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Old 07-14-2009, 03:11 PM   #201
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Not to mention, the UAW works a back room deal with the white house for salaries and benefits that far exceeds the market average. Obviously, that doesn't translate into better quality. Before I get flamed here, loose nuts on spoilers, A pillars not installed properly, and major paint issues are all indications of poor workmanship. GM's design has nothing to do with failing to adequately tighten 4 nuts on the spoiler. That is a half ass work ethic and nothing else.
Would you call Ferrari to have poor worksmanship? B/c they have problems like these but worse. The worst paint job I've ever seen came from a Ferrari 360.

Point im making is stop being so critical of GM.
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1500 miles here.................20mpg average per the computer and we've never reset it.......

also...........the poor Hennessey folks and others pulling 600hp outta these gotta be bent..........no warranty there from GM!
They knew the risks going in. We all did buying a 1st year car but the mod community took the risk a big step further.
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well unfortunately i had to read all the crap in these passed 8 pages to see the FEW good post worth reading...bottom line is my car is in QC till further notice because of the V8 M6 problem...i really could care less about who is to blame, shit happens...i just hope my car get to mean b4 august...all i wanted was to have my car to enjoy before winter rolls around...its funny how i was all excited that my car got built and shipped b4 the break for me to prolly now watch cars built after the break get built with a good transmission and make it home b4 mine...guess the jokes on me
That really does suck, but wouldn't you rather have a car that's right, rather than a car that's not? I can understand the wait sucks, and believe when I say that just because I didn't (couldn't) order the first day, I am as eager as any one here; possibly more. This is the first time in 12 years I haven't had a Camaro in my driveway. Just try to keep in mind GM (and Camaro Team) want to get you, and us, a car that will exceed our expectations. That's a tall order too
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MAN! I thought I was losing it when the thread vanished before my eyes
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Old 07-14-2009, 03:18 PM   #207
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You know, it's a shame to be seeing so many posts deleted, members warned, etc., as well as countless time and energy by some of my fellow Mods. "policing" (which is our job, I'm not complaining) some people who cannot seem to participate in a thread without using foul language, bickering, etc.

I UNDERSTAND people being frustrated!

BUT! If you think this is a problem only germain to GM/Chevrolet
If you think GM/Chevrolet intentionally/irresponsibly caused this
If you think GM/Chevrolet is not doing whats in everyones best interest
If you think people showing support for GM/Chevrolet is "blind faith"
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YOU. ARE. WRONG!

If anyone cannot find that they can post a response to this thread/issue without using foul language, bickering, bashing, etc., I ask you to refrain from posting.
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Old 07-14-2009, 03:21 PM   #209
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Old 07-14-2009, 03:22 PM   #210
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*Flame suit ON*

You know, it's a shame to be seeing so many posts deleted, members warned, etc., as well as countless time and energy by some of my fellow Mods. "policing" (which is our job, I'm not complaining) some people who cannot seem to participate in a thread without using foul language, bickering, etc.

I UNDERSTAND people being frustrated!

BUT! If you think this is a problem only germain to GM/Chevrolet
If you think GM/Chevrolet intentionally/irresponsibly caused this
If you think GM/Chevrolet is not doing whats in everyones best interest
If you think people showing support for GM/Chevrolet is "blind faith"
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YOU. ARE. WRONG!

If anyone cannot find that they can post a response to this thread/issue without using foul language, bickering, bashing, etc., I ask you to refrain from posting.

Ok fine, but why can't we (I) speak my mind on the situation. I thought thats what a forum was???
My opinion is not a clone of everyone elses, it differs, and it is my right to say, post and complain as long as I am respectable.

If you agree or not, that's your problem and you are then free to respond.
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A couple of thoughts --

To those who are 'fed up' with GM and "American Products" --

Every manufacturer has issues such as this.

The issue is a supplier problem and it DOES NOT INVOLVE EVERY 6-speed manual transmission.


Once again I'll say this: there IS a downside to sharing information....and this is a perfect example of it.

We could clam up and perhapsyou'd never know about it...but to the Camaro Team, that would not be the right thing to do.

If you think that BMW and Mercedes and other foreign manufacturers don't have similar issues, you're wrong.

WHAT I RECOMMEND: (....from a PERSONAL viewpoint......)


DO NOT do 6,000 RPMS and then DUMP the clutch.

That's a foolish thing to do....regardless of what you are driving.

I'm not saying you have to 'baby' the car -- but don't go out and 'flog hell outta it!"

