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Old 10-15-2013, 02:06 AM   #126
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Pretty impressive, especially when you also consider the low temperatures (you can see the out side temperature on the radio at points). It was 56 degrees with the track probably being in the 30 degree range, it was more then just the rain slowing the Z/28 down. Something tells me that when they post a dry weather lap time we will see this car break into the 7:20 range.

After re watching the video and paying close attention he is having traction issues through out the whole run, the ambient temperature in the car starts at 56 degrees and drops to 55 degrees. There are sections in which he isn't pushing the car at all. Toward the end of the run he certainly started to back off on the throttle a good deal as well, toward the end the ZL1 Camaro is taking corners at higher speeds then the Z/28.

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Old 10-15-2013, 02:48 AM   #127
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Don't know why you guys are disappointed. It is still a 3800 lb car with only 505hp and rear wheel drive. Pretty impressive times given that. And the ZL1 can generate more speed because over a long straight it still has more power.
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Old 10-15-2013, 02:54 AM   #128
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Hitting 160 on the straight in the rain was impressive and scary as hell. There's no question he had to back off once he hit the rain; he couldn't accelerate coming out of the corners because the back end was kicking loose when he tried. He was getting faster and faster before he hit the rain. This car will get below the 7:30 mark; no question in my mind.

Is it official that the power is 505 hp? I was expecting more like 525.

The handling looks superb. The steering ratio must be very quick; he was hardly moving his hands most of the time.

As for choosing this to be their "official" time... it's middle of October. I doubt weather conditions are going to do anything but get worse heading into winter. This was probably the last fairly decent chance they had this year.

Watching the way he was driving towards the end before the rain hit it looked like he realized it was about to and was literally throwing the car around the track trying to beat the rain but he didn't make it. They were probably radioing him from the pits. That he continued pushing as hard as he did in the wet was crazy but you could see the moment he hit the rain the back end was trying to kick around on him and he had to ease up somewhat.

Yeah....this car will run in the 7:20's.
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Old 10-15-2013, 03:28 AM   #129
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Hitting 160 on the straight in the rain was impressive and scary as hell. There's no question he had to back off once he hit the rain; he couldn't accelerate coming out of the corners because the back end was kicking loose when he tried. He was getting faster and faster before he hit the rain. This car will get below the 7:30 mark; no question in my mind.

Is it official that the power is 505 hp? I was expecting more like 525.

The handling looks superb. The steering ratio must be very quick; he was hardly moving his hands most of the time.

As for choosing this to be their "official" time... it's middle of October. I doubt weather conditions are going to do anything but get worse heading into winter. This was probably the last fairly decent chance they had this year.

Watching the way he was driving towards the end before the rain hit it looked like he realized it was about to and was literally throwing the car around the track trying to beat the rain but he didn't make it. They were probably radioing him from the pits. That he continued pushing as hard as he did in the wet was crazy but you could see the moment he hit the rain the back end was trying to kick around on him and he had to ease up somewhat.

Yeah....this car will run in the 7:20's.
Don't know. I figure 505 is good enough to use for now since it was good for the Z06 LOL
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Old 10-15-2013, 04:02 AM   #130
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for those saying 4 seconds quicker is not much really don't understand what it takes to shed seconds off a lap time once you've reached these incredible times!!

not only that but look at the cold wet weather, not sure if it would run 7:20's but I can garuntee in 70 degree weather with a dry track it would knock at least another 3 seconds off and that puts into Koenigsegg territory!! Seriously, a 3800lbs car thats rear wheel drive and only costs $70K. Wheres the BMW's, Fords or any other rear wheel drive car? Not even close!!
Very proud moment for me
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Old 10-15-2013, 07:42 AM   #131
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Old 10-15-2013, 07:57 AM   #132
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Yep, more in it, still want it.

Hey, there's still 6 months before the release.

Plenty o' time to bench race.
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Old 10-15-2013, 07:57 AM   #133
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Very nice. Great through the headphones.

But, as I read some of the other posts by you guys on this thread, I can't help to imagine your voices as the fat comic book guy from the Simpsons. Hell if I had the coinage, I would have bought a ZL1. Then they unveiled this and now it would be my first choice (with AC if possible). I have my reasons and I don't feel compelled to explain....

Some of you geeks need to just shift into 6th gear and relax.
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Old 10-15-2013, 08:20 AM   #134
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Old 10-15-2013, 08:46 AM   #135
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that was awesome and scary. For everyone that thought it was "not" what they expected, I bet if you had strapped their ass in the passenger seat, they would have been begging to slow down when that rain hit.

Me, I would have loved to have been strapped in the passenger seat for a ride of a lifetime.
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Old 10-15-2013, 09:03 AM   #136
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I timed the straight, the ZL1 went billboard to billboard in 24 sec. and some change. on a dry track

The Z28 I'm getting around 25 and some change. in the rain.

I don't think the ZL1 would have gained too much in the straight. Now don't get me wrong. It's obviously going to gain some, but it's not going to pass the Z28 like it's standing still.
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Old 10-15-2013, 09:17 AM   #137
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damn...thats impressive.
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Old 10-15-2013, 09:21 AM   #138
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I think the track was mildly moist(as Jeremy Clarkson would say) at the time as well. That could explain why he was fighting for traction at some points before the rain even hit. It was probably a rainy/misty type of day, and then the clouds couldn't hold it in any longer towards the end.

