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Old 11-14-2013, 08:32 PM   #1
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How can I get the max performance value, without losing factory warrantee

I have a new 2014 2SS/RS 1LE. I have a few questions.
1. What kind of performance tweaks can I do while keeping my factory warrantee intact.
2. What are the best value performance enhancements, keeping in mind I would like to use this as Daily Driver
Please put the performance enhancements in order of best value /bang for the buck.

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Old 11-14-2013, 08:47 PM   #2
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Not sure about warranty but I know some long tube headers, intake, tune, and a cam should really wake it up.
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Old 11-14-2013, 09:05 PM   #3
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I have a new 2014 2SS/RS 1LE. I have a few questions.
1. What kind of performance tweaks can I do while keeping my factory warrantee intact.
2. What are the best value performance enhancements, keeping in mind I would like to use this as Daily Driver
Please put the performance enhancements in order of best value /bang for the buck.

Thanks
There are lots of great info and threads about your topic in the bolton section. But as a rule of thumb chassis mods are safe and some engine mods are okay. But if you tune, supercharge, cam, overbore, turbo, or add nitrous, your motor warranty is toast.
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Not sure about warranty but I know some long tube headers, intake, tune, and a cam should really wake it up.
The tunes going to void powertran warranty. With headers and intake you MAY be able to get away with out a tune, but its not what many would reccomend, nor is it something i would do myself. The CAM is goign to 100% require a tune. Also, for a DD a cam job is probably a poor suggestion. you'll be trading some power for street mannors.

you could go with SLP SC and maintain a warranty via SLP but its not cheap. probably 10k or so and can be done at any slp approved shop.

I'm interest to see what people post. deff. a thread i'll follow.

But anything that is going to require a tune is out.

I think for the most part you'll get the "you got to pay to play comments"
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There are lots of great info and threads about your topic in the bolton section. But as a rule of thumb chassis mods are safe and some engine mods are okay. But if you tune, supercharge, cam, overbore, turbo, or add nitrous, your motor warranty is toast.
there are ways to Supercharge and keep a warranty. its a non transfearable warranty from what i've seen.
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Old 11-14-2013, 09:12 PM   #6
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What about cold air intake and performance chips? Do they mess with the warranty?
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Old 11-14-2013, 09:15 PM   #7
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I have a new 2014 2SS/RS 1LE. I have a few questions.
1. What kind of performance tweaks can I do while keeping my factory warrantee intact.
2. What are the best value performance enhancements, keeping in mind I would like to use this as Daily Driver
Please put the performance enhancements in order of best value /bang for the buck.

Thanks
Cold Air intake wakes up the LS3 more and for less $$ than most other mods. Long-tube headers would be next best bang-for-buck....

Suspension is damn-near perfect for the car....but if that's something you love to change about your cars...Pedders USA has an enhancement package that will tighten everything up and maximize feel & response for a modest price.

If you like....you can keep your eyes peeled for prices and availability of Z/28-derived performance goodies from Chevy, too.

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What about cold air intake and performance chips? Do they mess with the warranty?
Cold-air intakes...so long as there's no tune...are generally okay. Unless it's a poorly-designed unit that leans out the engine to the point of damage (to my knowledge, none for sale by vendors on this forum would do that).

Remember: your warranty is in-tact unless the dealer can prove your modification caused vehicle component failure. Most of the time, however - it is very easy for them to prove "you dun it". Recalibrations of any kind are the one automatic-warranty-void: One of the first things GM requires the service tech to check before approving a warranty claim is the ECM...
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Cold Air intake wakes up the LS3 more and for less $$ than most other mods. Long-tube headers would be next best bang-for-buck....

Suspension is damn-near perfect for the car....but if that's something you love to change about your cars...Pedders USA has an enhancement package that will tighten everything up and maximize feel & response for a modest price.

If you like....you can keep your eyes peeled for prices and availability of Z/28-derived performance goodies from Chevy, too.
wyndham...I'd love to hear your opinion on intake and headers with no tune?....

