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Old 10-16-2013, 12:01 PM   #29
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I just want to know when 5.0 vs LS3 became a drivers race? Most of the latest 5.0 vs LS3 arguments on here were quite one sided with everyone agreeing that the 5.0 was quicker. Now it seems as if every thread includes some lame Youtube reference and stories of lopsided victories. Neither car has gotten significantly faster/slower in the last year so is it fair to say that the bullshit has just gotten thicker?

I've been quite the GMFanboy (45 of them) and my last car was a 2012 Camaro SS. But I still won't tell anyone my LS3 was quicker, faster or could launch better than my 2014 GT as it'd be a lie.
We are comparing more than just the engines. The 1LE has different gearing (3.91) than the SS you had. That is part of what makes this more of a driver's race now. Enjoy your Mustang. They are nice cars.
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Old 10-16-2013, 01:03 PM   #30
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I thought the 1LE with its 3.91 gears overcame the deficit in a 1/4 drag race? Yeah it will still be a drivers race, but I wouldn't give the Mustang win automatically.
Not correct.

The 3.91 in the 1LE is offset by the different gearing in the TR6060. combined with a hard sidewall road race tire and the fact that it must shift into 4th to complete the 1/4 mile make the SS (non 1LE) better for drag racing. (stock vs stock)
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Old 10-16-2013, 02:50 PM   #31
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Not correct.

The 3.91 in the 1LE is offset by the different gearing in the TR6060. combined with a hard sidewall road race tire and the fact that it must shift into 4th to complete the 1/4 mile make the SS (non 1LE) better for drag racing. (stock vs stock)
Hmm.. good to know. What mph does 3rd top out on each?

Well looking at that Camaro vs Mustang video, the 1LE did a 12.7 sec & trapped at almost 112mph. That is better than most stock SS cars tested in the car rags.
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Old 10-16-2013, 03:32 PM   #32
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We gonna play this weekend and we both gonna have gopro to put this to rest if it dont rain
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Old 10-16-2013, 03:33 PM   #33
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No. Do the math. The 3.91 in the TR6060 will still have a steeper final drive then the SS. Also the side wall is not nearly as important as the softer tire compound.
No....did the math and stand behind what I stated Look at first gear. The SS has a numerically larger gear (although very close) which will aid when launching. 60ft is very important to the E/T (More math fun: Every .1 reduction from the 60ft is worth -.2 on your ET). You also cannot discount the fact that the SS only requires 2 gears chnages to run the 1/4 and the 1LE requires 3....The 1LE will hit the limiter before the traps in 3rd gear and it is slower than when shifting into 4th...(I tried a couple times just to see) 12.991 was my best E/T stock with a bunch of 13.0s

Here you Go:

MM6 w/ 3.91 (Stock 1LE)
1st gear ratio: 2.66 10.40
2nd gear ratio: 1.78 6.96
3rd gear ratio: 1.30 5.09
4th gear ratio: 1.00 3.91
5th gear ratio: 0.74 2.90
6th gear ratio: 0.50 1.96

M10 w/ 3.45 (Stock SS)
1st gear ratio: 3.01 10.38
2nd gear ratio: 2.07 7.14
3rd gear ratio: 1.43 4.93
4th gear ratio: 1.00 3.45
5th gear ratio: 0.84 2.90
6th gear ratio: 0.57 1.97

Tires: Ha, I have driven both a stock SS and my stock 1LE.....The tires are VERY different. The stock SS 275 hook way better in the same conditions than the 285 Goodyear G2... The GY require a ton of heat before they work...

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Old 10-16-2013, 04:28 PM   #34
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Oh boy! Ok so what's your point? Are you comparing the overdrives? Which gears do you spend the most time in when drag racing? If you guessed second & third you'd be correct. Soooo since you can't drive or figure out how to prep your tires for launch, tire compound has no bearing on traction what so ever??????Every hear of a burnout when visiting the dragstrip? Drag radials & slicks require alot of heat also. But they work so well because of their sticky rubber compound. Not their amount of sidewall.
I guess since you want to go personal I can play...

.....Says the guy that barely breaks 12s in a modded automatic SS when stock SS have been as deep as 12.7s...Talk about not being able to drive an AUTOMATIC!!!!

