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Old 07-14-2009, 11:21 AM   #101
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The tranny is a Tremec TR6060, a derivative of the T56......There should be NO reason we cant rev to 6000 RPM and dump the clutch. You dont think any owners of those other cars do that? The tranny isnt the problem, it has to be something specific with a certain batch.
As tempting as it is to drive like that, choose wisely whether you want your car in the shop, or having zero flaws and parked in your driveway....

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A couple of thoughts --

WHAT I RECOMMEND: (....from a PERSONAL viewpoint......)
DO NOT do 6,000 RPMS and then DUMP the clutch.
That's a foolish thing to do....regardless of what you are driving.
I'm not saying you have to 'baby' the car -- but don't go out and 'flog hell outta it!"

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Not to knock you or anything do you realize they are still people waiting from October if not the beginning of this year. You have been waiting one month I waited 6. To me that’s almost insensitive to others anyhow I feel your pain it only gets worse with time and more time and more time.
How long you wait has nothing to do with your order in the build/delivery process. It all depends on your dealers allocation... If you've been waiting 6 months it's your own fault for not going to a dealer with allocations.
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Umm ok, how about the new GTR when Launch Control is used it can seriously damage the vehicle when done too many times and Nissan is refusing the warranties!

or how about when the VW New Beetle was released in 1998 ALL OF THEM WERE RECALLED due to the fuse box on top of the battery possibly catching fire.

I had a 2000 Toyota Celica and the Spoiler bolts had the same problem

New 2009 VW Jetta's have a recall due to the driveshaft bolts backing out of the transmission.

I could go on and on with vehicle issues that have nothing to do with GM but I thnk you get the idea.

You are a systems engineer, good for you. I'm sure you took extensive classes in that field. IT IS NOT THE AUTOMOTIVE FIELD. It may be similar but it is not the same.

I give GM alot of credit for not allowing these cars to leave the plant due to a potential issue.



I'm sure GM is fully aware they are under a microscope which is probably why they are not allowing these cars to leave the factory and they are trying to resolve the problem in-house before they have to release an extensive recall.

I am waiting for a 2SS/RS/LS3 So my wait just got longer. I would much rather wait than have a broken car sitting on a lift in my GM dealership waiting for a part while I am still making payments on the car.
When the new Toyota Tundra came out they were snapping cam shafts like they were toothpicks.
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I think this is a brilliant strategy by GM to weed out the wimps! Want to eliminate whining, "problem" type customers? Just issue a statement of some kind about anything and see who bails out....those are the people you now won't have to sit on the phone with for hours listening to their whining and moaning about every STUPID LITTLE THING they can find to claim the sky is falling.

"Stress" over ordering, waiting for your order?? Give me a break; my GOD we have a lot of total pansies nowadays. Stress is sitting in a waiting room for hours hoping and praying someone you love makes it out of surgery alive and okay. Stress is laying on the table being prepared for that surgery. Stress is being in combat. Stress is wondering moment to moment if you're going to survive in a life-threatening situation.

Having to "wait" a few more days for your high performance luxury car? I'd be absolutely freaking ashamed to claim that was "stress".

Sorry, this thread has been quite a stunner to wake up to this morning... mostly because of some of the comments and the outbreak of chicken little-itis.

EVERY mass manufactured item has various issues along the way, especially one that's brand new and never been produced before. It happens... handle it. It isn't an "issue" until it can't be fixed or the manufacturer refuses to fix it; this isn't an issue. They're on it, they'll fix it. My car is supposed to go TWP on the 27th; do I want to see a delay? No of course not. Am I going to flop around on the floor, scream and whine if there is a delay? No of course not; I'll WAIT like an ADULT until they get this sorted out.