Meanwhile - we will have more info. as details develop.
For a couple members it broke after 3,000 RPMS and then dumping the clutch. Most of us know other manufacturers have issues just like these.. WE are all glad GM has come out and acknowledged there is a problem and placing the current made Manuals on hold.. I am picking mine up this weekend and will be treating her like a baby. I hope there is a way to discover if mine is affected and so forth and not have to wait until it breaks type of situation.. That is what I am most afraid of, the feeling of not being so sure if my car is going to be reliable or not when I need it the most.. I am glad nobody was injured when the shafts had broken.. I'm sure we'd be in a different situation if there was. Scott, I would definitely like to know how GM is going to figure out who is affected without all of us having to bring the cars back to the dealers. Obviously the dealer would need to know what to look for if we did have to take it in.. Thanks for your help and please keep us as informed as you have been..
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i was talking to my brother who is an engineer and has worked with car companies in the past and he is wondering why GM choose to not stop production and just put them into QC. He said the problem can be too terrible if GM is willing to waste money by not stopping production with the possibility of having to rebuild all of those cars if it is in fact a major problem
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Ok fine, but why can't we (I) speak my mind on the situation. I thought thats what a forum was???
My opinion is not a clone of everyone elses, it differs, and it is my right to say, post and complain as long as I am respectable.

If you agree or not, that's your problem and you are then free to respond.
You are free to post any thoughts/opinions you have. Personally, I encourage you to.

That being said, if they're "geared" towards bickering, calling those who understand/support GM as having "blind faith", etc., that's where the problem lies.

I know you have to know this. Issues like this one happen to ALL MANUFACTURERS. Yes, we've all waited for the Camaro for what seems like an eternity. But unless you're inside GM, see what's involved, etc., please keep an open mind.
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Ok fine, but why can't we (I) speak my mind on the situation. I thought thats what a forum was???
My opinion is not a clone of everyone elses, it differs, and it is my right to say, post and complain as long as I am respectable.

If you agree or not, that's your problem and you are then free to respond.
Look, Stop taking this so personal. It isn't directed at you it's directed at everyone. On both sides of the issue. Like I said in my post earlier. If you have standards that are so high that you can't tollerate this sort of problem with the camaro, then so be it. All we are asking is that in your criticism you be fair and respectful. We are trying to eliminate posts from members that are just Pissed with no other rational. Whether I agree with your assessment or not is irrelevant. But you've called out two mods already. I'd ask that you cool it and continue to participate here.

No one is trying to silence you and your complaint.
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i was talking to my brother who is an engineer and has worked with car companies in the past and he is wondering why GM choose to not stop production and just put them into QC. He said the problem can be too terrible if GM is willing to waste money by not stopping production with the possibility of having to rebuild all of those cars if it is in fact a major problem

Because not all of them are having bad tranny's just some are! That is why they are putting them into QC for pre-caution..
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Look, Stop taking this so personal. It isn't directed at you it's directed at everyone. On both sides of the issue. Like I said in my post earlier. If you have standards that are so high that you can't tollerate this sort of problem with the camaro, then so be it. All we are asking is that in your criticism you be fair and respectful. We are trying to eliminate posts from members that are just Pissed with no other rational. Whether I agree with your assessment or not is irrelevant. But you've called out two mods already. I'd ask that you cool it and continue to participate here.

No one is trying to silence you and your complaint.

If that's the case then thank-you.
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You are free to post any thoughts/opinions you have. Personally, I encourage you to.

That being said, if they're "geared" towards bickering, calling those who understand/support GM as having "blind faith", etc., that's where the problem lies.

I know you have to know this. Issues like this one happen to ALL MANUFACTURERS. Yes, we've all waited for the Camaro for what seems like an eternity. But unless you're inside GM, see what's involved, etc., please keep an open mind.

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i was talking to my brother who is an engineer and has worked with car companies in the past and he is wondering why GM choose to not stop production and just put them into QC. He said the problem can be too terrible if GM is willing to waste money by not stopping production with the possibility of having to rebuild all of those cars if it is in fact a major problem
My guess, totally a guess, is that they already know roughly how many cars are affected and have decided that it's a small enough number to warrant QC instead of full blown production halt. Keep in mind we do know that not all V8 M6 cars will have the problem. So it's reasonable to get good cars to buyers instead of making everyone wait.

Again this is my opinion. Nothing more.
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"DO NOT do 6,000 RPMS and then DUMP the clutch.

That's a foolish thing to do....regardless of what you are driving.

I'm not saying you have to 'baby' the car -- but don't go out and 'flog hell outta it!"

AKA

Don't TRY to break it and then get surprised when you manage to pull it off.

This is good, No hiding, no coverup, just.. hey this is wrong, we will find out the problem and make it right. Really.... What more can you ask for?

Oh and, My subaru had 2 full blown recalls.
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My guess, totally a guess, is that they already know roughly how many cars are affected and have decided that it's a small enough number to warrant QC instead of full blown production halt. Keep in mind we do know that not all V8 M6 cars will have the problem. So it's reasonable to get good cars to buyers instead of making everyone wait.

Again this is my opinion. Nothing more.

If your guess is true then I'm glad they decided to do that!!
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STEP AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER!

LET'S GIVE THIS ISSUE SOME TIME TO RESOLVE ITSELF.

I'M SURE WE'LL ALL BE FINE IN THE END AS WILL OUR BELOVED CAMARO'S.
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STEP AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER!

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I'M SURE WE'LL ALL BE FINE IN THE END AS WILL OUR BELOVED CAMARO'S.

But it's impossible to stay away from the computer when you know this site is all you can think about

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I'M SURE WE'LL ALL BE FINE IN THE END AS WILL OUR BELOVED CAMARO'S.
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