Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com
 
HeadlightArmor
Go Back   Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com > General Camaro Forums > Camaro Z/28 Forum - Z/28 Specific Topics

Camaro Z/28 Forum - Z/28 Specific Topics Discussions related to the 5th gen Camaro Z/28 model

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 10-21-2013, 08:16 PM   #26
90503


 
Drives: 2011 2SS/RS LS3
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Torrance
Posts: 10,254
Nice Clyde, thanks. I guess this 5thGen Z/28 weight reduction is all this type of thing we'll see for the 5thGens...all good...

6th Gens should be monsters!
90503 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2013, 08:46 PM   #27
DGthe3
Moderator.ca
 
DGthe3's Avatar
 
Drives: 05 Grand Am GT
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Niagara, Canada
Posts: 21,866
Send a message via MSN to DGthe3
The important thing to think about when looking at the weight of a Z/28 vs an SS is not really what the actual numbers are but where that weight is. On the Z/28 they took a bunch of un-sprung weight out of the wheels & tires. That makes the wheels more responsive to the pavement. When they thinned out the rear glass, that took out some weight that was sitting up high, thus lowering the CG.

The engine is heavier, but its a dry sump system. It sits lower, and the added weight of the reservoir sits (presumably) towards the middle of the car. Lower CG & better polar moment. I imagine that the axles are a tad stouter than the SS units, which again lowers the CG. Same thing with a beefier suspension.

Looking at the basic specs isn't enough to understand whats going on with the Z/28. You have to dig deeper. And the deeper I dig, the more impressed I get. It all fits with a single mindedness, a single purpose. This is a car build to do one thing, and do it awesomely. And that one thing is "To beat the shit out of anything Ford can out on the road"
__________________
Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them
__________________
don't believe a thing you read about the next gen Camaro -- as history has proven time and time again:

WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT FUTURE PRODUCT PLANS PERIOD FbodFather
__________________

Camaro5 Fest sub-forum
DGthe3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2013, 08:56 PM   #28
mlee
H-Town Camaro Club
 
mlee's Avatar
 
Drives: Number Twenty-Three
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Conroe, TX
Posts: 23,770
Name:  Capture.JPG
Views: 120
Size:  99.7 KB
__________________
.
mlee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2013, 09:00 PM   #29
OldScoolCamaro


 
Drives: Camaro's, always have, always will.
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Home of the brave
Posts: 4,859
Quote:
Originally Posted by DGthe3 View Post
The important thing to think about when looking at the weight of a Z/28 vs an SS is not really what the actual numbers are but where that weight is. On the Z/28 they took a bunch of un-sprung weight out of the wheels & tires. That makes the wheels more responsive to the pavement. When they thinned out the rear glass, that took out some weight that was sitting up high, thus lowering the CG.

The engine is heavier, but its a dry sump system. It sits lower, and the added weight of the reservoir sits (presumably) towards the middle of the car. Lower CG & better polar moment. I imagine that the axles are a tad stouter than the SS units, which again lowers the CG. Same thing with a beefier suspension.

Looking at the basic specs isn't enough to understand whats going on with the Z/28. You have to dig deeper. And the deeper I dig, the more impressed I get. It all fits with a single mindedness, a single purpose. This is a car build to do one thing, and do it awesomely. And that one thing is "To beat the shit out of anything Ford can out on the road"
....nice post DG.... It will do what it's designed to do....carve corners and run right back into them deep.....a wheel mans car for shure. Ford has no answer right now.
__________________
In Scott We Trust...all others must show proof.
OldScoolCamaro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2013, 09:18 PM   #30
The Stig
knows 2 facts about ducks
 
The Stig's Avatar
 
Drives: ...and they're both wrong
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: The HMS Invincible
Posts: 26,700
Quote:
Originally Posted by mlee View Post
I want this "lighter rear seat assembly" for my Z
__________________
Click to view my build thread
The Stig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2013, 09:33 PM   #31
DGthe3
Moderator.ca
 
