Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com
 
ModBargains
Go Back   Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com > Engine | Drivetrain | Powertrain Technical Discussions > Forced Induction - V8

Forced Induction - V8 V8 Supercharger, turbo, nitrous discussions

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 07-14-2009, 01:14 PM   #1
kellertxgen5
 
kellertxgen5's Avatar
 
Drives: 2LT RS - Black w' black 21's
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Keller, TX
Posts: 272
What are the pros and cons of supercharger vs. turbo

Some factors:

cost
potential damage to car (stress to parts etc)
warranty status?
gas mileage
performance
installation
anything else I missed

Thanks!
__________________
Black 2LT RS w/ Black 21's Driving since 7/17

kellertxgen5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2009, 01:34 PM   #2
Crowley
Okie doke
 
Crowley's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 GT500
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: McKinney Texas
Posts: 3,770
Quote:
Originally Posted by kellertxgen5 View Post
Some factors:

cost
potential damage to car (stress to parts etc)
warranty status?
gas mileage
performance
installation
anything else I missed

Thanks!
This will open a can of worms .. I'll give it my best try having owned both, but I am by no means an expert.

Both will cause more stress to parts and will definately affect / void your warranty. Typically I would say that a supercharger solution should be a bit cheaper than a proper turbo solution. Most superchargers should be a little bit easier to install than a turbo charger solution. I'd say performance is basically up to what you want to do. If you keep the LS3 stock, I would be they all perform basically the same at the low boost you will produce without breaking your engine. The big differences will be when you want to turn up the boost. The turbo should be a bit more efficient but you may sacrifice some low end (although some small turbos will spool pretty quick and can be compariable to a top mount S/C in regards to low end.

Both solutions will need a good tune. This will be the heart of your solution and shouldn't be overlooked or taken with a grain of salt. Make sure you get a good tune and if it is your daily driver, get a nice safe tune. You may sacrfice a little power, but will make up for it in reliability.

Anyway, I know I danced around your question a bit, but I don't think you can go wrong either way. My choice would be top mount supercharger with an intercooled solution.

Crowley
__________________
Crowley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2009, 01:40 PM   #3
GTAHVIT
One Lucky Guy.
 
GTAHVIT's Avatar
 
Drives: #22 Tom Henry Racing 2010 2SS/RS
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Saint Augustine FL
Posts: 28,765
Quote:
Originally Posted by kellertxgen5 View Post
Some factors:

cost
potential damage to car (stress to parts etc)
warranty status?
gas mileage
performance
installation
anything else I missed

Thanks!
I'm by no means the expert but here is what I've seen... Keep in mind this is based on Daily Driver/Street applications.

cost:
Super chargers are generally less expensive. Particularly the centrifugal ones. Then Roots/Twin screw then TC assuming it's a twin set up.

potential damage to car (stress to parts etc):
They are all going to cause the engine to wear faster. Especially when you have high boost and high compression ratio. You can do Low boost and high CR or high boost and low CR but not high both. The biggest complaint agianst Turbos is heat. They generate a ton.

warranty status?:
Some tuners will warranty the FI kit if they install it. Lingenfelter is one of the most notable But if you do it yourself there is no warranty normally.

gas mileage:
This is purely based on driving style, FI can actually increase your MPG if you drive it like a blue hair granny. But No one has that much self control and it defeats the purpose of even having FI... Which is to try and put the loud pedal through the firewall every time you step on it. So forget about MPG..

performance:
Well for a DD they all will get pretty close. The general consensus around here is that 600hp is about as much as you want on a street driven car. And any FI Kit will get you there no problems. As far as power delivery goes. Roots and Twin screw will give you almost instant power delivery Neck snapping in some cases. Centrifugla SC and Turbos have a much smoother power delivery which make them a little more "driveable". Again this is personal preference. As far as what gets you more power? Well unless you want a Roots blower from a Top fuel dragster, a twin turbo is your best bet for 800+ HP... MHO

installation:
Typically SC's are easier to install as they are basically an intake manifold swap and a intercooler install. Most are bolt on kits Turbos, IMVHO, aren't bolt on no matter what the manufacturer tells you. It is a more complicated system and unless you are a very experienced I wouldn't mess with it. Have someone else do it for you. Which in reality, goes for any FI kit.

anything else I missed:
There is a lot more to FI than what I mentioned here. Exhaust gas temps, forged bottom ends and the drive train upgrades needed to harness all the extra power you get from FI... But that gets beyond what I'm comfortable taking about. Any of these FI system must be tuned by an experienced ECM tuner... an absolute must.

Hope this helps.

By the way there are tons of old threads out there that you may want to search for.

