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Old 10-18-2013, 08:50 AM   #69
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I think the GT350 will be the track monster. The Mach 1 was never a track car, more luxury options, although you could option it out to be a strip terror. I love my Boss, so I may opt for the Mach if it appears in 2016 or whenever the rumor is it will hit. The GT350 would have to be Z/28 slaying good by a wide margin for me to opt for that car, but quite honestly I think I would rather have a Porsche GT3,used of course, than another Mustang or Camaro track toy.
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Another thing, I'm not completely comfortable with my Boss as a track toy due to some of the issues I have had, and others have reported on track. I think the 427 LS motor is a pretty bullet proof piece that GM had done a great job with since it's inception.

Styling wise I can't get past a few things on the Camaro, plus the poor visibility, to consider that car. Being a shorter person, it just doen't "fit" as well for me.
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Old 10-18-2013, 09:22 AM   #71
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Another thing, I'm not completely comfortable with my Boss as a track toy due to some of the issues I have had, and others have reported on track. I think the 427 LS motor is a pretty bullet proof piece that GM had done a great job with since it's inception.

Styling wise I can't get past a few things on the Camaro, plus the poor visibility, to consider that car. Being a shorter person, it just doen't "fit" as well for me.
What can't you get past styling wise on the camaro?
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Old 10-18-2013, 09:27 AM   #72
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oh yea, thats what Ford should do for sure. re-introduce the GT350 and have it on the same level as the Z/28. thats would be fun to watch for sure.
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Just my opinion, but to me it looks like the front of the car and the back were designed by two different commitees, and then merged together. I just don't like the back of the car, which to me is even worse now with the 2014 refresh. Also sitting in the car, I found the interior to be sorely lacking. There is a reason you don't put the gauges low on the center console.

With that said, I also am not a big fan of the rear of the 2010-12 Mustang, but I love the front and sides. The 2013 rear is a big improvement in my opinion on the Mustang, but I still think there is room for improvement. To me the Challenger is the best looking of the current crop of cars, but alas, I find it a bit too large and heavy for my taste.

I can't wait to see the next generation of the three cars, even if they replace the Chalenger as rumored with a Barracuda. All appear to be trimming down and getting lighter, which is long overdue.
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Also, I would like to add that even though I post on SVT, I find the tone here much more pleasant and conducive to civil discussion. There are exceptions at times, but overall, nice to be chatting with fellow gearheads!
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Old 10-18-2013, 10:25 AM   #75
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Just my opinion, but to me it looks like the front of the car and the back were designed by two different commitees, and then merged together. I just don't like the back of the car, which to me is even worse now with the 2014 refresh. Also sitting in the car, I found the interior to be sorely lacking. There is a reason you don't put the gauges low on the center console.

With that said, I also am not a big fan of the rear of the 2010-12 Mustang, but I love the front and sides. The 2013 rear is a big improvement in my opinion on the Mustang, but I still think there is room for improvement. To me the Challenger is the best looking of the current crop of cars, but alas, I find it a bit too large and heavy for my taste.

I can't wait to see the next generation of the three cars, even if they replace the Chalenger as rumored with a Barracuda. All appear to be trimming down and getting lighter, which is long overdue.
Oh , ok ! nicely put. I like everything about the 13 mustang exterior styling . I like the challengers but the interior can't hold a candle to the mustang and camaro's interior styling. The Challenger don't have the technology and the mustang and camaro just have too much grabbing your attention in a good way. I do love the size of the Challenger though. The camaro I guess for the ppl that like the recaros that's the only improvement. The camaro and mustang looks good when customized the Challenger not so much.

I was looking at buying a Challenger too. So, you know I do like them. Tome all it has is the old school look .But mustang and camaro headlights are sweet. I don't like the size of the mustang . I really think now the mustang's and the camaro's are the best looking. Well, exclude the 14's . LOL...

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Old 10-19-2013, 08:11 AM   #76
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maybe im confused....The Camaro and the Mustang are and will probably always be rivals. so it would only make sense that they compared the two. would you guys have rathered they compared it to the GT500...which is slower around the track?
While GM won't do it, I would like to see what a GT500 would do with just a brake fluid change and a wheel/tire swap.

600RWHP and those crappy 285 tires must have been an handful...
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Old 10-19-2013, 11:49 PM   #77
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Pretty cool. And the obvious question is exactly the one I would have asked. Who knew? Besides Al that is.

