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Old 07-14-2009, 12:37 PM   #18
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Well, lets put it this way, on a really good day I cut a 14.66 with a cold air intake and exhaust. The v6 camaro will run that, or maybe better than that stock.

The V6 Camaro will beat a V6 Mustang all day long.

If you can only get 14.66 with a CAI and exhaust looks like you need driver mod BAD.

There's NO way a V6 Camaro should beat ANY Mustang GT.
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Old 07-14-2009, 12:52 PM   #19
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The V6 Camaro will beat a V6 Mustang all day long.

If you can only get 14.66 with a CAI and exhaust looks like you need driver mod BAD.

There's NO way a V6 Camaro should beat ANY Mustang GT.
He's talking about running a V6 Mustang with just a CAI (untuned) and exhaust at 14.66... that's great! Stock a S197 V6 is going to be low 15s...

Yep... shouldn't have happened but it did... stuff happens... you just never know... Heck I remember at one NMRA event guy with a GT500 barely got into the 14's! His first pass was in the 15s....

And actually I was at the track Sunday... guy was running a new edge GT... Don't think he ever got out of the 15's... My best was 14.62... worst was 14.9...
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Old 07-14-2009, 01:01 PM   #20
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Bracket racing is not racing. Sorry, that's my story and I am sticking to it. Hell, I could have raced my pontiac lemans, with its whopping 92HP and constantly ran 16.5 all day long. Whooop ! Its a race car ! Um no. Hell there is a guy who comes out in a painted pinto......decals and all.....loud exhaust...and runs 16.0 flat every time. He has won every time out. He will laugh and tell you, "hell no this is not a race car !!!" Its just fun to beat people with real cars in the bracket section ! Then he laughs and go gets food.

You can technically race ANY car. Hell you can race a mini van. But yes there is more to racing than HP, and there is more to racing a car besides HP as well. There called brakes, tranny, suspension....All of those wonderful things that help your car down the track.

So you ran a 12.85 in your V6.......That's a hell of a V6 and it could not be anywhere near stock. So my point still stands. If you going to run a v6 stang, its going to be modded. The v6 in stock form is pitiful. There is nothing stout about that 4.0 in stock form. If you have a vid of a stock v6 running hell...in the 13's heck even high 13's I would like to see it. Because at our track, I have never seen it happen.
So by your standard unless you car is turning 9's i wouldn't really consider it a race car??? You take your car to the track and you run it on a race track, then it's a race car... period... Heck look at those terrible years when the big V8's made a lot less HP/TQ...

As for my car... no not stock... BUT... friend with a 4.0 went like 13.89 ( I know it was in the 13's) on a N/A 4.0L!!! I have the video some where and will find it when I get home...
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Old 07-14-2009, 01:03 PM   #21
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He's talking about running a V6 Mustang with just a CAI (untuned) and exhaust at 14.66... that's great! Stock a S197 V6 is going to be low 15s...
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My bad, looking at his pic, his car has a GT front grill.
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Old 07-14-2009, 01:25 PM   #22
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V6 Mustangs (and likewise V6 Challengers) weren't really made to stand on their own. They've got pep, but Ford was operating under the assumption that anyone who REALLY cared about going fast would buy a V8. Chevy took the V6 more seriously. With any luck that'll encourage Ford to treat their V6 more seriously in the next generations too, but for now, you have the higher performance car.
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So by your standard unless you car is turning 9's i wouldn't really consider it a race car??? You take your car to the track and you run it on a race track, then it's a race car... period... Heck look at those terrible years when the big V8's made a lot less HP/TQ...