DGthe3's Avatar
 
Drives: 05 Grand Am GT
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Niagara, Canada
Posts: 21,866
Send a message via MSN to DGthe3
Quote:
Originally Posted by mlee View Post
those 10 items equal 52.22 kg, or 114.884 lbs. Presumably there are a handful of things in the 2.7 to 4.6 kg range ... so perhaps 130 lbs or so of weight removed, before some of it was added back in in the engine & what not
__________________
Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them
__________________
don't believe a thing you read about the next gen Camaro -- as history has proven time and time again:

WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT FUTURE PRODUCT PLANS PERIOD FbodFather
__________________

Camaro5 Fest sub-forum
DGthe3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2013, 10:41 PM   #32
mlee
H-Town Camaro Club
 
mlee's Avatar
 
Drives: Number Twenty-Three
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Conroe, TX
Posts: 23,770
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stig View Post
I want this "lighter rear seat assembly" for my Z
...me too.

Quote:
Originally Posted by DGthe3 View Post
those 10 items equal 52.22 kg, or 114.884 lbs. Presumably there are a handful of things in the 2.7 to 4.6 kg range ... so perhaps 130 lbs or so of weight removed, before some of it was added back in in the engine & what not
I think that was just a top and bottom 5 items. No mention of speakers.
__________________
.
mlee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2013, 11:52 PM   #33
DGthe3
Moderator.ca
 
DGthe3's Avatar
 
Drives: 05 Grand Am GT
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Niagara, Canada
Posts: 21,866
Send a message via MSN to DGthe3
Quote:
Originally Posted by mlee View Post
I think that was just a top and bottom 5 items. No mention of speakers.
Yeah, looking back I only fudged in 15 lbs for the 'missing middle' and that might be a little low. I don't really know how far off it is, but I imagine they add up to maybe 30 or 40 lbs instead of 15. But thats still a pure guess.
__________________
Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them
__________________
don't believe a thing you read about the next gen Camaro -- as history has proven time and time again:

WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT FUTURE PRODUCT PLANS PERIOD FbodFather
__________________

Camaro5 Fest sub-forum
DGthe3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2013, 06:04 AM   #34
joelster
 
Drives: '94 Z28+ '14 1LE
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Tonawanda, NY
Posts: 593
I'm sure if I really wanted to I could get an easy 100lbs out of the car and you wouldn't even notice. There's a lot of parts on a car that are designed for ease of assembly, and are designed for quick production to bang these parts out. You can trim metal here and there and remove sound deadening in various places without effecting a thing. Sometimes I look at certain tiny things and notice how overbuilt they are like muffler hangers, and length of certain bolts and whatnot. If you mind the ounces the pounds will come.
__________________
'94 Z28, 414" LT1, 10.15 at 133.65 N/A pump gas
'14 1LE, NPP, 12.991 at 109.40
joelster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2013, 04:35 PM   #35
The Stig
knows 2 facts about ducks
 
The Stig's Avatar
 
Drives: ...and they're both wrong
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: The HMS Invincible
Posts: 26,700
Quote:
Originally Posted by mlee View Post
...me too.


I think that was just a top and bottom 5 items. No mention of speakers.
Where'd you find that document btw?
__________________
Click to view my build thread
The Stig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2013, 05:16 PM   #36
mlee
H-Town Camaro Club
 
mlee's Avatar
 
Drives: Number Twenty-Three
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Conroe, TX
Posts: 23,770
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stig View Post
Where'd you find that document btw?
It was part of the media event earlier this week.
__________________
.
mlee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2013, 05:19 PM   #37
The Stig
knows 2 facts about ducks
 
The Stig's Avatar
 
Drives: ...and they're both wrong
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: The HMS Invincible
Posts: 26,700
Quote:
Originally Posted by mlee View Post
It was part of the media event earlier this week.
Ah ok.

Wondering if we could get the full weight reduction list from anywhere.
__________________
Click to view my build thread
The Stig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2013, 09:47 PM   #38
OldScoolCamaro


 
Drives: Camaro's, always have, always will.
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Home of the brave
Posts: 4,859
Quote:
Originally Posted by joelster View Post
I'm sure if I really wanted to I could get an easy 100lbs out of the car and you wouldn't even notice.
...that is highly doubtful, and if you could do it, it would not be cost effective.
__________________
In Scott We Trust...all others must show proof.
OldScoolCamaro is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:44 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.