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Yes, it should be built normally, but it will be held in Quality Control until they can be certain the issue is either fixed, or nonexistant.
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Old 07-14-2009, 11:26 AM   #106
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Its amazing to me. The manual transmission has been around forever and such basic tech gets screwed up. Same crap with my 2007 Wrangler the clutch discs made a metallic grinding noise. With such a large recall at such a critical time I think its time to find a new transmission supplier.
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Folks,

Very quickly, having just reviewed this thread quickly, I feel it allows me to see the issue pretty clearly, without getting into debating/responding to alot of the posts here.

*GM/Chevrolet should be commended for addressing the issue immediately, and NOT choosing to ingore it, therefore allowing them to identify and correct this issue asap.*

*Bashing GM/Chevrolet serves NO purpose. EVERY manufacturer has issue's. It's how they're handled which makes the difference. IMO, GM/Chevrolet is going above and beyond to rectify the problem.*


While I understand and appreciate everyone's opinions/thoughts/passion when it comes to Camaro, let's be open minded and look at the BIG picture - GM/Chevrolet has given "us" an awesome car. Let's appreciate that while realizing we're all human.

GM/Chevrolet has shown "us" the respect by bringing this "to light". Let's show the same respect by understanding.

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Alright everybody I just got a call from my dealer!!!

What he told me came from a GM employee who called the plant in Oshawa

and he said the only problem is with the short throw shifter!!!

Nothing is wrong with the regular Manual shifter!!!

So I hope Mods read this!!

He wasnt lying it came straight from the plant!!!!!

So there is no problem with the M6!!

The only constraint there is, is on the Short Throw Shifter!!
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Folks,

Very quickly, having just reviewed this thread quickly, I feel it allows me to see the issue pretty clearly, without getting into debating/responding to alot of the posts here.

*GM/Chevrolet should be commended for addressing the issue immediately, and NOT choosing to ingore it, therefore allowing them to identify and correct this issue asap.*

*Bashing GM/Chevrolet serves NO purpose. EVERY manufacturer has issue's. It's how they're handled which makes the difference. IMO, GM/Chevrolet is going above and beyond to rectify the problem.*


While I understand and appreciate everyone's opinions/thoughts/passion when it comes to Camaro, let's be open minded and look at the BIG picture - GM/Chevrolet has given "us" an awesome car. Let's appreciate that while realizing we're all human.

GM/Chevrolet has shown "us" the respect by bringing this "to light". Let's show the same respect by understanding.

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The only constraint there is, is on the Short Throw Shifter!!
Did he call it a constraint? If so...you two might have been talking about different things.:(

What Team Camaro is investigating right now is a Quality issue, not the short-throw shifter...we'll know more in detail soon.
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Not to knock you or anything do you realize they are still people waiting from October if not the beginning of this year. You have been waiting one month I waited 6. To me that’s almost insensitive to others anyhow I feel your pain it only gets worse with time and more time and more time.
Well said. I've been waiting since 10/15/08.
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Alright everybody I just got a call from my dealer!!!

What he told me came from a GM employee who called the plant in Oshawa

and he said the only problem is with the short throw shifter!!!

Nothing is wrong with the regular Manual shifter!!!

So I hope Mods read this!!

He wasnt lying it came straight from the plant!!!!!

So there is no problem with the M6!!

The only constraint there is, is on the Short Throw Shifter!!
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Did he call it a constraint? If so...you two might have been talking about different things.:(

What Team Camaro is investigating right now is a Quality issue, not the short-throw shifter...we'll know more in detail soon.

