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Old 10-15-2013, 10:08 AM   #151
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Is it bad If I am not impressed...

I hope that rain was as bad as it sounds, I hope they do some better runs when the track is dry... But a 7:37 does not impress me for this car if that's its peak...

If it was 3 seconds faster a lap around GM's test track, it should have been well over 3 seconds faster than the ZL1 here. low 7:30's is what it should run....

Guess only time will tell.... But now that they have released this, I am wondering if they will release another time....
If you're not impress with the driving showcased in this video, then Yes it is bad that you are not impressed.
It only means you didn't watch it and sounds like you only care absolute numbers & bragging rights.

If the Z/28 ran a 7:37:47 in Damp/rainy condition, you know that it going to be faster on a dry run, right?
You even said so: `low 7:30's is what it should run…’’

So, really, why are you not impress?

Are you not happy that GM release a stunning performance of the best Camaro ever made beating all previous iterations in a wet run?
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What if this is an artificially low time posted JUST to get even with all the 2014 refresh haters... just when the hater's gloating is peaking... BAMN 7:28 BITYCHES!
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Anybody notice this was done over a month ago?
Thank you, I couldn't make up the date because of my small screen!
So this means, it's the second time they came with the C7 vet.
The first time was with the camouflage Mule early 2013.
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Just curious...no doubt all the other makes showcase their best run....or is this rain thing just bad luck/luck of the draw type thing....Were all the other cars on the list run in perfect weather and track conditions? Was the Zl-1 run absolutely perfect?

Too bad after all this wait we get a "controversial" video to chew on....If the video for the Z/28 was "officially" released, I would think there would be some supporting information/details along with it, at the very least an explanation of weather, track, safety factors that affect the time...dunno, just sayin'....
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After watching the video again, I appreciate the driver even more! He was in it to win it.


It takes some skill and balls to drive that car like that with a wet track. I have had my back end swing out at 10 MPH don't even want to know what it feels like at 80+ like it happened on the Z/28.
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Just curious...no doubt all the other makes showcase their best run....or is this rain thing just bad luck/luck of the draw type thing....Were all the other cars on the list run in perfect weather and track conditions? Was the Zl-1 run absolutely perfect?

Too bad after all this wait we get a "controversial" video to chew on....If the video for the Z/28 was "officially" released, I would think there would be some supporting information/details along with it, at the very least an explanation of weather, track, safety factors that affect the time...dunno, just sayin'....
It is an Official Video release from Chevrolet.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Chevrolet/videos
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Old 10-15-2013, 10:35 AM   #157
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Here is the Top 100 times list and available onboard video of some of them:

http://nurburgringlaptimes.com/lap-t...times-top-100/

The ZL1 lap time was Under Dry conditions.
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In developing the 2014 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28, engineers were almost entirely focused on track capability, and it appears their endevors have paid off as the car has now lapped Germany’s Nürburgring, one of the toughest tracks on the planet, in a time of 7:37.47.
That might not sound very impressive when the production car lap record stands at just 6:57, but remember that the Camaro Z/28 achieved this feat without the added traction of all-wheel drive or the quick shifts of a dual-clutch gearbox, but with a good ol’ pushrod V-8 mated to a six-speed manual and spinning the rear wheels only.

Making the result even more impressive is the fact that there even was some rain falling on the ‘Ring during the attempt. Based on previous testing, Chevy is confident the Z/28 could shave a further 6.0 seconds from the lap time.

"One of the challenges of testing at the 'Ring is that the track is so long that conditions can change radically in a single lap," said Al Oppenheiser, Camaro chief engineer. "Adam Dean, the development driver for Z/28, did a heroic job driving in deteriorating conditions.”

Some of the cars it beats include the Type 991 Porsche 911 Carrera S and Audi R8 V10. It also beats the more powerful Camaro ZL1 by about 4.0 seconds.

