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Old 07-02-2014, 08:18 PM   #1
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69 Z/28

Found this 69 Z/28 in Jacksonville, FL today. Nice car, body is straight, rebuilt engine less than 100 miles (Not original block) but owner says new block is a 69 DZ Block. Sounds awesome!

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Old 07-02-2014, 08:23 PM   #2
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Sorry but my I-pad will only post one pic at a time.

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Old 07-02-2014, 08:24 PM   #3
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Old 07-02-2014, 10:29 PM   #4
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Those are the biggest "PTB" firewall stamps I've ever seen in my life!
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Old 07-03-2014, 09:38 AM   #5
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Beautiful car!!! Love that color combo. Is it for sale? Original X-33 car? And yes, the PTB stamps are HUUUUUGE!!! Not sure if those are original!?!?!? LOL!!!
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Old 07-11-2014, 08:10 AM   #7
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Those 69 camaros are SOOO fine.

It even has the smog stuff.

I'm not sure if you bought this car yet, but be carefull with fla cars cause they rust in places you can't see.

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Old 07-12-2014, 09:47 AM   #8
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Any pictures from the back of the car? The grill is supposed to be silver.
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Any pictures from the back of the car? The grill is supposed to be silver.
I believe the grill was silver. Here's a pic of the rear.

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Old 07-17-2014, 02:56 PM   #10
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Thanks for those pictures. The stripes are correct and it has the large rear bumper guards that came with all Z'28's. If you noticed my Camaro had the antenna on the right rear, and the stripe is below the spoiler which was added in 1970. My car was a complete numbers matching car, I had just hand sanded the original paint, and sold it for $34,000 just as you see it. What kind of price do they want?
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Old 07-31-2014, 07:32 AM   #11
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Same question is it for sale. I would sell or trade my 2010 for that beautiful 69.
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Any pictures from the back of the car? The grill is supposed to be silver.



...and the deck stripes aren't supposed to extend onto the decklid under the original spoiler.
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Old 07-31-2014, 10:04 AM   #13
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...and the deck stripes aren't supposed to extend onto the decklid under the original spoiler.
Not really. It depends on the factory options selected. Optional on Z/28's until about April of '69 - the "D80" Spoiler Package was not allways factory installed.

'69 Z28 Trunk Lid Striping:

If the spoiler was installed at the factory:
1. The paint stripes go over the spoiler, and end at the bottom of the spoiler (and therefore not on the back lip of the trunk lid)
2. The Camaro trunk lid emblem was moved forward, up the trunk lid, from station 125.00 to station 121.73, a distance of 3.27 inches.

If the spoiler was installed by the dealer:
1. The stripes were painted on the trunk lid at the factory and thus, without a spoiler, run all the way through to the lip of the lid. The dealer installed spoiler was attached over the factory stripes and then the dealer painted the spoiler to match.
2. The dealer often did not relocate the Camaro emblem.

Additionally, if you check under the trunk lid and measure the 2 spring rods, a factory spoiler car will have 2 different rod diameters. If the spoiler was added after the factory, the 2 spring rods will be both the same diameter.

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Old 07-31-2014, 11:47 AM   #14
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I thought the DZ motor also had angle plug heads?
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Not really. It depends on the factory options selected. Optional on Z/28's until about April of '69 - the "D80" Spoiler Package was not allways factory installed.

'69 Z28 Trunk Lid Striping:

If the spoiler was installed at the factory:
1. The paint stripes go over the spoiler, and end at the bottom of the spoiler (and therefore not on the back lip of the trunk lid)
2. The Camaro trunk lid emblem was moved forward, up the trunk lid, from station 125.00 to station 121.73, a distance of 3.27 inches.

If the spoiler was installed by the dealer:
1. The stripes were painted on the trunk lid at the factory and thus, without a spoiler, run all the way through to the lip of the lid. The dealer installed spoiler was attached over the factory stripes and then the dealer painted the spoiler to match.
2. The dealer often did not relocate the Camaro emblem.

Additionally, if you check under the trunk lid and measure the 2 spring rods, a factory spoiler car will have 2 different rod diameters. If the spoiler was added after the factory, the 2 spring rods will be both the same diameter.

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Yeah, I knew all of that, but assuming the spoiler is original, the paint should stop at the end of it. Dealer installed spoilers of course wouldn't be factory original. There were also 3 slightly different deck lids used in '69 depending on production date. Early cars used a narrower 68 carry-over rear spoiler, but the stripes still stopped at the edge of it. No factory D80 equipped cars had the stripes extend onto the decklid beyond the spoiler.
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I thought the DZ motor also had angle plug heads?
Nope. All 69 Z/28s had 3927186 heads on them, which were a straight plug. In fact, I know of NO factory applications of angle plug heads on anything, including Corvettes. GM did make a 492 casting small block head with angled plugs, but they were sold only over the counter.
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Old 07-31-2014, 04:09 PM   #17
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Any pictures from the back of the car? The grill is supposed to be silver.
I don't think anyone out there knows for sure which cars had black and which silver, regardless of what the paperwork says. What everyone says to be true is not the case with my car. Originally it had a black grill. It is a Non RS Z/28, and was a lemans blue/white stripes. When the driver hit a snow back and cracked the grill in 1970 it was replaced at the dealership with a silver grill. GO figure!
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Old 08-01-2014, 11:56 AM   #18
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I have seen that the Argent Silver grill is what came with the Z28 package from a lot of different sources! My uncle got his Z28 in '69 far a graduation gift. He bent in the front bumper and cracked his grill in 1970. He bought a new grill from the dealership! The grill came black and had to be painted silver. I speculate that the dealership was putting the car to OEM specs, no other Camaro's got the silver grill that I am aware of, but strange things did happen in the 60's!
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I have seen that the Argent Silver grill is what came with the Z28 package from a lot of different sources! My uncle got his Z28 in '69 far a graduation gift. He bent in the front bumper and cracked his grill in 1970. He bought a new grill from the dealership! The grill came black and had to be painted silver. I speculate that the dealership was putting the car to OEM specs, no other Camaro's got the silver grill that I am aware of, but strange things did happen in the 60's!

Original production line standard grilles for '69 were all silver, except for SS cars, and even some of the darker exterior colors of those got a silver grille. The grilles were molded in a light colored plastic and sprayed silver from new. The over the counter grilles were molded in black plastic, and most dealers or bodyshops never bothered to paint them silver when doing repairs, so by the mid 70's many Z/28s and non-SS cars had black grilles. Also, when the cars started being restored in the 80's, the "NOS GM" grilles everyone was using were the black molded ones, and most were installed without ever being painted the correct silver.

I don't mind seeing a black grille in a non-SS Camaro as much as seeing the entire grille assembly installed without the outer portion being painted body color. I'm shocked at how many '69s you see "restored" this way.
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Old 10-01-2014, 09:47 AM   #20
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AS much as I love the 5th Gen Camaro, I would trade it for a 69 Camaro any day. Just a beautiful look and sound. Surely don't make them like that anymore.
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