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Old 10-17-2013, 08:51 PM   #1
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Someone want to explain to me...

.. about the Z/28 not being a daily driver?

Granted, it doesn't have the creature comforts, etc. but is there a more serious reason why Chevy has stated this?

I can see this car as the weekend warrior, breaking it out on nice days, etc. even for those of us that don't have track related aspirations.
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Old 10-17-2013, 09:08 PM   #2
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I'd DD the living crap out of it...
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Old 10-17-2013, 09:12 PM   #3
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Tires are expensive. Brakes are expensive. But it'll drive a little harsh but more than fine for DD
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Old 10-17-2013, 09:12 PM   #4
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How livable is this car on the road…not racing?

If you’ve ever driven a car like the Porsche 911 or something like that, it has a very athletic feel. The spring rates are higher, the ride frequencies are higher, the car’s a lighter weight car, the gearbox is nice and short throws with the high-compression LS7…it’s a very athletic feeling Camaro. It’s very light and nimble.

Speaking of driving it every day, we did an eight-hour night ride where we drove 300 miles in one night. And the car is just a hoot to drive on the street.


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Old 10-17-2013, 09:14 PM   #5
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Its probably similar to how people would daily drive a Vette but not a Viper. Most people would get annoyed by the car on a daily basis but some would not care. Also the tires would probably wear out quickly and are only great in dry warm weather. Not show stoppers but more than some want to deal with. With no AC, rougher ride, little noise insulation - these things depending on your drive and personality could be annoying. You know if they did not highlight this someone would be pissed off and complain but the hardcore enthusiasts know what the deal is and might not driving it daily.
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Old 10-17-2013, 09:15 PM   #6
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I just think that they think your average person expects a more comfortable ride and creature comforts these days, not that the Z/28 couldn't or shouldn't be driven as a DD.
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Old 10-17-2013, 09:48 PM   #7
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What do you mean no creature comforts? it has 4 tires and wheels 2 seats to sit in, power windows what more do you need?
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Old 10-17-2013, 09:53 PM   #8
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About the only thing I can think of is dry sump systems tend to take a long time to get the oil up to temperature. Designed to be driven track-hard and for additional cooling.
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Old 10-17-2013, 09:53 PM   #9
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What do you mean no creature comforts? it has 4 tires and wheels 2 seats to sit in, power windows what more do you need?
No, 4 seats.

Oh, and, power windows are lighter than crank, that's the only reason why.

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Old 10-18-2013, 05:47 AM   #10
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.. about the Z/28 not being a daily driver?

Granted, it doesn't have the creature comforts, etc. but is there a more serious reason why Chevy has stated this?

I can see this car as the weekend warrior, breaking it out on nice days, etc. even for those of us that don't have track related aspirations.
Whoever daily drives it, I don't wanna hear about bitching about how damn expensive the tires are with a 0 treadwear rating and how expensive the Carbon Ceramic rotors and brake pads are. I know someone in Houston will buy one and try to daily drive it, then be in my service drive explaining how shitty it is of Chevrolet to make a cars tires and brakes wear out so fast and they want it warrantied.
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Old 10-18-2013, 06:13 AM   #11
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The suspension is going to be extremely stiff and unforgiving on any kind of surface that's not smooth. I've hit a few bumps on the Parkway in my 1LE that have hurt...I can only imagine what they'd feel like in a Z/28.

And as everyone else said, tires and brakes are going to get expensive very quickly.
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Old 10-18-2013, 06:23 AM   #12
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Whoever daily drives it, I don't wanna hear about bitching about how damn expensive the tires are with a 0 treadwear rating and how expensive the Carbon Ceramic rotors and brake pads are. I know someone in Houston will buy one and try to daily drive it, then be in my service drive explaining how shitty it is of Chevrolet to make a cars tires and brakes wear out so fast and they want it warrantied.
This! I hope whomever decides to DD this thing has deep pockets. It won't be cheap to operate on a daily basis.
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Old 10-18-2013, 06:32 AM   #13
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Tire changes same time as oil changes. Not sure how long brake pads will last. If you can afford it, DD the heck out of it.
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Old 10-18-2013, 06:53 AM   #14
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To DD this car, one will have to swap wheels with something more streetable like the Zl1 or 1Le setup.
I would personally add more sidewall to the tires to help with the harsh road bumps...more like the SS setup.
You lose the look and some performance but who needs it to go to work.
You keep the good stuff for the track! Aarrrrrrr!!
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Old 10-18-2013, 07:15 AM   #15
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this thing has more options than some other cars ive owned in recent history lol. so the creature comforts are there. its more going to be the cost to replace the track specific stuff like tires and brakes that'll add up and make you not wanna drive it every day.

