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Old 10-17-2013, 01:28 PM   #1
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Tires, temps, and your experiences requested

I live in the moderate climate of Charlotte, NC. I drive my Zed probably once a week and on long road trips (and to the track, when that opportunity presents itself). There's the backstory.

During the holiday season, I do a lot of long-distance driving. That means winter, though not snow on the routes I travel. I know the F1s on the car are supposedly no good under 40 degrees and the manufacturer says not to use them on roads under 20 degrees.

Typical tarmac temps in winter, during the day where I travel, can approach freezing, but not much lower. However, that is a gamble.

My question for you is, should I re-shoe the car for winter driving (again, not in snow or salt). I will not be buying another set of wheels, just tires (which will probably be appropriately sized Conti DWS).

For those who have driven the stock rubber in low temps, what are your thoughts? I've seen varying reports and was wondering if a consensus had been reached. I'd rather not take my daily beater on a long trip.
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Old 10-17-2013, 01:43 PM   #2
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I live in the moderate climate of Charlotte, NC. I drive my Zed probably once a week and on long road trips (and to the track, when that opportunity presents itself). There's the backstory.

During the holiday season, I do a lot of long-distance driving. That means winter, though not snow on the routes I travel. I know the F1s on the car are supposedly no good under 40 degrees and the manufacturer says not to use them on roads under 20 degrees.

Typical tarmac temps in winter, during the day where I travel, can approach freezing, but not much lower. However, that is a gamble.

My question for you is, should I re-shoe the car for winter driving (again, not in snow or salt). I will not be buying another set of wheels, just tires (which will probably be appropriately sized Conti DWS).

For those who have driven the stock rubber in low temps, what are your thoughts? I've seen varying reports and was wondering if a consensus had been reached. I'd rather not take my daily beater on a long trip.
I understand, they reccomend not driving below 40 and not storing below 20. Weather here drops below 40 several times a year and I just didn't drive it then. Today I actually got some Michelin Pilot Super Sports. Good luck, I would be careful, I have seen some pics of those tires that cracked.
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Old 10-17-2013, 02:08 PM   #3
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I drove on the stock tires last winter through the cold weather. No problems for weeks, until one day when applying the throttle, the rear end just broke loose all of a sudden and put me into a curb. I wasn't even getting on it. Those tires are like riding on ice. I strongly discourage using those tires in the low temperatures. If you do decide to keep them on, pay close attention while driving for the first 15 minutes until they can heat up some.
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Old 10-17-2013, 03:32 PM   #4
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The trick is that a six-hour drive at Interstate speeds at night will likely result in a colder road surface than is palatable. I know I'd be better off on the Contis. I'm just trying meekly to not spring for them, as I'd only be on them for about 1500 miles total before spring hit.

Tough to swallow ~$1200 in tires, especially around the holidays.

Thank you for your comments. I suppose I was hoping for someone to tell me it'd be okay. Realist are much more appreciated.
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Old 10-17-2013, 03:52 PM   #5
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I don't think you'll have any issues. I live in west central Florida and last winter we had several weeks of 40 and below temps and I had no issues after letting the tires warm up a bit.
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Old 10-17-2013, 04:13 PM   #6
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Old 10-17-2013, 04:28 PM   #7
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The trick is that a six-hour drive at Interstate speeds at night will likely result in a colder road surface than is palatable. I know I'd be better off on the Contis. I'm just trying meekly to not spring for them, as I'd only be on them for about 1500 miles total before spring hit.

Tough to swallow ~$1200 in tires, especially around the holidays.

Thank you for your comments. I suppose I was hoping for someone to tell me it'd be okay. Realist are much more appreciated.
My experience from last winter was the tires have little to no grip when temps hit between 40-45 degrees. We have a lot of days during the winter where the temps never get out of the 30s let alone 40s. So for this winter, I spent big bucks for replica rims and Pirelli Sotozero tires.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=312252

if I put 1000 miles on these tires during the winter, I'll be shocked. But I justified the expense because my safety in the car is number one priority and I will use them this winter, then next winter, then the next winter and so on. I eventually expect to get my money's worth when all is said and done.
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Old 10-17-2013, 05:39 PM   #8
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The trick is that a six-hour drive at Interstate speeds at night will likely result in a colder road surface than is palatable. I know I'd be better off on the Contis. I'm just trying meekly to not spring for them, as I'd only be on them for about 1500 miles total before spring hit.

Tough to swallow ~$1200 in tires, especially around the holidays.