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The ZL1 has always had the magnetic shock system.

This is correct. They "updated" the radio and hill assist in 2013, then the taillights and rear fascia on the 2014 and that's pretty much it. All ZL1's thus far should perform about the same.

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Nice car. But let me get this straight... a yet to be released very expensive Camaro is beating up on a used, reasonably priced 2012 Boss 302 and I'm supposed to be impressed, why exactly?

Oh wait, I know. This pretty much guarantees the next performance variant of the Mustang will be on my shopping list. Thanks Al. And to think I was considering a Porsche next.

Why are you here? Go troll somewhere else and leave the rest of us here to watch our porn in peace please.

It's ok, we have Powerup over there at the svtp site trolling and rubbing it in there faces. Way to go Powerup troll on
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Old 10-20-2013, 08:22 PM   #79
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I have to say the comparisons that GM/Chevy chasing the outdated Mustang chassis (live rear axle), leaves me to be an embarrassed Chevy Camaro owner.

Why they are comparing a 2014 (not even released) Z/28, to a 2012 Boss 302 Laguna Seca. A car that hasn't been in production for over 6-7 mos. now. amazes me.

Watching the video from SVT and Dave Pericaks Videos on the remake of legendary Boss 302. Never did I hear either of them mention Camaro or any GM/Chevorlet products in comparison.

I have to give it to Ford, in keeping the history with there car. Sure, at one point and time (mid 70's) during the gas crisis, the mustang went into a different direction.

But looking at there retro models. They have really set bar (imo), while keeping the history alive and true to its original. They wouldnt make the Boss unless they got the 302 5.0 back. Just like the original, and a high revving specially built motor for the 2012-13 Boss 302 Engines were a real eye opener, and they really did an amazing job on that car. From its suspension, to its Recaro seats, to its special Boss 302 engine. Then when they came out with the 2013 Shelby, for the straight line drag guys. The SVT team really impressed me again. The car runs close to mid 11's stock!

While watching Motor Trends interview with Al, and he stated his "Boss" gave him the exact orders of making a Camaro that is better then any car Ford offers. Personally, I think they are a little late to the game.

I just wish Chevy would stay true with the models they come out with. I love that the new Z/28 is a naturally aspirated car, and finally they put the pig on a diet, and gave decent seats (Recaros). However, it would have been really cool to see Chevy stick to there routes of the original Z/28 (like Ford did) and put the 302 in it, instead of the 427. Again, a 427 powered Z/28, 505 hp, 305 sized R compound tires against Fords 302, live rear axle, out of production car - does not impress one bit. Especially the price tag to be on this Z/28 which will be higher then the ZL1.

I own a 97 SS, and at that time. The SS was the big dog that Chevy offered, since they teamed up with SLP. Outside of the V6, the Z/28 was base V8 F-body (nothing spectacular).

Today, (outside of the V6) The SS is the bottom of the line, then the ZL1, and now the Z/28 is the big dog? Chevy needs to get there product lines in order. Because these comparisons are really embarrassing to us Chevy fans, on comparing apples to apples.
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I have to say the comparisons that GM/Chevy chasing the outdated Mustang chassis (live rear axle), leaves me to be an embarrassed Chevy Camaro owner.

Why they are comparing a 2014 (not even released) Z/28, to a 2012 Boss 302 Laguna Seca. A car that hasn't been in production for over 6-7 mos. now. amazes me.
The racing term "Run what you brung" comes to mind here. The reason why they are comparing the new Zed to the Boss 302 L/S is that Chevrolet is simply comparing the best they have versus Ford. If Ford is coming out with a IRS Mustang, then bring it on.

I don't know why any of this should amaze any one. It's all marketing.
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I see the boss comparison inevitable since the 2 cars are bound from the 60's.
So the Apple to Blueberry comparaison is done and we can now move on to the Apple to Apple with a Porsche GT3 and why not throw in the GT3'RS'4.0.