As for my car... no not stock... BUT... friend with a 4.0 went like 13.89 ( I know it was in the 13's) on a N/A 4.0L!!! I have the video some where and will find it when I get home...
No, you do not have to turn 9's but really....if your going to run your car, and I mean truly run your car, even if its twice a month, its not going to stay bone stock. That is what I am trying to get across. People do not call there BONE STOCK DAILY DRIVERS race cars. Hell even if it's a v8. People mod cars for a reason. And no stock older or s197 v6 mustang should ever be considered as a race car.
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Old 07-14-2009, 01:54 PM   #24
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the best answer to this and will resolve the problem is that your race your friend and smoke him i would do that
That's what i say too....smoke his @ss!
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Old 07-14-2009, 03:25 PM   #25
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No, you do not have to turn 9's but really....if your going to run your car, and I mean truly run your car, even if its twice a month, its not going to stay bone stock. That is what I am trying to get across. People do not call there BONE STOCK DAILY DRIVERS race cars. Hell even if it's a v8. People mod cars for a reason. And no stock older or s197 v6 mustang should ever be considered as a race car.
What are you talking about... My V6 daily driver looked totally bone stock!



It was my daily driver (365 days... even in Michigan snow!) It was my show car... and my race car! LOL




And by the way... here's the video... the car in question is the blue one with the wide stripe... this is on a stock 4.0L motor!!! Bolt-ons yes, but no FI... strictly all motor... 13.89@97! The run in question is about 1/2 way through the video...

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V6 Mustangs (and likewise V6 Challengers) weren't really made to stand on their own. They've got pep, but Ford was operating under the assumption that anyone who REALLY cared about going fast would buy a V8. Chevy took the V6 more seriously. With any luck that'll encourage Ford to treat their V6 more seriously in the next generations too, but for now, you have the higher performance car.
Next generation? How about next year? The base Mustang will have a 3.7 making at the very least 270hp and probably more like 280hp or so. It probably won't make as much hp as the Camaro V6 but it will weigh less. It should give it a good run.
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Old 07-14-2009, 05:43 PM   #27
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Tell her that 4.0 engine came out of a freaking Ford Ranger. And if she still won't believe you, find a drag strip and end it once and for all!
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Next generation? How about next year? The base Mustang will have a 3.7 making at the very least 270hp and probably more like 280hp or so. It probably won't make as much hp as the Camaro V6 but it will weigh less. It should give it a good run.
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Next generation? How about next year? The base Mustang will have a 3.7 making at the very least 270hp and probably more like 280hp or so. It probably won't make as much hp as the Camaro V6 but it will weigh less. It should give it a good run.
Ford blew it.. should have gone with the 3.5 Ecoboost! And personally I cannot stand the rear end on the 2010... Hence my new Camaro!
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Ford blew it.. should have gone with the 3.5 Ecoboost! And personally I cannot stand the rear end on the 2010... Hence my new Camaro!
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Ford blew it.. should have gone with the 3.5 Ecoboost! And personally I cannot stand the rear end on the 2010... Hence my new Camaro!
The 3.7 is perfect for a base engine. There's no way in hell Ford would put a twin turbo V6 in a $21k Mustang.
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The 3.7 is perfect for a base engine. There's no way in hell Ford would put a twin turbo V6 in a $21k Mustang.
This. Ford will not do that to themselves. They will leave that engine for the MKZ's and the new SHO. Putting that in a v6 Stang could possibly hurt v8 sales. I mean even in the camaro world, would you buy a TTV6 making 400hp or a N/A v8 making lets say 440 ?
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Old 07-15-2009, 09:53 AM   #33
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Camero Vs. Mustang

car and driver did a comparison test of the v6 camero and the new v6 mustang beacause of the horsepower the camero smokes the mustang even with the extra 300 pounds tel that mustang guy he has no clue what he's talking about and that we need to settle this once and for all on a 1/4 mile strip where we can get up from 0 - 75 and see who wins.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...6:z0&ID=loomia or even this one http://www.motortrend.com/multimedia...ons/index.html

this is a cool one iots a side by side comparison they run the cars on computer by specs
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Old 07-15-2009, 10:07 AM   #34
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This. Ford will not do that to themselves. They will leave that engine for the MKZ's and the new SHO. Putting that in a v6 Stang could possibly hurt v8 sales. I mean even in the camaro world, would you buy a TTV6 making 400hp or a N/A v8 making lets say 440 ?
The Ecoboost is more in the 350HP range... would have been a nice option and a nice leap frog...
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