Well all I know is there Is nothing wrong with the regular M6 in the SS a GM tech at my dealer called the plant himself and they said nothing was wrong with it!!
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I wonder if the guy who had Stainless works install his exhaust system and then took his car for a nice "test drive" and drove the living hell out of it is having issues with his? haha
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i'm just happy they are putting it under the microscope!
i've got an M6... if they recall it, i'll take it in... the more miles i can get on it before then (if then) the better! ;-)
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My dealer didnt tell me this a GM tech told me and he called the plant himself and they said nothing is wrong with it!!
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I wonder if the guy who had Stainless works install his exhaust system and then took his car for a nice "test drive" and drove the living hell out of it is having issues with his? haha
Tag, your tranny is fine.....
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That is certainly your perogative -- but if I were you, I'd wait. I don't think this 'hold' will be long - -- perhaps a day or two? I DON'T know this and won't until tomorrow -- but when we DO find out, you'll read about it here.
Thanks but this latest delay is just the final straw. I want a car in my garage as opposed to somewhere stuck in the process. My new Vette is being delivered on Friday.
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Folks,

Very quickly, having just reviewed this thread quickly, I feel it allows me to see the issue pretty clearly, without getting into debating/responding to alot of the posts here.

*GM/Chevrolet should be commended for addressing the issue immediately, and NOT choosing to ingore it, therefore allowing them to identify and correct this issue asap.*

*Bashing GM/Chevrolet serves NO purpose. EVERY manufacturer has issue's. It's how they're handled which makes the difference. IMO, GM/Chevrolet is going above and beyond to rectify the problem.*


While I understand and appreciate everyone's opinions/thoughts/passion when it comes to Camaro, let's be open minded and look at the BIG picture - GM/Chevrolet has given "us" an awesome car. Let's appreciate that while realizing we're all human.

GM/Chevrolet has shown "us" the respect by bringing this "to light". Let's show the same respect by understanding.

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Good summary.

All manufacturers have problems at one time or another, and new products typically have more problems than older ones. In most cases, how the manufacturer handles those problems is much more important than the problems themselves. An honest evaluation of the problem and the solution, then following through on the solution -- not ignoring it, in other words -- is the right way to go.

GM is still evaluating the problem (I think). So far they still seem to be on the right track, and I'm satisfied the problem will be addressed. My car is in QC and is likely one of the Problem Children. I just ask that she be treated gently.

Scott, the mods here, participating GM employees, and the other helpful members of camaro5 deserve a round of applause for helping the rest of us.
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Alright everybody I just got a call from my dealer!!!

What he told me came from a GM employee who called the plant in Oshawa

and he said the only problem is with the short throw shifter!!!

Nothing is wrong with the regular Manual shifter!!!

So I hope Mods read this!!

He wasnt lying it came straight from the plant!!!!!

So there is no problem with the M6!!

The only constraint there is, is on the Short Throw Shifter!!


RJT, you are referring to an OLD issue. the Hurst short throw shifter has been on constraints for a long while and you can't even order them anymore.

The new issue is with the transmission's output shaft breaking off. The shifter is not the same as the output shaft. The shiftter is at the top of the tranny, you shift gears with it. The output shaft transfers the power to the driveshaft>diffrential>axles>wheels. When the shaft breaks, your engine still runs, your tranny still shifts, but the car ain't moving!

Have you not read GM's official statement in the HomePage?
Just because someone at the plant says something, it doesn't mean it is EVERYTHING he knows.
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Well all I know is there Is nothing wrong with the regular M6 in the SS a GM tech at my dealer called the plant himself and they said nothing was wrong with it!!
I see. But the fact that GM is holding all SS M6s suggests different. I would request that we wait for a final word from GM before we jump to conclusions of our own. Just to be on the safe side.
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RJT, you are referring to an OLD issue. the short throw shifter has been on constraints for awhile and you can't even order them anymore. The new issue is with the transmission's output shaft breaking off. Have you not read GM's official statement in the HomePage?
Just because someone at the plant says something, it doesn't mean it is EVERYTHING he knows.

Yes I read it and Im guessing they got it fixed then Im going by what the plant guy said!
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I see. But the fact that GM is holding all SS M6s suggests different. I would request that we wait for a final word from GM before we jump to conclusions of our own. Just to be on the safe side.
yeah I know that but they made that statement this morning at like 8:30!!

And they only told you guys!~!

Im not saying I dont belive what yall are saying I am just going by what I have heard!!
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