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Old 12-10-2013, 01:44 PM   #1
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Why are most comparisons to an SS and not a ZL1?

Yes I want one, no not bashing!

Yes I own a ZL1....but why are all most all comparisons done against the SS and not a ZL1 other than weight and lap time?

Example, the rear spoiler is unique to Z/28 and generates 440lbs more down force than an SS at 150mph? How does this compare to a ZL1?

Article picture is another example, more comparisons to an SS than ZL1?
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Old 12-10-2013, 01:51 PM   #2
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Old 12-10-2013, 02:16 PM   #3
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I'd say because it's upgraded (built) from an SS. I believe the ZL1 was also compared to an SS when it came out.
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I'd say because it's upgraded (built) from an SS. I believe the ZL1 was also compared to an SS when it came out.
True but SS was the only thing to compare for the ZL1 at the time. Z/28 has both I guess.
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Because they still need to sell z/28's. Think about it, if they compare the z/28 to the ZL1, it is only marginally better in the performance area and significantly behind the ZL1 in driver comfort, yet it will likely command a much higher MSRP. By comparing it to the SS, the gaps are much more exaggerated in the z/28's favor!
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Old 12-10-2013, 02:41 PM   #6
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Because they still need to sell z/28's. Think about it, if they compare the z/28 to the ZL1, it is only marginally better in the performance area and significantly behind the ZL1 in driver comfort, yet it will likely command a much higher MSRP. By comparing it to the SS, the gaps are much more exaggerated in the z/28's favor!
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Old 12-10-2013, 03:01 PM   #7
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Because they still need to sell z/28's. Think about it, if they compare the z/28 to the ZL1, it is only marginally better in the performance area and significantly behind the ZL1 in driver comfort, yet it will likely command a much higher MSRP. By comparing it to the SS, the gaps are much more exaggerated in the z/28's favor!
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I would disagree with previous posts. I think its because both a z/28 and ss are naturally aspirated and the zl1 is not

If you want a fair comparison between a zl1 and a z/28 then compare it with a supercharged z/28

I believe just like the ss the z/28 is a good foundation where as a zl1 is a fairly completed car.
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True but SS was the only thing to compare for the ZL1 at the time. Z/28 has both I guess.
The 1LE was also compared to the SS. The SS is the base, the benchmark.
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Because they still need to sell z/28's. Think about it, if they compare the z/28 to the ZL1, it is only marginally better in the performance area and significantly behind the ZL1 in driver comfort, yet it will likely command a much higher MSRP. By comparing it to the SS, the gaps are much more exaggerated in the z/28's favor!
They already compared the Z/28 to the ZL1 at their proving grounds which was done first.
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Old 12-10-2013, 07:32 PM   #11
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They already compared the Z/28 to the ZL1 at their proving grounds which was done first.
Cool, haven't seen this one
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Old 12-10-2013, 07:53 PM   #12
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Marginally better.

Where the Z/28 is built to excel, it does, with 75 less horsepower. Where it doesn't, doesn't matter to the Z/28.
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Yep. They built up from an SS, rather than going 'sideways' from a ZL1. So everything that was done on the car had the SS as the baseline. So it follows logically that most information would be presented relative to the SS instead of the ZL1.

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Because they still need to sell z/28's. Think about it, if they compare the z/28 to the ZL1, it is only marginally better in the performance area and significantly behind the ZL1 in driver comfort, yet it will likely command a much higher MSRP. By comparing it to the SS, the gaps are much more exaggerated in the z/28's favor!
Yeah, 3 seconds a lap improvement on the 3 mile Milford course is pretty 'marginal'

For context, the ZL1 is only about 2 seconds a lap ahead of the 1LE.
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Yep. They built up from an SS, rather than going 'sideways' from a ZL1. So everything that was done on the car had the SS as the baseline. So it follows logically that most information would be presented relative to the SS instead of the ZL1.


Yeah, 3 seconds a lap improvement on the 3 mile Milford course is pretty 'marginal'

For context, the ZL1 is only about 2 seconds a lap ahead of the 1LE.
That 3 second gap is much much larger than the 2 second gap. The higher up the harder it is to create those gaps.
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Yes I want one, no not bashing!

Yes I own a ZL1....but why are all most all comparisons done against the SS and not a ZL1 other than weight and lap time?
Perhaps because fewer people will ever get seat time in a ZL1 than in an SS. ZL1 comparisons other than those already made would be somewhat vague because of not having experience with either car, or with cars of performance comparable to the ZL1.

Forced induction also skews the way a car is perceived - F.I. adds a sense of additional cost, complexity, and front end weight, with an accompanying need to drive it a little differently. As good as the ZL1 is at cornering, it's still a "point and shoot" kind of car relative to either the 1LE or Z/28, which are the "momentum cars" in this comparison.


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Ss compared to a z/28 is naturally aspirated compared to naturally aspirated, if you want to compare the z/28 to the zl1 then supercharge the z/28 and then compare
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It looks more impressive comparing the Z/28 to the SS. It's all about how to generate more money.
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It also could be possible that the ZL1 can do some things better than the Z/28.
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It also could be possible that the ZL1 can do some things better than the Z/28.
Seeing that the Z/28 is road-course oriented, one would be in the 1320 ft. range, and the other would be in ride quality and DD drivability.
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Ss compared to a z/28 is naturally aspirated compared to naturally aspirated, if you want to compare the z/28 to the zl1 then supercharge the z/28 and then compare
To s/c the Z/28 no longer makes it so.
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Seeing that the Z/28 is road-course oriented, one would be in the 1320 ft. range, and the other would be in ride quality and DD drivability.
But if you compare the ZL1 to the Z/28 the ZL1 had higher top speeds, so the corners is where the Z/28 wins.
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But if you compare the ZL1 to the Z/28 the ZL1 had higher top speeds, so the corners is where the Z/28 wins.
It also holds speed better going into the corner (less weight and braking) and gets power down faster coming out (less weight and gearing).
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Seeing that the Z/28 is road-course oriented, one would be in the 1320 ft. range, and the other would be in ride quality and DD drivability.
Forgot about daily driving capability. I do hope magnetic ride is an option in the sixth gen.
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Ss compared to a z/28 is naturally aspirated compared to naturally aspirated, if you want to compare the z/28 to the zl1 then supercharge the z/28 and then compare
Then you're comparing 376 to 427. Which doesn't really even it up for comparison.
I think it is for marketing reasons. There are more SS owners that can relate the comparison to Z/28. Also makes it justifiable to be so exspensive seeing it perform so mun more vs SS.
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