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Old 10-19-2013, 01:42 PM   #376
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Old 10-20-2013, 09:23 AM   #377
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Yesterday I upgraded to 1000lbs Eibach ERS springs, I think I was right, Hyperco springs does feel softer than Eibachs , even the 700lbs Eibachs made the 950 lbs Hypercos feel soft. The car is now more stable and quicker in transitions and feels way lighter and still very streetable.
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Old 10-20-2013, 01:09 PM   #378
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Old 10-20-2013, 01:25 PM   #379
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Old 10-20-2013, 04:54 PM   #380
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I doubt they will bring it.
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Old 10-20-2013, 07:04 PM   #381
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I doubt they will bring it.
Yeah usually a manufacturer only brings the top tier cars
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Old 10-20-2013, 07:40 PM   #382
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Yeah usually a manufacturer only brings the top tier cars
Agreed they will likely not run it but hell, the 2010 SS ran it...now the ZL1, ZR1, Z28 have all ran it...why not the 1LE?

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Old 10-20-2013, 08:03 PM   #383
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Agreed they will likely not run it but hell, the 2010 SS ran it...now the ZL1, ZR1, Z28 have all ran it...why not the 1LE?

The SS was the top tier Camaro when they ran it.
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Old 10-21-2013, 12:01 PM   #384
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Some one was asking for SS and SS w/1LE package NÜRBURGRING LAP TIME.

From the Brochure just posted to the home page:

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NÜRBURGRING LAP TIME 8:19 (Coupe)

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NÜRBURGRING LAP TIME 7:41.27 (Coupe)
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Old 10-21-2013, 09:33 PM   #385
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Old 10-21-2013, 10:10 PM   #386
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And it is slower than a 70k GTR by 21 seconds (2009 model, which had a base price of 68k, 4 years ago, and weighs much more, has more luxuries, etc.)
With AWD (the future for street HiPo), more nannies, and a little more power the Z28 would be right there with the GTR. Bet the Z28 is more fun to drive the way it is.

Both the Z28 and ZL1 are beating very impressive RWD cars. Very impressive for what is essentially a pirated OZ mid priced sedan.

Still the real HiPo bargain in the Camaro lineup is the 1LE.

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NÜRBURGRING LAP TIME 7:46.69 (Coupe)
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Old 10-22-2013, 09:16 AM   #388
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Also in regards to The Pill, I wish he was still in this forum. While he trumps his mustangs while down playing the Camaro he is a wealth of knowledge and always seems to have insight info regarding Chevy development.
Me too. Spirited discussion from very knowledgeable people always makes for interesting conversation no matter what they drive. And even if they step on some toes that's okay too. Makes it even more interesting. But we all need to keep the discussion on track, rather than slinging personal insults.

Fanboy site = boring.

And here I am digressing. To me the Z28 times are very impressive. There is a limit to what you can do with a 3,700 pound RWD front engine sedan with "only" 505 crank HP. Easy enough to uncork another 50 HP though. So this modded Z28 on a dry track could run sub 7:30s IMO. Let's see how it does with shorter tracks.
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Old 10-22-2013, 09:21 AM   #389
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Some one was asking for SS and SS w/1LE package NÜRBURGRING LAP TIME.

From the Brochure just posted to the home page:

CAMARO SS (CONTINUED)
NÜRBURGRING LAP TIME 8:19 (Coupe)

Sorry no 1LE times

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NÜRBURGRING LAP TIME 7:41.27 (Coupe)
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NÜRBURGRING LAP TIME 7:46.69 (Coupe)
I don't think that the 1LE made up ~33 seconds on the SS. Sure the suspension is a lot better, but power is the same. A 7:46.69 would put it only 5.42 seconds behind a ZL1. It might do well until the long straight near the end, but the ZL1's sheer power would put some serious distance on the 1LE, IMO.
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Old 10-22-2013, 09:26 AM   #390
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I don't think that the 1LE made up ~33 seconds on the SS. Sure the suspension is a lot better, but power is the same. A 7:46.69 would put it only 5.42 seconds behind a ZL1. It might do well until the long straight near the end, but the ZL1's sheer power would put some serious distance on the 1LE, IMO.
My wishful thinking maybe, being a 1LE fan boy. I'm sure Chevy has run one there.
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So here is what I am wondering about the Z28. Maybe it is possible the Z28 could have more than 505 HP. Why couldn't Chevy supply a real aggressive LS7 tune, a ported and better angled TB if that helps, a lower bumper air scoop, and the best Camaro CAI ever that needs a tune on the Z28? Then if they felt the need to, just supply a limited powertrain warranty. What real Z28 buyer would care?

They did other radical stuff like lighter glass.

I would bet 530+ HP at the crank easy.
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Old 10-22-2013, 09:55 AM   #392
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Some one was asking for SS and SS w/1LE package NÜRBURGRING LAP TIME.