If you've forgotten, the key stats of the new Z/28 are a 500-horsepower 7.0-liter LS7 V-8, a Tremec six-speed manual transmission, a limited-slip differential, carbon ceramic brakes, Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R tires, Recaro seats and a 300-pound weight advantage over the 4,120-pound ZL1. Oh, and there’s no air conditioning as standard.

Testing at the Nürburgring is a key step in the development of numerous Chevy performance cars. A total of 10 hours and nearly 1,000 miles were covered on the track for the Z/28. These hours were part of the grueling ‘24-Hour Test’ that simulates a full year's worth of track use at the hands of an owner. The 24-Hour Test is broken into a number of segments over the course of several days, and at different tracks. Crucially, each valid test lap must be run within 2 percent of a target lap speed to count toward the 24-hour total.

Pricing is yet to be announced for the Z/28 but Chevy has said it will be priced north of the ZL1's $56k sticker.
Interesting.
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HERE IS THE OFFICIAL GM PRESS RELEASE:
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Track-capable Camaro Z/28 Validated at Nürburgring


2013-10-15

◾Z/28 undergoes 10 hours or 1,000 miles of testing at Nordschleife
◾Fastest lap completed in 7:37.40 in rainy conditions

DETROIT – Chevrolet today revealed a video of the all-new, 2014 Camaro Z/28 lapping Germany’s challenging Nürburgring road course in 7:37.40, a time comparable with some of the world’s most prestigious sports cars.

The Z/28’s lap is four seconds faster than the Camaro ZL1, and beats published times for the Porsche 911 Carrera S and the Lamborghini Murcielago LP640. The Z/28’s lap was completed on less-than-ideal conditions, with damp pavement and pouring rain near the end of the run.

"One of the challenges of testing at the 'Ring is that the track is so long that conditions can change radically in a single lap," said Al Oppenheiser, Camaro chief engineer. "Adam Dean, the development driver for Z/28, did a heroic job driving in deteriorating conditions. Based on telemetry data from our test sessions, we know the Z/28 can be as much as six seconds faster on a dry track."

In terms of lap times, the Z/28’s improved speed came from three areas:
◾Increased grip: The Z/28 is capable of 1.08 g in cornering acceleration, due to comprehensive chassis revisions
◾Increased stopping power: The Z/28 features Brembo carbon-ceramic brakes capable of 1.5 g in deceleration, and consistent brake feel lap after lap
◾Reduced curb weight: The naturally aspirated Z/28 weighs 300 pounds less than the supercharged Camaro ZL1, with changes ranging from lightweight wheels to thinner rear-window glass.

The heart of the Z/28 is the 7.0L LS7 engine. The LS7 uses lightweight, racing-proven, high-performance components, such as titanium intake valves and connecting rods, CNC-ported aluminum cylinder heads and a forged-steel crankshaft to help produce an SAE-certified 505 horsepower (376 kW) and 481 lb-ft of torque (652 Nm). Air-conditioning is available, but only as an option.

A close-ratio six-speed manual transmission is the only transmission offered and power is distributed to the rear wheels via a limited-slip differential featuring a helical gear set, rather than traditional clutch packs. The new design enables the driver to apply more power and get through corners faster, by making the most of the capability of individual-wheel antilock brake function during corner entry braking, mid-corner speed and corner-exit traction.

The team spent a week at the Nürburgring as part of the Z/28's performance-validation regimen, accumulating a total of 10 hours and nearly 1,000 miles on the track. Each lap took less than eight minutes to complete, despite having to overtake slower traffic at times. These hours are part of the grueling 24-Hour Test, which simulates a full year's worth of track use of track days or amateur-level competition at the hands of an owner.

“Passing the 24-Hour Test is a requirement for all cars we call 'track capable,’” said Wayne McConnell, director of global vehicle performance. "The test pushes the car at 10/10ths on the track for a total of 24 hours. During the test the only mechanical changes allowed are replacing the brakes and tires.”

The 24-Hour Test is broken into a number of segments over the course of several days – and even at different tracks – to evaluate performance in precisely measured and carefully monitored increments. Crucially, each valid test lap must be run within 2 percent of a target lap speed to count toward the 24-hour total.

