for $180 each. It's so embarrassing pulling up to a traffic light or going into the gate on post where I work and hearing the squealing! For such an expensive vehicle, this issue should not be an issue.
It isn't an issue. It is good brakes.
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Old 10-09-2013, 11:55 PM   #27
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JusticePete is correct about performance brakes squealing, but you can mitigate the noise greatly if you'll follow these steps:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...=189890&page=1
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Old 10-10-2013, 12:09 AM   #28
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No Squeak here till i needed new pads. replaced and no squeak
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Old 10-10-2013, 10:42 AM   #29
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I hope that's the case. Have some brand new hawk HPS pads ima install now with my new rotors hope they don't squeal
In my experience with three different cars, Hawk's HPS have proven to be relatively low-dust and generally quiet. The only noise I've heard has come from bits of grit that managed to get trapped between a pad and the rotor. A couple of hard stops normally fixes this.


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Really blow their minds and tell them how a significant portion of the dust is the rotor
No lie. As anybody who might be running HP+ pads on the street would soon discover (along with stronger initial bite than you'd ever think could result from only a pad change).


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Stock pads are great all around pads, but they are a bit too dusty and noisy for many Camaro owners. I think Pete sometimes overlooks the fact that some SS's will never see the track or conditions where that kind of braking is needed. Ceramic pads are good for street use or a show car, but I still prefer the HPS pads for street/somewhat aggressive driving.
If it could be guaranteed that a driver will never need all of the braking performance he can scare up from the way his/her car is equipped I *might* be able to let that go. However, I've found out over the last 50 years of my own driving and somewhere between 5 and 10 more riding with my Dad that about once per set of tires you'll be glad you put performance absolutely ahead of subjective considerations such as dust, noise, or tire treadwear rates. Either that or you'll find it too late to be wishing you had.

I wouldn't put ceramics on anything but a show car that would be rarely driven otherwise.

The HPS level is kind of a minimum for street or dual purpose street/occasional autocross (and I would guess street/strip to be an HPS situation as well), but that's about the limit for those pads. Street = reasonably sane street driving here . . .


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Old 10-10-2013, 02:40 PM   #30
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Pete, stopping is highly overrated....I want quiet....LOL

Contact Tyler at JDP Motorsports and get some Hawk Ceramic brake pads...they will work just like the 350Z when you get them really hot, but they are definitely quieter...
Thanks man Will do!!!
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But the brakes were low noise and low dust
Whoa...yeah I would rather stay loud and safe...
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Old 10-10-2013, 02:45 PM   #32
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$180 a piece for resurfacing?? WOW! You can get new rotors for less than that and would likely be a better option.

Thanks for the recommendation!
Stock pads are great all around pads, but they are a bit too dusty and noisy for many Camaro owners. I think Pete sometimes overlooks the fact that some SS's will never see the track or conditions where that kind of braking is needed. Ceramic pads are good for street use or a show car, but I still prefer the HPS pads for street/somewhat aggressive driving.

Feel free to shoot me a PM or give me a call and we'll get ya setup.

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Yep Tyler is cool...He sold me my Magnaflow exhaust and PFadt springs...I guess I will be on their website for brake pads!!!
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Old 10-10-2013, 03:04 PM   #33
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JusticePete, if the squealing bothers me, then it IS an issue. I am going to show KMCD's posts to my service guy at my dealership and see if he will consider his suggestions.
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Old 10-10-2013, 04:38 PM   #34
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JusticePete, if the squealing bothers me, then it IS an issue. I am going to show KMCD's posts to my service guy at my dealership and see if he will consider his suggestions.
Disclaimer: I do NOT sell brakes. I only post in threads like this to provide accurate information and to dispel myths and disinformation.

You identified two issues in your original post within this thread. I replied to one.

1. The brakes make noise. The brakes are doing exactly what they should be doing. Nothing is wrong with them. There is no issue with the brakes.

2. You don't like brake noise and find it embarrassing on an expensive car. That is your perception. It impacts your level of satisfaction with your Vert which should be a concern to Chevrolet and your Dealer. Hopefully, your Dealer and Chevrolet can find a way to satisfy you.

GM vehicles frequently are critiqued for brake noise, because GM puts so much focus on brake function. Here is a prime example of the difference between how GM views brakes and Ford.

But wait, there's a catch. You see, Randy had another observation about the Shelby. "The brakes just don't generate confidence. They're not enough to stop this car on a racetrack. On the street, they're probably fine. But the Camaro brakes do stop the car." While the Mustang was a half-second faster around the track than the ZL1 on its best lap, it couldn't repeat the performance. By the end of the first lap, the brakes had already begun to heat up so badly, we could smell them from the pits as the car passed by on the front straight.

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz2hLwlE75L

We know Nissan thinks the same way as Ford, even on their NISMO performance vehicles. Customers want low noise and low dust so they give it to them. I completely disagree with that approach. The companies building performance vehicles need to educate their sales staff, service departments and customers so they understand why their performance car brakes make noise and other vehicles do not. Education up front is better than a goodwill gesture with a dissatisfied owner.

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