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Old 10-02-2013, 10:26 PM   #1
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whipple vs maggy??

Anybody got some good comparison data on these two? Interested to see why some people say the maggy has better volumetric efficiency than the whipple. Whipple claims 99%..... Differences in pully upgrade costs in whipple vs maggy? Output gains vs each other???

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Old 10-03-2013, 07:02 AM   #2
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At mild boost levels, the "efficiency" of the various latest edition belt driven blowers varies very little. The hybrid Roots blowers are pretty good. The stock Whipple is a bigger blower than the Maggie pumping more air. It's not hard to figure out why, when comparing stock vs stock blowers, that the Whipple makes more power. Compare them both at say 9ish psi. There won't be much difference. On an LS3 sized motor, the smaller blower will actually be stronger down low and give up very little on the top end. The 2.3L blower is an excellent match for a 6.2L motor. As you push things harder and the boost goes higher, the bigger blower will eventually have advantages. You probably won't find them on a stock motor.....at least not for very long
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Anybody got some good comparison data on these two? Interested to see why some people say the maggy has better volumetric efficiency than the whipple. Whipple claims 99%..... Differences in pully upgrade costs in whipple vs maggy? Output gains vs each other???

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If I had to do it again I would go with Whipple. I'm not saying the Maggy is bad, I just feel the whipple is a great blower, does well on stock cubes and their is room to grow. I originally only wanted a 2300, and choose the Vortech-Lysholm because of its TQ curves. I'm very happy with my blower. But I wish I went with a Whipple now. I'm going to forge and stroke my motor soon. Then will come the problem where I run out of blower before motor.

Figure out your long term goals. I thought 650rwhp would be enough, and decided it's not. I'm seeing most people are maxing out 700rwhp range +\- 50 with 2300s.
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Old 10-03-2013, 09:31 AM   #4
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I've had both and can say I picked up power when I switched to the whipple. On the same dyno I averaged close to 600rwhp with the Maggie and 3.6 pulley, switched to the whipple and averaged 650+rwhp on the 4.0 pulley. Both are good blowers and this debate will go on and on but I really like my whipple!!
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I've had both and can say I picked up power when I switched to the whipple. On the same dyno I averaged close to 600rwhp with the Maggie and 3.6 pulley, switched to the whipple and averaged 650+rwhp on the 4.0 pulley. Both are good blowers and this debate will go on and on but I really like my whipple!!
When you installed the whipple did your boost go up?
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I've had both and can say I picked up power when I switched to the whipple. On the same dyno I averaged close to 600rwhp with the Maggie and 3.6 pulley, switched to the whipple and averaged 650+rwhp on the 4.0 pulley. Both are good blowers and this debate will go on and on but I really like my whipple!!
The Maggie would need overdriven rear pulleys and a 3.7" front pulley to move the same amount of air as the Whip moves with a 4.0" pulley. Equip a Maggie like that and it would show some pretty comparable power numbers.
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All of us in the forced induction section obviously can never have enough power so y not start off with a bigger blower with room to grow cause your eventually gonna want more. Haha i already want a ysi and havent even maxed out this novi1500 yet.
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Whipple is bigger... End of debate.
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All of us in the forced induction section obviously can never have enough power so y not start off with a bigger blower with room to grow cause your eventually gonna want more.
True, some never quit wanting more.....but, I'd bet the vast, vast majority either can't afford it, or have no desire to upgrade everything from the front bumber to the rear bumper to accomodate more power than a Maggie can make. Much over 700 and you need motor upgrades, clutch upgrades, tranny, rear end, etc. Saying "all" want to go that route isn't quite right.
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When you installed the whipple did your boost go up?
No it stayed the same, both were around 8.5-9psi.
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The Maggie would need overdriven rear pulleys and a 3.7" front pulley to move the same amount of air as the Whip moves with a 4.0" pulley. Equip a Maggie like that and it would show some pretty comparable power numbers.
Both are good quality products. At the same boost level both have similar results.
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great info! Keep it coming!
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great info! Keep it coming!
Since this is your thread....what do you want your rig to do? Where do you want to be power wise? Are you thinking forged engine and drivetrain upgrades? It's kind of pointless to try to compare dyno sheets, etc. I have a dyno sheet showing 672 rwhp at a little over 8psi. I upped the boost to a little over 9psi and now have a dyno sheet showing 642 rwhp. If you figure it out, let me know
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I'm more curious about the difference between the Manacharger 2300 and the Lyshom 2.3 liter(screw type vs roots type).
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The Whipple has a bigger inter cooler than the Maggie. My IAT stay lower than a buddies car that has a Maggie on his motor. We both are running meth too. I'm making about 12psi at 6200RPMs with the 3.750 pulley, 102mm throttle body, and the meth injection. Made 678RWHP before the motor was pulled for a LSX motor. Good luck, BTW the Maggie's sound SICK with the rear cog drive pulleys.


