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Old 07-14-2009, 08:23 PM   #1
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yep... slow shifts...

So for giggles did a 0-60 run and capture the data... Looks like about .3 sec for the shift... seems a bit slow to me... gosh, this calls out for a tune! LOL!

I will say it did shift at 6950! LOL!

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Damn torque management....

I do find if you get aggressive w/ the tap shifter, the times start reducing between up and down shifts. I piss that thing off...drive it like a SMG box LOL
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Damn torque management....

I do find if you get aggressive w/ the tap shifter, the times start reducing between up and down shifts. I piss that thing off...drive it like a SMG box LOL
LOL!

I do love the throttle blip on the downshifts! And of course the "Shift Denied" really should just be "NO!"
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i have never really heard a strait answer on this, and you two seem to use the tapshift a lot. So is the tap still faster then someone who is pretty affluent with a manual or is it just a novelty?
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i have never really heard a strait answer on this, and you two seem to use the tapshift a lot. So is the tap still faster then someone who is pretty affluent with a manual or is it just a novelty?
For being a slushbox, it's quite fast on the upshift. I mean.. its no F1 box out of a Ferrari, but she's pretty quick. I don't like how much timing is pulled between shifts, you can feel the re-ramp of power...but I think this occurs on the manual gearboxes as well (perhaps not as pronounced).

It's pretty close to what the average Joe can bang out w/ a stick on the street, if not a tad faster. I don't think I've hit as bad as .3 though... that seems pretty brutal.

Should be tons of fun on a tight autocross course, never leave 3rd gear. The cool thing is that it will actually allow you to hold the revs to redline - most of the time the auto part will take back over and force the upshift. It will however tell you to kindly piss off if you try and downshift back to M2 from like 90MPH though (as it should)
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am so glad they put the shifters there. in drive at 50 mph (cruising) you are in 6th at just over a thousand RPM's. try to punch the gas from there and see what happens.......not a damn thing. but with the shifters you cant drop a gear or two and watch it starts kicking again.
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am so glad they put the shifters there. in drive at 50 mph (cruising) you are in 6th at just over a thousand RPM's. try to punch the gas from there and see what happens.......not a damn thing. but with the shifters you cant drop a gear or two and watch it starts kicking again.
Actually in Sport mode it downshifts very early and very quickly.. and in fact will drop 2 gears! At leas mine does.... Cruising like you said, if I get on the gas quickly by 1/4 throttle it's downshifting! Keep pushing and it down shifts again!

Hmmm... sounds like a good data logging experiment... at what throttle point does it downshift? LOL
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For being a slushbox, it's quite fast on the upshift. I mean.. its no F1 box out of a Ferrari, but she's pretty quick. I don't like how much timing is pulled between shifts, you can feel the re-ramp of power...but I think this occurs on the manual gearboxes as well (perhaps not as pronounced).

It's pretty close to what the average Joe can bang out w/ a stick on the street, if not a tad faster. I don't think I've hit as bad as .3 though... that seems pretty brutal.

Should be tons of fun on a tight autocross course, never leave 3rd gear. The cool thing is that it will actually allow you to hold the revs to redline - most of the time the auto part will take back over and force the upshift. It will however tell you to kindly piss off if you try and downshift back to M2 from like 90MPH though (as it should)
Yeah, this was in Sport mode not Tapshift... hmmm... guess I need to make a run with the Tapshift and see if the shift is quicker...

Looking back at my Mustang logs looks like the shifts were about .25ish... Unfortunately I don't seem to have the ability to log the commanded shift time and the actual shift time... Does seem like it could use a bit of firming up...


My other thread on data logging from the track really shows the drop in timing when the car shifts...
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am so glad they put the shifters there. in drive at 50 mph (cruising) you are in 6th at just over a thousand RPM's. try to punch the gas from there and see what happens.......not a damn thing. but with the shifters you cant drop a gear or two and watch it starts kicking again.

In my L99 A6, when I mash the gas at 50mph it quickly drops a couple gears (I believe it drops to 3rd gear from a 50mph punch) and pulls pretty hard. I'm not sure where the 2nd gear cut off is. I'm still trying to figure out the max drop down speeds for each gear. I had the A4 completely figured out in my GTO.

But your A6 shouldn't be staying in 6th gear when you punch it going 50mph. I should quickly downshift to most likely 3rd gear. If you were going a little slower, it would most likely drop to 2nd gear.
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In my L99 A6, when I mash the gas at 50mph it quickly drops a couple gears (I believe it drops to 3rd gear from a 50mph punch) and pulls pretty hard. I'm not sure where the 2nd gear cut off is. I'm still trying to figure out the max drop down speeds for each gear. I had the A4 completely figured out in my GTO.

But your A6 shouldn't be staying in 6th gear when you punch it going 50mph. I should quickly downshift to most likely 3rd gear. If you were going a little slower, it would most likely drop to 2nd gear.
a couple weeks ago i was driving close by a G35 at around 45 to 50 mph. so he decided to gun it a little. and for the fun of it i pushed it from 1/8 throttle to about 1/2 at just over 1000 rpm's i heard alot of engine but not alot of go (because it stayed in 5th).

since then i have gotten very comfortable with the paddle shifters so if i had the urge to speed up more. i would put it in sport mode and use the shifters and drop it some gears. and 1,000 rpm's turn into 6,000 rpms very quickly.
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i think am going to go out and see if it will drop a couple gears. (maybe it could of been all in my head)
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Dashhawk records shift time! Only quickly tested it out.. downloading now!
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Ok.. so this was just puttering down my street...

First set of shifts in D mode:
1->2 = .400
2->3 = .325

Send set of shifts in S mode:
1-2> = .300
2->3 = .250

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Will data log this next time i make it to the track!
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I want logs of TAPs damn it!
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Old 07-16-2009, 06:49 PM   #15
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I want logs of TAPs damn it!
Ok... not familiar with that one... what's it stand for?
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that would make sense... LOL!

I was thinking throttle position... transmission pressure...
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Automatics don't shift like manual at all. It's a totally different process so there is a delay. It's not just a lever moving a gear into position. It's a bunch of things going on inside the unit.
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that would make sense... LOL!

I was thinking throttle position... transmission pressure...
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Automatics don't shift like manual at all. It's a totally different process so there is a delay. It's not just a lever moving a gear into position. It's a bunch of things going on inside the unit.
Yep... I completely understand....
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Ok... did some agressive TAPshifting... both shifts were .325... so i think that is actually slightly worst than just plain S mode... Everything I've tried TAPshifts my ETs were a tad slower than just S mode...

I can post a screen shot... LATER... LOL
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Interesting, good info
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Interesting, good info
Next time I'm at the track I'll data log all 3 (D, S and M) that way I'll have more consistent conditions rather than me just goofing on the street... But from my casual observations there really is no advantage to Tapshift in the 1320.. And we could benefit from firming up the shifts a bit... Should at least be chirping 2nd! LOL!
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so its better then drive. so i guess u have to give up a little time to shift when you want.

scrming when the camaro is in S at what rev does it shift?
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