Thank you for your comments. I suppose I was hoping for someone to tell me it'd be okay. Realist are much more appreciated.
My front tires were just replaced last week at 18,800 miles. My rears we're just replaced last week after about 14,000 miles. I drove daily on them around Charlotte, all year long. My car was garage kept at night and parked outside for 12 - 13 hours each day, all year long. I never experienced any cracking, of the GY's. As far as grip, they did not perform to spec when cold but they were not unmanageable. After a few miles of deliberately modest driving, they performed as well as I would expect any sport tire to perform in 35-45 degree weather.

I would have driven them again this winter if not for the praise that the Michellin, PSS's have received for off season and wet weather performance, and durability. I can't wait to see if the PSS's live up to the hype (and price) over this winter.
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Old 10-17-2013, 07:39 PM   #9
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I was not going to chance it so I went ahead and bought the michelin pilot tires also. After reading all of the threads about how they crack and no traction I thought the price of the michelin tires were cheaper to buy than crashing my car up with loss of traction or a blow out.
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i visit my family in charlotte area often and usually cold holiday times of year. first couple times was on all 4 goodyears and yes they were a little slicker than normal but in my opinion no worse than when they start to get bald and you get caught in florida rain. now i have DR's on the back and still goodyears up front and ill be making my winter trips with the tires i use everyday down here. personally i wouldn't worry until you go a bit further north where the cold really sets in, just drive safer knowing your not sticking like in the summer
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Old 10-17-2013, 08:47 PM   #11
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My front tires were just replaced last week at 18,800 miles. My rears we're just replaced last week after about 14,000 miles. I drove daily on them around Charlotte, all year long. My car was garage kept at night and parked outside for 12 - 13 hours each day, all year long. I never experienced any cracking, of the GY's. As far as grip, they did not perform to spec when cold but they were not unmanageable. After a few miles of deliberately modest driving, they performed as well as I would expect any sport tire to perform in 35-45 degree weather.

I would have driven them again this winter if not for the praise that the Michellin, PSS's have received for off season and wet weather performance, and durability. I can't wait to see if the PSS's live up to the hype (and price) over this winter.
with that said id really like to hear from you what you think of the Michelins. ive been holding off on them because ive just never been impressed with any tire over the years with the style tread pattern the Michelins have. and, i believe half the people on here cant really tell and may think they grip better but only cuz theyre brand new and feel sticky and grippy.
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in the posts with cracked tires i thought they were extreme north like canada
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Old 10-17-2013, 10:27 PM   #13
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Traction:
Cold: none
Warm: none
Hot: works great...

Lol...
I second that motion. I feel that I start losing a lot of grip when outside temps get to 55-60 degrees.

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Old 10-17-2013, 10:47 PM   #14
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with that said id really like to hear from you what you think of the Michelins. ive been holding off on them because ive just never been impressed with any tire over the years with the style tread pattern the Michelins have. and, i believe half the people on here cant really tell and may think they grip better but only cuz theyre brand new and feel sticky and grippy.
I've only been on the Michelins, for 6 days now and my first impression is that they are very grippy. My inside tire used to spin when turning into a 45mph traffic using GYEF1G:2. Frankly, I could easily spin the tires if I gave enough pedal input in first gear in any conditions. The Michelins are much harder to break loose even when cool. I feel much more confident with the throttle on these tires. I chose a more square setup than most, on the Michelins, 285/35ZR20(104Y) Front, 295/35ZR20(105Y) Rear. Given the amount of grip I have experienced so far, I am pleased with this setup.

Besides traction, the most noticeable difference was in the ride. PTM5 on certain roads with GYEF1G:2 would make the car shudder and rattle. With the Michelins, the ride is noticeable softer even in Track Mode. My wife was the real test. She used to scold me when she thought I switched to what she calls "Jackass Mode" (PTM5 or Nannies off). Yesterday, I switched to PTM5 at the light before heading down a particular crappy road that even Tour mode couldn't easily cope with and she didn't notice. I can still perceive the change between Tour, Sport and Track but they are all more plush.

I have not yet tested them in the rain or in 50-Degree weather so I can't speak to my first impressions under those conditions yet.

My 6th day opinion...So far I am very pleased with the Michelins. My car feels better equipped for my daily driving on the Michelins. However, If I was going to track my car knowing only what I know right now, I would probably feel more confident on the Good Years. Simply, because I am more experienced with them.
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Old 10-18-2013, 07:34 AM   #15
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If you drive in sub-50 degree weather with the stock tires, its just a matter of time until you regret it. My experience with the Pilot Super Sports: Cold - makes very little difference, Rain - nearly the same control and grip as in the dry. I was very impressed with wet handling. If you are looking for a dedicated track tire, the stock tires are great. For the street and daily driving the Pilot Super Sports are the best of both worlds. I have no experience with these tires on snow, and doubt it would be a good experience.
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I was able to drive in the cold with the original stock tires but took great care. They have very little traction under 50 degrees. Spin the tires with ease even in 4th gear.

