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Old 07-15-2009, 06:23 AM   #351
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Old 07-15-2009, 06:54 AM   #352
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Thanks for the clarifiacation Scott...that makes a lot more sense to me. I baby my cars 99% of the time, but everyone likes to run them every now and then Again, I'm not bailing on the Camaro for good...I've owned 40 of them and I am thrilled to see them back in production...and they appear to be a great car. However, I personally want to wait until a few of the bugs are worked out.

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Zedder -- My comments were meant for 'right now' -- we're working thru the issue - it does not involve all M6 transmissions -- we believe it's a small amount.

Some were concerned about being 'stranded' - -and thus my comments.

Of COURSE you should be able to do it....that said, is it wise to abuse a car or truck? I don't think so.
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are you sure about this? because mine and some others were told our cars were shipped and even got ETA dates to find out they were never shipped...and are in QC right now...i just dont understand why i would be told its shipped when its not...i got all excited for nothing and even came home early from my trip to the mohegan sun casino resort just incase my car came i could get it saturay and not wait to monday...till this day my dealer still says its showing in transit in their system....

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this is also happening to the Tremec 6060 in the Challenger and the GT500s. I went to their forums to confirm, and you can read about the same thing happening to them there. It is supposedly an issue from the supplier (Tremec) with a specific BATCH of transmissions.
Ok, so we know that it's happening to the same transmission in other cars...but I still have no idea what's actually wrong. What IS the issue? Clutch chatter? Synchro grind? Resensbion actuator too slow? Ketlac norgling sensor has false readings? Whatchamacallit failure?

Maybe it was posted in this thread, but if so it hasn't had attention called to it and there's an awful lot to sift through.
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im not getting into the hysteria about this breaking and that having problems. Some things are just peoples imagination or simple fixes like tightening something or popping some back in place. With so many cars being built ,a percentage will have its issues, and being a new car there will be querks.

With that said since it is a new car and I have one of the first 20k made, I am slightly worried that a year or two down the road or even worse at three years one day that some weird stuff starts happening.
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Ok, so we know that it's happening to the same transmission in other cars...but I still have no idea what's actually wrong. What IS the issue? Clutch chatter? Synchro grind? Resensbion actuator too slow? Ketlac norgling sensor has false readings? Whatchamacallit failure?

Maybe it was posted in this thread, but if so it hasn't had attention called to it and there's an awful lot to sift through.
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Over at GMInsideNews this is being discussed. Some people there pointed to threads showing that this is also happening to the Tremec 6060 in the Challenger and the GT500s. I went to their forums to confirm, and you can read about the same thing happening to them there. It is supposedly an issue from the supplier (Tremec) with a specific BATCH of transmissions.

Horriffic luck for the Camaro program. How can it be that the T56 and now 6060 have been absolutely BULLET PROOF for almost 2 decades now, and right when GM introduces our new Camaro, a bad batch of trannys gets produced?!?! I own a Viper also, and have not heard of this over there. BUT, the Viper has been out of production for a while now, and they were building so few of them right there at the end, they may not have received any of the bad trannies. Anyone have any insight into the Corvette world to see if THEY are getting bit with this???
You can't make a post like this without providing links...........

So here's the ones I've found...

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f...-issued-81825/
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Thanks Scott..

My car was built a few weeks ago and is almost at the dealer I will be picking the car up at this weekend. I am planning a big roadtrip to get the car in Tampa from Miami however am worried about this situation as my car could be affected. If you do find it is within a certain range of vins, please let us know ASAP. I post my vin below incase there is anyone who can let me know if mines one in the bad batch or near the VIN's of others who have had this problem.. Thanks for your help Scott in seeing us all thru this.

VIN 2G1 FS1E WX A9122517


we will as we find out stuff....

Meanwhile -- I would not be afraid to jump in ANY 6-speed manual SS and drive it across the United States -- turn around -- and drive it back.

On the other hand, I don't 'slam' on my cars -- I DO love performance driving -- and there's a difference between 'performance driving' and "lemme beat hell outta this thing to see what will happen!" --

What I'm saying is this: If you are not out there slamming the car all over the place -- you'll be just fine -- we WILL have a fix for this -- and we are working with the supplier.