GTAHVIT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2009, 01:48 PM   #4
SoloSK71
 
SoloSK71's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Canada
Posts: 499
Quote:
Originally Posted by kellertxgen5 View Post
cost
An S/C will BASE price around 5% to 10% lower than a turbo. A PROPERLY set up S/C will be about 5% to 10% more than a turbo.
Quote:
Originally Posted by kellertxgen5 View Post
potential damage to car (stress to parts etc)
Other than different methods of obtaining power, a turbo using exhaust gas and an S/C using a pulley off the engine, boost pressure is boost pressure. No difference.
Quote:
Originally Posted by kellertxgen5 View Post
warranty status?
Affect slightly different areas of the vehicle prior to the engine, otherwise no difference
Quote:
Originally Posted by kellertxgen5 View Post
gas mileage
A S/C *should* give slightly better gas mileage at lower speed. Once you open them up, it does not matter.
Quote:
Originally Posted by kellertxgen5 View Post
performance
For current generations, a similar sized turbo and S/C will have very close performance.
Quote:
Originally Posted by kellertxgen5 View Post
installation
S/C will be a LITTLE harder to install, but nothing serious. Maybe a half hour difference on 6 to 8 hours.
Quote:
Originally Posted by kellertxgen5 View Post
anything else I missed
I personally like the S/C whine more than the turbo whine. Other than that, whatever floats your boat.

- SK
__________________
- 2G1FT1EW9A9132212
- Life is hard when destiny believes in you.
- As coherent as a pit bull in a spin dryer. A dribbling tartan frothbucket.
- Good money, bad girls. How can life be any better?
- God saves. The devil invests.

- This may be the ultimate guide to problem solving.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyCarlo View Post
it's not a WD-40 problem, so it's got to be a duct tape problem
SoloSK71 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2009, 01:54 PM   #5
2010 2-Tone


 
2010 2-Tone's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 RY 2SS with Custom Stripes
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Jennings, La.
Posts: 2,287
Well put guys!!!! I agree with all.
2010 2-Tone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2009, 01:54 PM   #6
Paperer
Ragin' Cajun
 
Paperer's Avatar
 
Drives: '02 Camaro SS - '10 CGM 2SS/RS
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Texas/Oklahoma
Posts: 1,170
I am no expert either but:

SuperChargers sound like "Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrn!"

Turbo's are like "BOOOOOSHHHHHTttttttt!"
__________________
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/paper2302/Siggy.jpg
Paperer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2009, 02:14 PM   #7
radz28
Petro-sexual
 
radz28's Avatar
 
Drives: Ultra-Grin
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Crapramento, Crapifornia
Posts: 13,040
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paperer View Post
I am no expert either but:

SuperChargers sound like "Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrn!"

Turbo's are like "BOOOOOSHHHHHTttttttt!"
__________________
"...What IS true: We anticipated that this would happen - we are never finished - and yes, Ford DOES deserve to win now and then. To think that GM can come out with a car to make ford throw in the towel is simply foolhardy..." - fbodfather
radz28 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2009, 03:48 PM   #8
Ferrarimk13
 
Ferrarimk13's Avatar
 
Drives: Hopefully a Camaro in a year
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Staten Island, NY
Posts: 729
but superchargers dont have the cool sound of the blow off valve. =D
Ferrarimk13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2009, 04:13 PM   #9
SoloSK71
 
SoloSK71's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Canada
Posts: 499
It really does come down to which sound you like best these days.

- SK
__________________
- 2G1FT1EW9A9132212
- Life is hard when destiny believes in you.
- As coherent as a pit bull in a spin dryer. A dribbling tartan frothbucket.
- Good money, bad girls. How can life be any better?
- God saves. The devil invests.

- This may be the ultimate guide to problem solving.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyCarlo View Post
it's not a WD-40 problem, so it's got to be a duct tape problem
SoloSK71 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2009, 04:23 PM   #10
ToddSS
ZZ Motorsports Sales Rep
 
ToddSS's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 SIM 1SS
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: moving to Texas
Posts: 149
It all depends on how far you want to take your build. If your happy with X amount of horsepower then a Supercharger might be right for you. If your like me and get a little taste of boost its like crack, and you'll want more and more.

Superchargers may be cheaper up front but there are some problems that come with them. I currently have a SRT-10 with a Paxton on it and I change my belt every oil change due to the belt starting to slip.

Centrifugal S/C higher HP in upper RPM range comes with an intercooler
Roots type S/C/ mass amount of power down low usually with no intercooler
Turbo's can make a ton more boost then any S/C but cost more upfront
ToddSS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2009, 10:00 PM   #11
Ruben Rocha
 
Drives: 1989 camaro I-Roc Z-28 "STOCK"
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Brownsville,TX 78521
Posts: 2
why dont you just put a supercharger and twin turbo????
Ruben Rocha is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Sunroof Option: Yes or No...Pros and Cons DCJ 5th Gen Camaro SS LS LT General Discussions 55 06-24-2009 09:04 AM
What do you think the pros and cons are of these colors? Ant 5th Gen Camaro SS LS LT General Discussions 18 03-22-2009 06:33 PM
Supercharger or Turbo? Congoman775 Forced Induction - V8 75 08-03-2008 01:41 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:31 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.