The Michelin's are awesome! Much better in cold and rain.
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Old 10-18-2013, 09:01 AM   #17
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Thanks for the responses. Food for thought.
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Old 10-25-2013, 10:30 AM   #18
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Now that we've been under frost warnings for a few days now. I can comment on how the Michelin Pilot Super Sports feel, to me, when cold.

They completely eclipse the GoodYears for grip in cold temps. They feel stickier at 40 deg than the Good Years felt at 70. Considering how hyped the Good Years were, I don't think they were chosen for their superior grip. From my experience so far, Im already more confident driving on the Michelins for the winter.

If I had to nit pick from my experience so far, I would say that the Michelins insulate road feel. On the Goodyears in PTM5 I felt like I could read the road like it was Braille.
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As long as it's above freezing, I'll be riding on the Goodyears. Otherwise the car will be parked, and I will has a sad.
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I live in the moderate climate of Charlotte, NC. I drive my Zed probably once a week and on long road trips (and to the track, when that opportunity presents itself). There's the backstory.

During the holiday season, I do a lot of long-distance driving. That means winter, though not snow on the routes I travel. I know the F1s on the car are supposedly no good under 40 degrees and the manufacturer says not to use them on roads under 20 degrees.

Typical tarmac temps in winter, during the day where I travel, can approach freezing, but not much lower. However, that is a gamble.

My question for you is, should I re-shoe the car for winter driving (again, not in snow or salt). I will not be buying another set of wheels, just tires (which will probably be appropriately sized Conti DWS).

For those who have driven the stock rubber in low temps, what are your thoughts? I've seen varying reports and was wondering if a consensus had been reached. I'd rather not take my daily beater on a long trip.
...yes, get some winter tires.
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I drove with my GY's in 35 in both dry and rain. They were fine. They do slide and spin more, but if you go the speed limit around corners and don't get on it hard you won't slide. Maybe put it in rain mode.

I have the DWS tires now and they are a much better all season street tire. It makes the car more fun to drive every day. I hated how the GY's picked up all the rocks.
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I chose a more square setup than most, on the Michelins, 285/35ZR20(104Y) Front, 295/35ZR20(105Y) Rear.
I think I'm going the same direction. Can you take a couple of pics of the rears so that I can see how they "stretch" on the 11" wide rims?
Also a shot from the side so I can see if the .3" shorter tire is actually noticable?
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I live in the moderate climate of Charlotte, NC. I drive my Zed probably once a week and on long road trips (and to the track, when that opportunity presents itself). There's the backstory.

During the holiday season, I do a lot of long-distance driving. That means winter, though not snow on the routes I travel. I know the F1s on the car are supposedly no good under 40 degrees and the manufacturer says not to use them on roads under 20 degrees.

Typical tarmac temps in winter, during the day where I travel, can approach freezing, but not much lower. However, that is a gamble.

My question for you is, should I re-shoe the car for winter driving (again, not in snow or salt). I will not be buying another set of wheels, just tires (which will probably be appropriately sized Conti DWS).

For those who have driven the stock rubber in low temps, what are your thoughts? I've seen varying reports and was wondering if a consensus had been reached. I'd rather not take my daily beater on a long trip.
YES. If you value your safety, and that of others on the road and of your car itself...get winter tires if you plan to drive it in the winter. The Goodyears have one critical disadvantage: cold temps. They are miserable in the cold.

Does the car still roll? Yes...is it made of glass? No.....but the minute that freak situation occurs - your stopping distance in the cold will not be enough.

Please, please, please....from someone who's driven that car for two years, and plans to get a 1LE with the same rubber: GET WINTER TIRES. (I am )

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Considering how hyped the Good Years were, I don't think they were chosen for their superior grip.
Make no mistake - that is exactly why they were chosen. Especially lateral grip...Have you driven on the OE tires around a track, yet?
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Old 10-27-2013, 05:49 PM   #25
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Don't mess around with the cold temps! My car had never been driven yet and the dealer delivered mine to me via flat deck on Boxing Day last year. I had paid for the car and had asked them to just keep it there until a warmer day for flat deck transport but nooooo they had to get it off the lot and and had a flat deck deliver the car to me. I even asked about the tire bulletin warnings and they chose to ignore it. It was -7 Celsius which is approx 17 F and my tires cracked from rolling the car 10 feet. In the spring the dealership replaced the tires no charge but they were not to happy about it. Those who roll the dice in regards to cold weather driving on F1 G2's at some point will get burnt! Don't mess with your safety!
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