The 24-Hour Test was first used in the early 1990s for the fourth-generation Corvette. Back then, the 300-horsepower Corvette was Chevrolet’s most powerful vehicle, and the 24-Hour Test measured 15 channels of data. Today, the 2014 Camaro LS offers a 323-horsepower V-6, while the Camaro Z/28’s racing-proven LS7 7.0L small-block V-8 delivers 505 horsepower, and the 24-Hour Test measures 130 channels of data.

“Our cars' performance and capability have advanced tremendously in the past 20 years, which required us to continually improve the parameters of the 24-Hour Test," said McConnell.

"Today’s test pushes the car harder than the vast majority of customers ever will. As a result, when we call a car ‘track capable’ we are confident that it will perform reliably and consistently for our customers.”





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Founded in 1911 in Detroit, Chevrolet is now one of the world’s largest car brands, doing business in more than 140 countries and selling more than 4.5 million cars and trucks a year. Chevrolet provides customers with fuel-efficient vehicles that feature spirited performance, expressive design, and high quality. More information on Chevrolet models can be found at www.chevrolet.com.


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Nice info...but it sounds like their window of opportunity and all the 24hr test business has closed their chance to get the 6 second better time....??
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It amaze me to look at the pictures and see that the car has no Roll cage nor harness.
his only strapped with the 3 point belt...wow!
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Nice info...but it sounds like their window of opportunity and all the 24hr test business has closed their chance to get the 6 second better time....??
Absolutely!
Can't win them all...To much to do in little time.
Quote -''Crucially, each valid test lap must be run within 2 percent of a target lap speed to count toward the 24-hour total.'' (which equals to less then 10 sec per lap.)

The perfect run will be for next time...if they come back with the Z/28.
I doubt it now.
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Absolutely!
Can't win them all...To much to do in little time.
-''Crucially, each valid test lap must be run within 2 percent of a target lap speed to count toward the 24-hour total.
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The perfect run will be for next time...if they come back with the Z/28.
I doubt it now.
Sounds like they are pretty confident that without the unfortunate wet conditions the car would have done 7:31.5...Would have moved it way farther up that list...

Damn rain!!!!!.....lol....
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Wish they had better conditions, but still look at the time they produced. That's a camaro in the same class as Porche's Ferraris and Audis. That's damn impressive
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Sounds like they are pretty confident that without the unfortunate wet conditions the car would have done 7:31.5...Would have moved it way farther up that list...

Damn rain!!!!!.....lol....
It also meant that posting the hypothetical dry Lap at 7:31:47, all other 50-75 laps would have had to be under 7:40.00 to count for the 24 hours test... That would of been a very hard & drooling job, not counting the risk of a crash.
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On a track that takes lives GM showed us that this car has very capable handling and that driver has a lot of talent and skill. As long as the ring run is I am sure the Z28 can break into the high 7:20 range.
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It also meant that posting the hypothetical dry Lap at 7:31:47, all other 50-75 laps would have had to be under 7:40.00 to count for the 24 hours test... That would of been a very hard & drooling job, not counting the risk of a crash.

...That would make the Z/28 number "28" on the list...what a coincidence...lol

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QUOTED: -''Based on telemetry data from our test sessions, we know the Z/28 can be as much as six seconds faster on a dry track."

So they did do it but can't use it since most of the track times were done under wet conditions and they needed to accumulate more than 50 laps for the 24 hours test.
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Hitting 160 on the straight in the rain was impressive and scary as hell. There's no question he had to back off once he hit the rain; he couldn't accelerate coming out of the corners because the back end was kicking loose when he tried. He was getting faster and faster before he hit the rain. This car will get below the 7:30 mark; no question in my mind.

Is it official that the power is 505 hp? I was expecting more like 525.

The handling looks superb. The steering ratio must be very quick; he was hardly moving his hands most of the time.