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I picked up my 2SS/RS-M6 last week. Vin 15xxx. No problems with the car thus far but I only have 50 miles on it. Cosmetically, the car is outstanding. Less paint flaws than my 2008 BMW M3. I'm concerned about the tranny issues because I will take a road trip this weekend. Can someone please tell me what symptoms to watch for with regard to the tranny? Any help is appreciated. Many regards.
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Old 07-15-2009, 08:25 AM   #360
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we will as we find out stuff....

Meanwhile -- I would not be afraid to jump in ANY 6-speed manual SS and drive it across the United States -- turn around -- and drive it back.

On the other hand, I don't 'slam' on my cars -- I DO love performance driving -- and there's a difference between 'performance driving' and "lemme beat hell outta this thing to see what will happen!" --

What I'm saying is this: If you are not out there slamming the car all over the place -- you'll be just fine -- we WILL have a fix for this -- and we are working with the supplier.

Number one concern: Customer Enthusiasm.
FBODFATHER, any NEW news on the issue. I called and my M6 SS is currently being built, does that mean the problem for the current ones in production is fixed and the hold on shipping is for those already built? Any info would be GREAT. THANKS!!!
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we will as we find out stuff....

Meanwhile -- I would not be afraid to jump in ANY 6-speed manual SS and drive it across the United States -- turn around -- and drive it back.

On the other hand, I don't 'slam' on my cars -- I DO love performance driving -- and there's a difference between 'performance driving' and "lemme beat hell outta this thing to see what will happen!" --

What I'm saying is this: If you are not out there slamming the car all over the place -- you'll be just fine -- we WILL have a fix for this -- and we are working with the supplier.

Number one concern: Customer Enthusiasm.
Thanks Scott for the reply. I guess the only downside is that if I take it easy on the car for too long, I could then potentially have this problem but never know about it until after my warranty expires. I know it is going to be hard testing the car out to see whether or not each car is affected without causing the amount of stress needed for the part to fail. For some that was multiple launches and then it broke, for others a few. For the rest still affected who are not hitting the car hard, the part could fail in a year, or maybe longer if it has a problem. I am glad you are on here and give me your confidence about the car.. However I do think you understand mine and I'm sure many others concern here.. I guess some kind of a test that each dealer can perform for each Camaro SS manual sold within those VIN ranges would ease a lot of worry.. Thanks again.
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FBODFATHER, any NEW news on the issue. I called and my M6 SS is currently being built, does that mean the problem for the current ones in production is fixed and the hold on shipping is for those already built? Any info would be GREAT. THANKS!!!
No. Until we hear back from GM, it is safe to assume that they are still determining the cause of the issue and devising some repair for it. M6 cars will continue to be built, however, they will be stuck in QC and not delivered until the team is absolutely certain you won't get a defective vehicle.
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........I would not be afraid to jump in ANY 6-speed manual SS and drive it across the United States -- turn around -- and drive it back.......On the other hand, I don't 'slam' on my cars -- I DO love performance driving -- and there's a difference between 'performance driving' and "lemme beat hell outta this thing to see what will happen.............What I'm saying is this: If you are not out there slamming the car all over the place -- you'll be just fine.............

Originally Posted by Supermans: (and anyone else too afraid to launch their car hard)

........Thanks Scott for the reply. I guess the only downside is that if I take it easy on the car for too long, I could then potentially have this problem but never know about it until after my warranty expires.......

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You sound like you are disappointed that you can't risk smoking your rear tires.

If you are so worried about your tranny why don't you just launch it a couple of times until something breaks?

You can find out in the next 24 hours if your tranny is okay. During that time you might break both half-shafts and end up with lots of slop and slack in your drive-train. (so shifting the car in daily driving is even worse.)

And your back tires will no longer be balanced (car will shake on the highway) and your drive-shaft (driveline) likely won't be balanced.

You might twist the rear subframe of your car. But who cares right?

GO OUT and SMOKE YOUR TIRES NOW if you are so worried about your tranny then MAKE PLANS to drop it off at the dealership and deal with the service department after that.