I was under the impression a tune is highly highly reccomended in this case. Wouldnt the headers cause CEL's? but I would love to be educated
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Old 11-14-2013, 09:26 PM   #9
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wyndham...I'd love to hear your opinion on intake and headers with no tune?....

I was under the impression a tune is highly highly reccomended in this case. but would love to be educated
I'm no tuner...so take my comments for what they're worth.

It is recommended. But I know a few who have the intake/header combo without a tune with much success. The only real downside...is sometimes bad O2 readings, and therefore trouble codes.

The intake/header combination improves the pumping efficiency of the engine drastically over OE, and leaves some power on the table with regards to tuning to take advantage of this new "breathing efficiency".

If memory serves...it's about right for people to see gains of between 30 and 40 rwhp with intake/headers & no-tune, depending on the products....and in between 50-65 rwhp with the same products and a good tune. Could be off just a little bit.
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Old 11-14-2013, 10:18 PM   #10
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all depends on your dealer.
mine said dyno tune. warrantys out. no questions asked
handtune...... revert it to stock when i bring it in then put my tune back on in the bay if i want to, as long as its not there when they have possession.
headers- dont effect. tuning them however with the dyno/hand tuner. is what does.

anything that the engine is in any way taken apart. by by warranty. if they can connect it to the problem they will. most likely.

intake, plugs, wires, exhaust should be 100% fine. ported throttle body, i would assume would be fine. partially because they would never even notice as it looks the same

i would say the BEST thing to make your car faster, find a local professional driving course, and take it for giggles. you might learn something new. even if you are a skilled driver. (not saying your not, obviously i dont know your driving skill)
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Old 11-14-2013, 11:01 PM   #11
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all depends on your dealer.
mine said dyno tune. warrantys out. no questions asked
handtune...... revert it to stock when i bring it in then put my tune back on in the bay if i want to, as long as its not there when they have possession.
headers- dont effect. tuning them however with the dyno/hand tuner. is what does.

anything that the engine is in any way taken apart. by by warranty. if they can connect it to the problem they will. most likely.

intake, plugs, wires, exhaust should be 100% fine. ported throttle body, i would assume would be fine. partially because they would never even notice as it looks the same

i would say the BEST thing to make your car faster, find a local professional driving course, and take it for giggles. you might learn something new. even if you are a skilled driver. (not saying your not, obviously i dont know your driving skill)
how would they ever distinquish between a dyno tune and a hand tune? Its not like it specifies in the ecu. the mailed tunes and stock tunes on handhelds were created on or from dyno results. its just a canned dyno tune mailed or provided to you on a handheld! Really they are all the same, one just hasa reputation of being more precise to your car. you can revert back to a stock tune for both dyno and handheld but the dealer can still see you've previously flashed the ecu. At a dealer level you may get away with this, but its depentant from dealer to dealer. but if you need major repairs and GM needs to approve it, you will most likely be in for a big surprise having any tune, hand, canned/mailed, or dyno.

See if you can get this in writing from your dealer. i'd bet a boat load of money they wont put it in writing. And who's to say that guy you spoke to is around when you need those repairs.

I think most would agree, a tune of any kind voids GM powertrain warranty. There certainly isnt anything that would suggest a hand tuner would keep a warranty valid while a dyno tune would void, or vise versa.

I have nothing against tuning, and will most likely go that route. But when I do, i understand the powertrain warranty is gone.

OP - Basically if you mod for performance, do so knowing your warranty is in jeapordy
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wyndham...I'd love to hear your opinion on intake and headers with no tune?....