From the Brochure just posted to the home page:

CAMARO SS (CONTINUED)
NÜRBURGRING LAP TIME 8:19 (Coupe)

Sorry no 1LE times

CAMARO ZL1
NÜRBURGRING LAP TIME 7:41.27 (Coupe)
Could it be because the SS, ZL1 and the Z/28 are are separate models but the 1LE is just an optional performance package for the SS?
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Could it be because the SS, ZL1 and the Z/28 are are separate models but the 1LE is just an optional performance package for the SS?
That... or a mustang conspiracy.
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Old 10-22-2013, 11:26 AM   #394
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So here is what I am wondering about the Z28. Maybe it is possible the Z28 could have more than 505 HP. Why couldn't Chevy supply a real aggressive LS7 tune, a ported and better angled TB if that helps, a lower bumper air scoop, and the best Camaro CAI ever that needs a tune on the Z28? Then if they felt the need to, just supply a limited powertrain warranty. What real Z28 buyer would care?

They did other radical stuff like lighter glass.

I would bet 530+ HP at the crank easy.

I'm betting emissions. The LS7 is already on the ragged edge of smog legality, so modding the engine would probably not be possible.
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Old 10-22-2013, 11:43 AM   #395
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I'm betting emissions. The LS7 is already on the ragged edge of smog legality, so modding the engine would probably not be possible.
Track car, so sod the emissions
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Old 10-22-2013, 01:31 PM   #396
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With AWD (the future for street HiPo), more nannies, and a little more power the Z28 would be right there with the GTR. Bet the Z28 is more fun to drive the way it is.

Both the Z28 and ZL1 are beating very impressive RWD cars. Very impressive for what is essentially a pirated OZ mid priced sedan.

Still the real HiPo bargain in the Camaro lineup is the 1LE.

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NÜRBURGRING LAP TIME 7:46.69 (Coupe)
I'd guess around 7:50 considering the GM corporate track difference.
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Old 10-22-2013, 02:12 PM   #397
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Still the real HiPo bargain in the Camaro lineup is the 1LE.

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NÜRBURGRING LAP TIME 7:46.69 (Coupe)
Car is a good deal but seriously?

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I don't think that the 1LE made up ~33 seconds on the SS. Sure the suspension is a lot better, but power is the same. A 7:46.69 would put it only 5.42 seconds behind a ZL1. It might do well until the long straight near the end, but the ZL1's sheer power would put some serious distance on the 1LE, IMO.
I would totally agree.

Quote from a recent review that was of all the Gen 5 V8 cars run at one track with a few Mustangs too.

"Around the 2.9 mile test loop, Chevy compared the Z/28 to some interesting benchmarks – its siblings, the 1LE and ZL1, and its arch enemies, the Mustang GT500 and Boss 302 Laguna Seca. Interestingly, the car with the most power, the GT500, also posted the slowest lap time, clocking a 1:59.97. The Laguna Seca did a bit better, running a 1:59.05, followed by the 1LE at 1:58.85. Despite the intensely technical nature of the test track, the ZL1 was still able to use its superior horsepower compared to the 1LE to run a faster 1:56.58, but it was the Z/28 that delivered the best time at a mere 1:53.71."

On a technical track the ZL1 is 2.27 seconds faster than a 1LE. (Which is about the same as the 2.87 seconds between the ZL1 and Z28.) On a long course like The Ring which has a ton of high speed zones it will not even be close. The ZL1 with an extra 154hp, better brakes, better cooling and no speed limiter the 1LE not even in the same league. Sorry.

It would be like a ZL1 guy arguing that his car can beat a Z28. If both cars are factory stock not see much of a chance of a ZL1 beating the Z28 at The Ring. With better tires a ZL1 could do better. Do all the lighting steps on a ZL1 that was done on a Z28 and again it could be a ton closer..... but then it would be a modded car. Modded does not count when comparing stock cars. Stock Gen5 Camaro on a road course the Z28 > ZL1 > 1LE > SS.

EDIT My guess is the 1LE would be a solid low 8 minute car at The Ring. Best run I would say the car might dip below 8 minutes but just barely.
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Old 10-22-2013, 02:42 PM   #399
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I wish that's how it worked.
If they had done the car as a "body in white" car like the COPO it would have worked that way.

Guess to follow tradition of the Gen 1 Z28 they retained the ability to register the car for street driving.
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My wishful thinking maybe, being a 1LE fan boy. I'm sure Chevy has run one there.

I have heard that GM does a lot of substitution on cars when testing. For instance, they have substituted LS7's with added cam etc to emulate the horsepower of an LSA while testing other components. But might they have tested the ZL1 chassis with the stock SS engine at some point (before it was even named 1LE). Dunno, but I bet they have tested that configuration somehow... maybe at the Ring too in wrap mode. Anyone from GM that's in the know may be able to enlighten us!
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