granted you could always buy a set of normal tires and roll around on those and keep the R specs for the track days.

but lets be honest, someone that buys one of these probably has another car as well. so they could just choose to take the Z/28 to work one day if they choose to. but i definetly wouldnt own this as my only car.
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Old 10-18-2013, 07:25 AM   #16
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Its probably similar to how people would daily drive a Vette but not a Viper. Most people would get annoyed by the car on a daily basis but some would not care. Also the tires would probably wear out quickly and are only great in dry warm weather. Not show stoppers but more than some want to deal with. With no AC, rougher ride, little noise insulation - these things depending on your drive and personality could be annoying. You know if they did not highlight this someone would be pissed off and complain but the hardcore enthusiasts know what the deal is and might not driving it daily.
The AC is a option ! But the car don't have a radio for music just for chimes, not like you would need it because you can listen to the beautiful sound of the engine. But I do think ppl will find a easy way to make it a less harsher ride. Like putting the SS wheels on.
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Old 10-18-2013, 07:41 AM   #17
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The AC is a option ! But the car don't have a radio for music just for chimes, not like you would need it because you can listen to the beautiful sound of the engine. But I do think ppl will find a easy way to make it a less harsher ride. Like putting the SS wheels on.
oh for sure...or get a set of ZL1/1LE wheels and roll around on them till you're at the track, then swap em out.
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Old 10-18-2013, 07:50 AM   #18
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The AC is a option ! But the car don't have a radio for music just for chimes, not like you would need it because you can listen to the beautiful sound of the engine. But I do think ppl will find a easy way to make it a less harsher ride. Like putting the SS wheels on.
oh for sure...or get a set of ZL1/1LE wheels and roll around on them till you're at the track, then swap em out. [/QUOTE]
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Yup agree! Which ever tires has the thickest sidewalls
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Old 10-18-2013, 08:59 AM   #19
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I would drive it everyday. My commute is 6.1 miles and I rarely if ever use the AC, or even listen to the radio. If I had a long stop and go commute, I might opt for something a little more liveable. I had a Miata track beast that I drove on long daily commutes and I eventually tired of it, but a short commute would be no issue with the Z/28 as equipped.
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The AC is a option ! But the car don't have a radio for music just for chimes, not like you would need it because you can listen to the beautiful sound of the engine. But I do think ppl will find a easy way to make it a less harsher ride. Like putting the SS wheels on.
I've read in one of the reviews that the A/C option is match with the Full radio/speakers option. They come together.
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Old 10-18-2013, 09:46 AM   #21
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I've read in one of the reviews that the A/C option is match with the Full radio/speakers option. They come together.
It's possible. The rear glass does have the AM/FM radio receiver built into it....
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I've read in one of the reviews that the A/C option is match with the Full radio/speakers option. They come together.
Wow! Well , that would make it a daily driver for me. That's a deal .Well, if the option price is right.
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I've read in one of the reviews that the A/C option is match with the Full radio/speakers option. They come together.
...Don't forget, though, it's radio and (1) speaker total in the driver door only...
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Old 10-18-2013, 10:42 AM   #24
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Cabin noise and NVH are the primary DD issues for the average person- higher durometer bushings and removal of sound insulating materials. No reason for the ride to be "punishing", just very firm. Broken pavement will not be pleasurable.

The carbon ceramic brakes will last "forever" in a street only driven car, so that is of no concern.

Tires are only suitable for +40f use. And you already know they cost $550'ish each. With no burnouts or super aggressive street driving, the Trofeo's will last 5000-8000 street miles. Or approx 4-5 track days depending upon driver's driving style.
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...Don't forget, though, it's radio and (1) speaker total in the driver door only...
Standard yes. Been said that it has an optional full stereo system.
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