I was under the impression a tune is highly highly reccomended in this case. Wouldnt the headers cause CEL's? but I would love to be educated
On my MINI, when I installed a header I had CEL's but installed a module in the rear O2 sensor wiring that told the computer all was well. Maybe there is a similar one that would work on the Camaro? I got it off ebay at the time and I don't think it was vehicle specific. My dealer actually told me about them as an easy fix since the rear O2 sensor is only there to check the cat function and is not used to adjust the engine operating parameters.
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Difference is. You can't keep a dyno machine in your glove box and revert your ecu to factory at any time.
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Old 11-14-2013, 11:16 PM   #14
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But do the codes reveal that you've tuned it?
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Here is a link to a O2 simulator that splices into the rear O2 wiring harness.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-Mi...dc027d&vxp=mtr

Two are required for the Camaro but not too expensive at $20 ea.
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It leaves a footprint. But idk what kind. My particular dealer said as long as it's factory when they get it. It's ok. Like I said it's per dealer what they'll allow
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Difference is. You can't keep a dyno machine in your glove box and revert your ecu to factory at any time.
You can save you stock tune to a handheld, you can also save a dyno tune on a handheld. It's just a file.

I get yr point though, that why you pay for a dyno and a handheld to store it on. But people have done crazier things
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But do the codes reveal that you've tuned it?
The codes aren't what tells them its tuned. A proper tune and you wouldn't ever have codes unless you had a real issue. It's the ecu that would show a record of data change. If you have an issue, the first thing a tech is going to do is plug io the ecu to see what it's reading in regards to any issue. When they do this they'll see you've changed settings away from stock
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I was reading somewhere that the GM LS9 cam from the ZR1 could add about 20hp to the LS3 with no tune.
Is it not true? Will it fry your motor?
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The codes aren't what tells them its tuned. A proper tune and you wouldn't ever have codes unless you had a real issue. It's the ecu that would show a record of data change. If you have an issue, the first thing a tech is going to do is plug io the ecu to see what it's reading in regards to any issue. When they do this they'll see you've changed settings away from stock
I bet that it changes a 0 to a 1 in there somewhere and thats how they can tell it has been flashed even if it is back to a stock tune. I imagine that the guy at the dealer is saying that as long as it has a stock tune when he takes it in its fine but GM isnt cool with that
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Put in a cam and you can kiss every part of your warranty goodbye
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I put JBA shorties on my 2011 1LTRS/RS and made absolutely no difference what so ever.I was told until you change(tune)settings the computer will still only deliver the stock(fuel/air) settings.So how are these V8 getting extra power,wouldn't it be the same issue?
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wyndham...I'd love to hear your opinion on intake and headers with no tune?....

I was under the impression a tune is highly highly reccomended in this case. Wouldnt the headers cause CEL's? but I would love to be educated
It is my understanding there is a flash counter in the ECU that cannot be touched with a tune. If the counter count is not accounted for in the cars GM service records, then officially your power train warranty is bye-bye. But of course some dealers are cool about it, some are not.

I run LTS, high flow cats, and no tune. I also did this on my '11 SS. Yes I get some CELs, no big deal. I read them and turn them off.

A tune on LS3s is good for 5-15 HP depending on who you ask, can remove torque management and skip shift function, give you cooler fan management, let the engine ignore the rear O2 sensor (preventing CELs),and offer a few other tweaks like an increased RPM limit. Although I am told if you do that last one, you should upgrade the valve gear if you red-line often.

As to power my 1LE runs over 114 in the quarter with no tune. So as it sits if I get skinnies, better DRs, and better at launching, 11s are possible without a tune. Although I do not think anyone has done that yet.

But also know that dealers may give you a hard time about LTs tuned or not. You can get 50-75% of the power LTs give you just by getting stock cat hi flow replacements. Solo says no CELs. Not sure if they guarantee it though. You can also get shorties and some Camaro owners love them. But most of the dynos show they are not worth many, if any more HP than stock. There is a weight savings though and they look cool.

If warranty is a big concern I would say stay away from long tubes. Just about everyone who has LTs also has a tune if that tells you anything. I guess I'm a rebel. The biggest problem with LTs is they push the rear O2 sensor too far back in the exhaust system and render them useless.

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My understanding is GM says you can can do anything you want on the exhaust side & anything you do on the intake side including a tune will void your engine warranty. When a dealer hooks to your computer it goes directly to GM, your dealer doesn't have the ability overlook certain upgrades that throw bad codes to GM
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