And keep BLOCKING OUT Scott's advice which is to just drive your car like a car that you CARE about. Instead of someone who is 15 who just got a license.

FBodfather repeatedly gives advice about how to take care of the car, and everyone repeatedly says back "OH THANKS FBodfather, oh i plan to take it to the track soon...open it up...see what it will do....etc....Like they didn't hear a word FBodfather just said.....

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I was running around 4500 rpm and shifted quick from 3rd to 4th, my clutch stayed disengaged "at mid travel" for 2 seconds!! I wonder if this is related?? I have not had it happen twice.
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My understanding is that they don't quite know what the problem is and what the fix is. Once they get that, they should be able to set up a time frame and will hopefully let everyone know.
Oh the problem is known: The tail shaft shears off inside the trannie. Here is a photo of RRCAMARO holding the culpert.

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Oh the problem is known: The tail shaft shears off inside the trannie. Here is a photo of RRCAMARO holding the culpert.

Actually - that's the symptom, not the problem.
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Oh the problem is known: The tail shaft shears off inside the trannie. Here is a photo of RRCAMARO holding the culpert.
Thanks. I hadn't seen that picture. But I was referring to the cause of the problem. Why is the tail shaft shearing off inside the tranny?
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To Supermans: (and anyone else too afraid to launch their car)

You sound like you are disappointed that you can't risk smoking your rear tires.

If you are so worried about your tranny why don't you just launch it a couple of times until something breaks?

You can find out in the next 24 hours if your tranny is okay. During that time you might break both half-shafts and end up with lots of slop and slack in your drive-train. (so shifting the car in daily driving is even worse.)

And your back tires will no longer be balanced (car will shake on the highway) and your drive-shaft (driveline) likely won't be balanced.

You might twist the rear subframe of your car. But who cares right?

GO OUT and SMOKE YOUR TIRES NOW if you are so worried about your tranny then MAKE PLANS to drop it off at the dealership and deal with the service department after that.

And keep BLOCKING OUT Scott's advice which is to just drive your car like a car that you CARE about. Instead of someone who is 15 who just got a license.

FBodfather repeatedly gives advice about how to take care of the car, and everyone repeatedly says back "OH THANKS FBodfather, oh i plan to take it to the track soon...open it up...see what it will do....etc....Like they didn't hear a word FBodfather just said.....
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Ok, so we know that it's happening to the same transmission in other cars...but I still have no idea what's actually wrong. What IS the issue? Clutch chatter? Synchro grind? Resensbion actuator too slow? Ketlac norgling sensor has false readings? Whatchamacallit failure?

Maybe it was posted in this thread, but if so it hasn't had attention called to it and there's an awful lot to sift through.
GM hasn't said officially what the cause of the problem is. Our guess is the departing output shaft.

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Oh the problem is known: The tail shaft shears off inside the trannie. Here is a photo of RRCAMARO holding the culpert.

That is the guess at this point. For the record it's unconfirmed. But the leading suspect.

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Thanks. I hadn't seen that picture. But I was referring to the cause of the problem. Why is the tail shaft shearing off inside the tranny?
The rumor is they weren't hardened correctly. Obvious, I know....
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Oh the problem is known: The tail shaft shears off inside the trannie. Here is a photo of RRCAMARO holding the culpert.

It's kind of amazing when you think about it; all that power, speed and performance the car is capable of... going through something as small as that.
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Actually - that's the symptom, not the problem.
Close enough...until now I haven't found a post describing even the symptom.

I'm glad it's not a problem with the Resensbion actuator.
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Take the road trip. You should have no problems as long as you don't do a 6000 rpm clutch dump and burnout at every intersection.

That sounds like a long, EXPENSIVE road trip!
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Ultimately, I know this will get resolved, and with the great warranty on GM products, I wouldn't feel cheated.

But I DO feel cheated because I went to McDonalds today and bought an egg mcmuffin, and noticed the ham which USED to be about 4" is now somewhere between 2.5" - 3". But the price keeps going up. I mentioned it, so now I feel better.
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