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Old 10-16-2013, 08:08 PM   #301
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Hold the phone, this thong only goes 160, thats being liberal. What? Thought the ZL1 could get yp to 200 I saw it on youtube on a dedicated car one where it had the mustang Boss and the ZL1 the boss could get to 196 balls out, I don't get it. Please tell me there is a reason for this. I know it wasn't that long of a straight but man, it was crawling at 155. Not a hater at all, just curious.
"Big" top speed numbers are for poseurs. Close ratio transmissions that keep the engine in the powerband and max the top speed at what is commonly usable on a track sells cars to trackers.

Trackers - Poseurs. Got it?
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Old 10-16-2013, 08:17 PM   #302
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It is pretty great I am hoping they have one at the MotorTrend shows going around this coming year
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...it looked dry and clear for the most part until near the end where there was a bit drizzle....take off a handfull <one hand> of seconds.
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Old 10-16-2013, 09:42 PM   #305
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Pete the Z/28 went faster at the track by 6 sec.

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GM credits the suite of exclusive technologies for helping the Z/28 deliver a Nurburgring time of 7:37.40, putting the car on par at the famous German test track with some of the world’s most prestigious sports cars. The Z/28 pulled its time in the rain, too, Oppenheiser notes. He says the car posted 7:31.9 in dry testing, although that is not considered an official time because cameras were not rolling.
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Old 10-16-2013, 10:12 PM   #306
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Great vid. Nice car. Good numbers. Not as interested as I thought I might be. I'm Jonesing for a lighter, more toss-able car next. As great as this car is, and let's face it, it and the ZL1 before are great but they just came along too late for me to get behind. For those on the right car change schedule, enjoy. I'm always up for a ride along.
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Old 10-16-2013, 10:17 PM   #307
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"Big" top speed numbers are for poseurs. Close ratio transmissions that keep the engine in the powerband and max the top speed at what is commonly usable on a track sells cars to trackers.

Trackers - Poseurs. Got it?
So Bugatti = Poseurs?
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Old 10-16-2013, 10:23 PM   #308
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Pete the Z/28 went faster at the track by 6 sec.
Correct sir. I think that in slightly warmer weather the Trofeos will come alive and the Z/28 will break the 7:30 mark
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Ever seen Tiff Needel do 200 mph in a Bentley around an oval in the rain? That's about as scary as this.
Please point me to that video. Thanks.
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Correct sir. I think that in slightly warmer weather the Trofeos will come alive and the Z/28 will break the 7:30 mark
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Old 10-17-2013, 07:41 AM   #312
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So Bugatti = Poseurs?
Wow! You made a really great point there /sarc Quad Turbo $1MM car of which 300 were made.

Yes, exactly, ultimate poseur car, how many will you see on track at your local HPDE?

Why don't you research the Z/28's cd? And reply back discussing the engineering balances of cd with gearing and top speed?

You want to actually contribute to the discussion in a meaningful way don't you?

So much easier to reply as you did than actually consider the OP's question and examine it in reality and not just quote a number you read in a magazine.
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Old 10-17-2013, 07:42 AM   #313
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Please point me to that video. Thanks.
It was probably 200KPH
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I assume the z28 is the first and only car to ever run in the rain?

Not one other time on that list would improve with better weather?
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Old 10-17-2013, 10:02 AM   #315
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I assume the z28 is the first and only car to ever run in the rain?

Not one other time on that list would improve with better weather?
An excellent point. But I think if that is the case, as perhaps it was with the Z/28, I believe the manufacturers can make arrangements if they choose to do it all over again, and try for a better time.

Don't know if everyone on the list does that, but it sounds like that's what may happen with the Z/28.
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Old 10-17-2013, 10:34 AM   #316
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Depends on what the law is driving.
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Old 10-17-2013, 10:55 AM   #317
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What point would it make, to run the Z/28 at, arguably, the most diverse and challenging track in the world, and not embrace the weather variability of the same?

If Chevrolet wants to be taken seriously on the world stage, and be in the same conversations with the Porsche 911 GT3 and Nissan GTR, they will need to be able to handle variable weather.

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What point would it make, to run the Z/28 at, arguably, the most diverse and challenging track in the world, and not embrace the weather variability of the same.

If Chevrolet wants to be taken seriously on the world stage, and be in the same conversations with the Porsche 911 GT3 and Nissan GTR, they will need to be able to handle variable weather.

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I don't understand the logic in this statement as it relates to Z/28. Clearly - Z/28 performed well in the weather. Clearly - there is more left in the time (how much we don't know outside what GM has stated).
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Old 10-17-2013, 11:26 AM   #319
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I don't understand the logic in this statement as it relates to Z/28. Clearly - Z/28 performed well in the weather. Clearly - there is more left in the time (how much we don't know outside what GM has stated).
i think he's saying that its good that they ran it in the rain and didnt get scared of it. in order to be taken seriously it needs to perform in the weather.
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If Chevrolet wants to be taken seriously on the world stage, and be in the same conversations with the Porsche 911 GT3 and Nissan GTR, they will need to be able to handle variable weather.
They did. Maybe you watched a different video? I happen to think it was a show of integrity and boldness to publicize a rain-run lap time.

They didn't have to make the run public. It was a choice to do so.

Point to Team Chevy in my world. One more example of honest facts (Chevy) vs hype marketing (Porsche).
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What point would it make, to run the Z/28 at, arguably, the most diverse and challenging track in the world, and not embrace the weather variability of the same?

If Chevrolet wants to be taken seriously on the world stage, and be in the same conversations with the Porsche 911 GT3 and Nissan GTR, they will need to be able to handle variable weather.

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I don't understand the logic in this statement as it relates to Z/28. Clearly - Z/28 performed well in the weather. Clearly - there is more left in the time (how much we don't know outside what GM has stated).
The logic is that, there is no point in Chevrolet seeking a better time, in better conditions. They have, potentially, earned more credibility within their target peer group by posting a respectable time that was achieved under less than perfect conditions, than by shaving 5 or 6 seconds, in a perfect weather "Glory" lap.
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Ok, we have the time it ran. We also have an idea of when the first units will be delivered. With that in mind, when do we think we will have pricing and allocation information? Can we use the ZL1 timeline? For those who bought their ZL1 when it was first announced, how long did it take once the "ring" times were announced to when the price and allocation information became public.
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For sure it was quite an accomplishment and an excellent time....even with the wet track and rain....If it wasn't a factor, it would never have been mentioned in the press releases or a quicker time wouldn't have been projected by the guys who ran it....

The idea was to see how quick it went at the ring compared to other makes....Maybe the quicker cars on the list hit some wet conditions as well....But I have my doubts they did....
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Old 10-17-2013, 11:53 AM   #324
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The idea was to see how quick it went at the ring compared to other makes....Maybe the quicker cars on the list hit some wet conditions as well....But I have my doubts they did....
Agreed. The purpose of running the Ring is for comparison. The only way to have an apples to apples comparison is to run on a dry track. I'm 100% certain that all of the other makes do everything they can to ensure they run a dry lap.
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Agreed. The purpose of running the Ring is for comparison. The only way to have an apples to apples comparison is to run on a dry track. I'm 100% certain that all of the other makes do everything they can to ensure they run a dry lap.
Well direct apples to apples would also have to be done at the same time by the same driver. Same track conditions, temperature and humidity play a big part too.
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