Since technology is the secret of track success. I hope the Z/28 will prevail where the ZL1 failed against the GTR.
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Today, (outside of the V6) The SS is the bottom of the line, then the ZL1, and now the Z/28 is the big dog? Chevy needs to get there product lines in order. Because these comparisons are really embarrassing to us Chevy fans, on comparing apples to apples.
If you think back to Chevrolet's own advertising from "back in the day", the product line then and the product line now for Camaros is very similar, with the exception of low performance V8s between the I6 and the SS Camaros. The SS was essentially a "straight line" car that was not a corner carver unless you were one of the few that ordered optional suspension components. Take the straight line SS and throw some curves in front of it and the Z/28 would eat it alive. The '69 ZL1 was a very limited numbers car aimed at the drag strip, it was well suited for that purpose and in '69 there were 69 ZL1 Camaros built and 2 ZL1 Corvettes built. Look at their advertising from back then, "We'll start with our strongest. Z/28 Camaro. This is our mean streak.":
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Old 10-20-2013, 10:02 PM   #83
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I have to say the comparisons that GM/Chevy chasing the outdated Mustang chassis (live rear axle), leaves me to be an embarrassed Chevy Camaro owner.

Why they are comparing a 2014 (not even released) Z/28, to a 2012 Boss 302 Laguna Seca. A car that hasn't been in production for over 6-7 mos. now. amazes me.

Watching the video from SVT and Dave Pericaks Videos on the remake of legendary Boss 302. Never did I hear either of them mention Camaro or any GM/Chevorlet products in comparison.

I have to give it to Ford, in keeping the history with there car. Sure, at one point and time (mid 70's) during the gas crisis, the mustang went into a different direction.

But looking at there retro models. They have really set bar (imo), while keeping the history alive and true to its original. They wouldnt make the Boss unless they got the 302 5.0 back. Just like the original, and a high revving specially built motor for the 2012-13 Boss 302 Engines were a real eye opener, and they really did an amazing job on that car. From its suspension, to its Recaro seats, to its special Boss 302 engine. Then when they came out with the 2013 Shelby, for the straight line drag guys. The SVT team really impressed me again. The car runs close to mid 11's stock!

While watching Motor Trends interview with Al, and he stated his "Boss" gave him the exact orders of making a Camaro that is better then any car Ford offers. Personally, I think they are a little late to the game.

I just wish Chevy would stay t
rue with the models they come out with. I love that the new Z/28 is a naturally aspirated car, and finally they put the pig on a diet, and gave decent seats (Recaros). However, it would have been really cool to see Chevy stick to there routes of the original Z/28 (like Ford did) and put the 302 in it, instead of the 427. Again, a 427 powered Z/28, 505 hp, 305 sized R compound tires against Fords 302, live rear axle, out of production car - does not impress one bit. Especially the price tag to be on this Z/28 which will be higher then the ZL1.

I own a 97 SS, and at that time. The SS was the big dog that Chevy offered, since they teamed up with SLP. Outside of the V6, the Z/28 was base V8 F-body (nothing spectacular).

Today, (outside of the V6) The SS is the bottom of the line, then the ZL1, and now the Z/28 is the big dog? Chevy needs to get there product lines in order. Because these comparisons are really embarrassing to us Chevy fans, on comparing apples to apples.
Your the ONLY Camaro fan I've heard of that's embarrassed by the Z/28.
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Seems to me your 97SS is more like a S197...what kind of Camaro man are you? I've read some of your preaching regarding the fabulous Boss302 in your previous post...I'm not impressed.
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I own a 97 SS, and at that time. The SS was the big dog that Chevy offered, since they teamed up with SLP. Outside of the V6, the Z/28 was base V8 F-body (nothing spectacular).

Today, (outside of the V6) The SS is the bottom of the line, then the ZL1, and now the Z/28 is the big dog? Chevy needs to get there product lines in order. Because these comparisons are really embarrassing to us Chevy fans, on comparing apples to apples.
The current gen of Camaros match the first gen of Camaros in terms of trimlines. The RS was the pedestrian model, the SS was the higher performance car, and the Z28 was the "race-ready" model of the V8. Later in the first gen, elements of the RS package could be added to the SS and the Z28, similar to what they do today with the SS/RS.

As far as the Z28 and ZL1 are concerned - I look at them as equals. The Z28 is the balls to wall, track star of the family while the ZL1 is the brutishly strong, more refined car. Sort of what the 911 Turbo is to the GT3(Z28). I don't necessarily think the Z28 is the top dog now that it's newer, more expensive or faster around the 'ring.
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