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You are basing your argument on a pool of 5 cars and comparing it to hundreds. Give me a week or two and you will rethink your points.
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Bahahahaha ok lets compare timeslips, You got an AMAZING 2.1 sixty. What were you racing on a frozen lake? I got better sixtys than that out of a front drive SRT-4! You ran 12.89@110.25! I ran 12.89 @ 109.80. Sooo judging by trap speeds My modded L99 is making just a little less power than your car. Weird how I got down the track just as fast as you but when slower. Must have something to do with the whole sixty thing??? So my advice to you is work on your sixty. Learn to heat up your tires and dont be so overvelous on the throttle next time.Come back and talk to me once you figure out what your doing wrong coming out of the whole
Let me see if I can figure out your points.

Ha, yes a 2.1 is not good.....Ran a couple 2.0 on the tires but that is all she had that day on the track.

So you have a neon that apparently went faster? Yeah you! My PB is a 1.57 60ft in a street car ...John force I am not, but I have wheeled a car or two down the track.

You are telling me my bone stock LS3 is making more power than you L99 with header, CAI and tuned L99....That sucks for you, fire your tuner!

You are giving me drag racing advice very kind of you, consider you drive and auto. (yeah yeah you had a Skittle, building a 9 second Mustang blah blah whatever...)

FYI: Whole = complete, Hole = as in holeshot, coming out of the hole. ect

Seeing you are from Jersey and I am from Detroit this could go on forever......For the sake of others you can get in one more response and I will refrain from posting again. Must go learn to drive now....
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Old 10-16-2013, 06:33 PM   #37
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You are basing your argument on a pool of 5 cars and comparing it to hundreds. Give me a week or two and you will rethink your points.
You are suppose to go this weekend...make it happen!
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Old 10-16-2013, 09:19 PM   #38
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You are basing your argument on a pool of 5 cars and comparing it to hundreds. Give me a week or two and you will rethink your points.
I'm with this guy!

There should be 2 more additional 1LE's up on that list by Sunday night. My long range weather forecast for Sunday looks like high of 55 and sunny!
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Well my track has some special shootout this weekend, so my trip will have to hold off till next. AutoX on saturday it is
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Old 10-17-2013, 07:44 AM   #40
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I guess since you want to go personal I can play...

.....Says the guy that barely breaks 12s in a modded automatic SS when stock SS have been as deep as 12.7s...Talk about not being able to drive an AUTOMATIC!!!!

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Judging by this list the 1LE is no faster on the strip than the SS in fact it's slower. Also judging by this list of actual owners and not mag. times, the 1LE is going to have a hard time with any 5.0 at the strip. You folks know where the 1LE shines and the strip and street encounters are not it.
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Old 10-17-2013, 10:28 AM   #41
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Oh boy! Ok so what's your point?
There are significant differences in the speeds attainable in the various transmission gears between an SS 6-speed manual and the 1LE's.


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Are you comparing the overdrives?

Nobody is.


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Which gears do you spend the most time in when drag racing? If you guessed second & third you'd be correct.
Agreed. That puts you partway to the answer.


So let's concentrate on 3rd. The 1LE also has shorter tires, which run at about 750 rev/mile compared to the "regular" SS tires at about 730. You have to combine that effect with the 1LE having slightly shorter overall gearing in 3rd.


Bottom line, the 1LE only gets about 98 mph out of 3rd gear (at 6250 rpm). A MT SS gets all the way to about 110 at the same rev limit, and will be slowly pulling away from the 1LE during the last few mph. I hope you realize that during an upshift at 98 mph that the car will actually slow down slightly, although some (not all) of that speed loss is recovered if you don't lift while you are shifting.

Yes, I ran the speeds in gears numbers because it's really easy for me to show these kinds of comparisons. Tire tread compression has been considered, so the speeds in the attached chart differ slightly from what the online tire calculators come up with (which should consider this effect but don't).

Sidewall height definitely affects a tire's ability to withstand shock loading. More height = more flex = less likely to instantly snap loose in a full-blown case of wheelspin. Most road race cars do not ET as well as their trap speed suggests that they should, and this is part of the reason.


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Old 10-17-2013, 10:44 AM   #42
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Judging by this list the 1LE is no faster on the strip than the SS in fact it's slower. Also judging by this list of actual owners and not mag. times, the 1LE is going to have a hard time with any 5.0 at the strip. You folks know where the 1LE shines and the strip and street encounters are not it.
Lots of SS cars will be faster than the 1LE due to running an automatic.

Getting a heavy stick car to run quick ain't all that easy.

Give it some time and the 1LE list will get better.
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