As for choosing this to be their "official" time... it's middle of October. I doubt weather conditions are going to do anything but get worse heading into winter. This was probably the last fairly decent chance they had this year.

Watching the way he was driving towards the end before the rain hit it looked like he realized it was about to and was literally throwing the car around the track trying to beat the rain but he didn't make it. They were probably radioing him from the pits. That he continued pushing as hard as he did in the wet was crazy but you could see the moment he hit the rain the back end was trying to kick around on him and he had to ease up somewhat.

Yeah....this car will run in the 7:20's.
So Doc, got to ask are you surprised/disappointed with the official time? You seemed pretty confident that the Z would be the fastest GM car to lap the ring
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[QUOTE=90503;7094519]...That would make the Z/28 number "28" on the list...what a coincidence...lol



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"Making the result even more impressive is the fact that there even was some rain falling on the ‘Ring during the attempt. Based on previous testing, Chevy is confident the Z/28 could shave a further 6.0 seconds from the lap time."

Wow.

All in all I give a lot of respect to Chevy for publicly posting a very challenging (weather) lap. And based on what I saw in that video, I can give full credibility to Chevy for the 6 second comment above.

It's all good. Honesty and integrity are as meaningful in the big picture as the lap time.
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So Doc, got to ask are you surprised/disappointed with the official time? You seemed pretty confident that the Z would be the fastest GM car to lap the ring
I doubt that Doc said the Z/28 would be the fastest GM to lap the ring...he sure didn't said that in his last post. Was it said in another thread?
Saying it will run in the 7:20's can also mean up to 7:29.99 which is not far from the claim 7:31.47 Gm says it will do.
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"Making the result even more impressive is the fact that there even was some rain falling on the ‘Ring during the attempt. Based on previous testing, Chevy is confident the Z/28 could shave a further 6.0 seconds from the lap time."

Wow.

All in all I give a lot of respect to Chevy for publicly posting a very challenging (weather) lap. And based on what I saw in that video, I can give full credibility to Chevy for the 6 second comment above.

It's all good. Honesty and integrity are as meaningful in the big picture as the lap time.
I agree. They weren't sniveling or making excuses....It is what it is.

But, Z, at least that six seconds gives you an ace-in-the hole at the track when you go quicker than they expect....lol....
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I doubt that Doc said the Z/28 would be the fastest GM to lap the ring...he sure didn't said that in his last post. Was it said in another thread?
Saying it will run in the 7:20's can also mean up too 7:29.99
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This is a tough one. Knowing that Stielow is developing this makes it hard to guess because he's going to wring every ounce of performance out of this beast.

I'm going to say this car will set a new record for Chevrolet. I'm gonna guess 7:19.6 and yes it will beat the ZR1's lap time.
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We don't actually know the horsepower; GM said "about" 500 which you can take means more than that, they're just not sure how much more. Weight isn't as big a factor on a track like the Ring which GM proved with the surprising lap times of the ZL1. It's about suspension, spring rates, shock damping and tire grip. Stielow and team are clearly spending a LOT of time focusing on those areas. In those videos you can see a Vette, ZL1 and Z/28 running at the same time under the same conditions. That means they're studying the differences between lighter (vette) versus heavier but intelligent suspension (ZL1) and making adjustments to the Z/28 accordingly. Being out there all at the same time eliminates the variables of weather and track conditions.

Read up on the car projects Stielow has done and you'll realize what this guy can do. He's got the green light from GM management to make this a real track star and I'll be very surprised if this car isn't the fastest GM production car out on the ring. They're learning from what Stielow is doing so the high-performance version of the C7 Stingray will likely take back that crown next year but for now I believe the Z/28 is going to become king and surprise a lot of people. Yes I believe it's going to beat the ZR1's and Viper's times that are in the book.
And I know this is going to come off as a "I told you so" post. that is not my intent. Doc seems to be very knowledgable what makes cars go through the twisties fast and I just wanted to know if he was surprised by what we have seen as the official time
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Have they run the 1LE on the ring, it would be nice to see another Camaro up there.
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