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I would really recommend the Whipple out of the two just for two areas...1. IAT's are lower when actually driving the car and 2. room for growth (hp).
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Anybody got some good comparison data on these two? Interested to see why some people say the maggy has better volumetric efficiency than the whipple. Whipple claims 99%..... Differences in pully upgrade costs in whipple vs maggy? Output gains vs each other???

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congrats man your car rocks saw your car at the drags a couple of weeks ago sounds sick
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I LOVE my 2.9 emission legal Whipple. Car is mild enough to drive across the country and runs low 11's all day long with drag radials. 3.8 Sheave with a custom exhaust cam. Of course new fuel pump, oil pump,injectors,tune,1 7/8 long tubes with high flow cats, roto fab cold air,tranny tune, etc. 585-600 RWHP( depending on the weather ).
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Davenport is close to me. I know the guys over there a little, and they do the Magnusons on almost every Camaro, and they do lots. They are for sure the biggest in Western Canada. They have a ton of happy customers, so I'd guess they are doing it right.
I'm a whipple fan, but I think I agree they won't shine on low-moderate boost.
It's like turbo sizing. Why get 1200whp turbos if you want only 600whp. You are leaving torque on the table.
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I'm more curious about the difference between the Manacharger 2300 and the Lyshom 2.3 liter(screw type vs roots type).

+1 I have a lysholm & my buddy I roll with has a maggie. Well just say I would never trade my blower for one. I would go to a whipple though if I had to do it again.
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I know the Magnuson is CARB certified with an E.O. number for California. Are any of the other superchargers California certified? Also, Magnuson offers powertrain warranties for as little as $275 for 3yr/36000 and $775 for a 5yr/100k. How about the other companies? I have a TRD Eaton supercharger, same type and company who makes the Magnuson, on my 2001 4WD 4Runner with 160k miles and have never serviced it and never had a problem with it.
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I know the Magnuson is CARB certified with an E.O. number for California. Are any of the other superchargers California certified? Also, Magnuson offers powertrain warranties for as little as $275 for 3yr/36000 and $775 for a 5yr/100k. How about the other companies? I have a TRD Eaton supercharger, same type and company who makes the Magnuson, on my 2001 4WD 4Runner with 160k miles and have never serviced it and never had a problem with it.

That is a good point.. Good thing I don't live in Cali, their laws suck..

As for that warranty, I think the problem lies their that it has to be installed by certain dealerships/shops. Plus you can't pulley down with that or the warranty is gone, if you pulley down, you have to change the tune, if anything breaks from another tune the warranty is gone and they will be able to see that. So I dunno how good that warranty is. I'm not expert on the Maggie's warranty but I know I wouldn't be happy with 6lbs of boost.

But like I said the Maggie is a plus with CARB Certified CA thing.

I do know that Vortech-Lysholm does have :3-Year/36,000-mile powertrain limited warranty optional (coverage is from vehicle original in-service date) I don't know price, I just known it wasn't worth it.
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That is a good point.. Good thing I don't live in Cali, their laws suck..

As for that warranty, I think the problem lies their that it has to be installed by certain dealerships/shops. Plus you can't pulley down with that or the warranty is gone, if you pulley down, you have to change the tune, if anything breaks from another tune the warranty is gone and they will be able to see that. So I dunno how good that warranty is. I'm not expert on the Maggie's warranty but I know I wouldn't be happy with 6lbs of boost.

But like I said the Maggie is a plus with CARB Certified CA thing.

I do know that Vortech-Lysholm does have :3-Year/36,000-mile powertrain limited warranty optional (coverage is from vehicle original in-service date) I don't know price, I just known it wasn't worth it.
I should look into the warranty issue as you mentioned. I would not go more than 8psi, and like you said if I pulley down or go above 6psi the warranty may not be valid. I need to check this out.
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Their warranty is a joke. If you have any bolt-ons its voided, if you have a different pulley its voided, if you tune it its voided, if you don't pay one of their authorized installers its voided. Just put your money in a shredder as its equally effective and useful.
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