Nevertheless, that was damn impressive for the conditions. And I can only imagine what kind of time they'd be getting if it was completely dry!
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Old 10-15-2013, 09:38 AM   #139
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ok, I will be the first (and maybe the only) one to say it...i am a little disappointed with all the hype that it did not turn a little better time. In the other hand, I just saved a boat load of money that I can put into my ZL1 which is less that 4 seconds slower in stock form. More upside to the LSA, less expensive, and I won't have to sweat driving it during the summer. Going to be tough to justify a lot more for this car than what they are asking for the ZL1 in my opinion.
Why does everyone think the Z28 doesnt come with an A/C? Its just an option not to get one right?
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Old 10-15-2013, 09:39 AM   #140
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This is gonna come off as trying to stir the pot, and I'm not trying to haha.

all the people that said it would beat the Z06, Z07, and ZR1? Did you guys really think they were gonna shave almost 20 seconds off the ZL1's time? Look at the cars its beat and is in the same league as. Thats damn impressive for a car that still weighs 3700 lbs. And look at the conditions that was in. I just looked back through the guess the time thread and I think in dry conditions my guess of 7:30 is pretty damn close.
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Old 10-15-2013, 09:41 AM   #141
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I timed the straight, the ZL1 went billboard to billboard in 24 sec. and some change. on a dry track

The Z28 I'm getting around 25 and some change. in the rain.

I don't think the ZL1 would have gained too much in the straight. Now don't get me wrong. It's obviously going to gain some, but it's not going to pass the Z28 like it's standing still.
Its after the back strait that things gets complicated and slow for the Z28, he is breaking early and exiting carefully. Watch how the ZL1 managed the last stint in absolute mph, Its way above the Z28 compare to the first 6 minutes where it was slower in mid corner speed.

The Z28 will crack the 7:30 under dry conditions.
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Old 10-15-2013, 10:25 AM   #142
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After watching the video again, I appreciate the driver even more! He was in it to win it.

Man - Z/28 sounds GREAT! It was cool to get an out-of-vehicle camera. The G's it was pulling were amazing. It seemed like he (?Link?...) wasn't completely accelerating through all parts of the track, but he's certainly more brave than I; and more talented.

Excellent work GM and Team CAMARO!!!
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Old 10-15-2013, 10:32 AM   #143
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Just a few comments/questions.

Have they advertised the HP/TQ of the LS7 in this application? I saw where it got a set of Tri-Y "LT's" maybe more like mid lengths. That's got to be worth something, I would imagine TQ more than HP.

There is NO WAY this will beat a ZO6/7 it has too many disadvantages. Weight, Aero, etc.

To the guys who believe this is the most this car can do... Seriously? If you don't think he lifted and slowed down when the rain started (although not enough for my tastes this driver is a maniac) you have never driven anything fast other than on Forza Motorsports... lol
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Old 10-15-2013, 10:41 AM   #144
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To the guys who believe this is the most this car can do... Seriously? If you don't think he lifted and slowed down when the rain started (although not enough for my tastes this driver is a maniac) you have never driven anything fast other than on Forza Motorsports... lol
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Old 10-15-2013, 10:45 AM   #145
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Is it bad If I am not impressed...

I hope that rain was as bad as it sounds, I hope they do some better runs when the track is dry... But a 7:37 does not impress me for this car if that's its peak...

If it was 3 seconds faster a lap around GM's test track, it should have been well over 3 seconds faster than the ZL1 here. low 7:30's is what it should run....

Guess only time will tell.... But now that they have released this, I am wondering if they will release another time....

EDIT: Okay I re-watched the video and did not realize the fair amount of rain at the last minute or 2. Still think on a dry track this car should run low 7:30's.... REALLY hope they do some more laps in dry weather.
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Old 10-15-2013, 10:50 AM   #146
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Too bad that the car is not "legal" in respected organizations... Kind of pointless if you ask me
Not this BS again...

It's "legal" in any HPDE anywhere in the USA and also "legal" in SCCA Time Trials.

Let's put an end to this made-up "illegality" crap.
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Old 10-15-2013, 10:52 AM   #147
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I say with a fast track its under 7:30
I agree. A 7:29.xx should be possible on a 100% dry track. The driver had to soft pedal it in the two most important corners on the track, among others. That costs HUGE amounts of time. I have no idea why they didn't wait for a better day. Very bad planning IMO.
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Old 10-15-2013, 10:54 AM   #148
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Anybody notice this was done over a month ago?
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Old 10-15-2013, 11:05 AM   #149
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I agree. A 7:29.xx should be possible on a 100% dry track. The driver had to soft pedal it in the two most important corners on the track, among others. That costs HUGE amounts of time. I have no idea why they didn't wait for a better day. Very bad planning IMO.

Its probably hard to plan that around weather, I am sure they have limited time as it is.
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Anybody notice this was done over a month ago?
And didn't they first start testing at the ring in April? Don't get me wrong, it is a great time any way you slice it. Just seems strange they did not publish a time in more favorable conditions.
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