Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com
 
Vector Motorsports
Go Back   Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com > General Camaro Forums > Chevy Camaro vs...

Chevy Camaro vs... Comparison of Chevy Camaro versus its competition. *NO STREET RACING STORIES*

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 10-22-2013, 06:04 PM   #1
bigssc
Account Suspended
 
Drives: Black 2013 Camaro 2SS (auto L99)
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Long Island N.Y.
Posts: 611
Question SS vs 5.0 lap times?

i was looking around and i couldn't find a single thing on the 5.0 nurburgring lap times. does anyone know what it is and if its better/faster then the an SS? i would hope the SS would be better because we all know stock for stock in a straight line the 5.0 wins but what about on a lap course?
bigssc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2013, 06:07 PM   #2
jkchambless
Austin LT
 
jkchambless's Avatar
 
Drives: 1LT - Airaid,JBA Axleback,VMax PTB
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Austin, Texas
Posts: 518
The 5.0 is still going round......
jkchambless is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2013, 06:45 PM   #3
Mike-D
HTFU
 
Mike-D's Avatar
 
Drives: 2SS/RS
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Arizona
Posts: 245
Quote:
The 5.0 is still going round......
Winning, lol!
__________________
Mike-D is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2013, 07:06 PM   #4
Mikamaro
Mike
 
Mikamaro's Avatar
 
Drives: A 2010 CAMARO SS LS3 1LE Track Pack
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: In the Land of the GenIV Camaros & Firebirds.
Posts: 1,349
No time from Ford at the ring except for the GT and the Focus
__________________

Track Day Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/mrgoodman2000/videos
Built #83817, Born January 18th, Christened June 11th 2010.
Mikamaro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2013, 07:07 PM   #5
RayYork
LordVader
 
RayYork's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 RS 2SS 99 BMW 328i 96 K1500
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: WA
Posts: 238
Quote:
Originally Posted by jkchambless View Post
The 5.0 is still going round......

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Seriously though, I run with a 302 regularly and he only ever sees the back of my car except when I lap him and he sees the front for a few more seconds.
__________________
2011 2SS/RS M6 (My daily driver)
www.facebook.com/racingyorks

RayYork is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2013, 07:37 PM   #6
trademaster
 
Drives: 06 Maserati gran sport, 12 z06
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Detroit/NYC
Posts: 514
Ford North America doesn't play the 'ring game unfortunately. Ford Europe has done it with the Focus RS and an independent magazine did it with the Ford GT.
trademaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2013, 10:23 PM   #7
bigssc
Account Suspended
 
Drives: Black 2013 Camaro 2SS (auto L99)
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Long Island N.Y.
Posts: 611
figures. well then we win be default
bigssc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2013, 12:37 PM   #8
ULTRAZLS1

 
ULTRAZLS1's Avatar
 
Drives: Black 2010 1SS M6
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Jackson, Michigan
Posts: 1,614
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigssc View Post
figures. well then we win be default
When the 2010 SS was first tested against the 2011 5.0 it was only .1 tenth of a second slower than a track pack equipped GT around a road course. It wasnt nurburgring. Cant recall for sure but I do know it was tested by car and driver same track same day. If you google it you can find the test. But of coarse some of the mustang crowd said the camaro platform in general was worthless in the handling department...they are eating their words now lol. I couldnt believe the difference in my car after doing springs and sway bars. Subframe bushings help as well.

Now that the standard SS has the updated fe4 suspension it should out handle a GT IMO but I am not positive. It should at the very least be just as good with the update or GM wouldnt have wasted their time.
__________________
Performance Mods: PRC 250cc Aftermarket Casting Cylinder Heads, G6X3 Cam, Fast 102 Intake, Nick Williams 102 TB,Stainless Works 2" Long Tubes, Flowmaster AT Cat-Back, C.A.I. CAI/ADM Scoop, SLP UD Pulley, PFADT Springs/Sways/Rear Trailing Arms, Pedders Subframe Bushings, Energy Differential Mounts, Spohn Toe Links, BMR 2-Point STB, LSR Tunnel Brace, Hurst Short Throw, COR Velocity V3 Wheels, 305/35/20 Nitto NT555R's
Finishline Performance Dyno Tune-505 RWHP 464 RWTQ
ULTRAZLS1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2013, 01:16 PM   #9
Cody6.2
 
Drives: 2012 Camaro 2SS
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Nebraska
Posts: 521
Quote:
Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1 View Post
When the 2010 SS was first tested against the 2011 5.0 it was only .1 tenth of a second slower than a track pack equipped GT around a road course. It wasnt nurburgring. Cant recall for sure but I do know it was tested by car and driver same track same day. If you google it you can find the test. But of coarse some of the mustang crowd said the camaro platform in general was worthless in the handling department...they are eating their words now lol. I couldnt believe the difference in my car after doing springs and sway bars. Subframe bushings help as well.

Now that the standard SS has the updated fe4 suspension it should out handle a GT IMO but I am not positive. It should at the very least be just as good with the update or GM wouldnt have wasted their time.

Last car 2012 Camaro SS 45th AE, current car 2014 Mustang GT Track Pack. I can tell you with 100% certainty that my Camaro did not handle as well as my Mustang. Given the FE4 was a worth while update anything was better than the FE3 on the 10-11 cars.
Cody6.2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2013, 02:42 PM   #10
MJanowich
Door ding magnet
 
MJanowich's Avatar
 
Drives: Black 2SS/RS /w Cyber Gray stripes
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Herndon, VA
Posts: 176
Unfortunately, on VIR the Mustang GT is .9 seconds faster than a Camaro SS as per Car and Driver's Lightning Lap.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...o-2013-page-10

Considering the Camaro was already a year into production when the 5.0 Mustang GT came out, I'm ok with that. Ford fans really should be happy that the 5th gen Camaro was made because it forced Ford to stop being lazy and put a real engine in their Mustang.

Motortrend is another go-to magazine for lap times (on Laguna Seca) but I can't find one for the regular Mustang GT, just the Boss 302.
__________________
MJanowich is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2013, 02:56 PM   #11
woodside783
Casey Woodside
 
woodside783's Avatar
 
Drives: W/28
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Tn
Posts: 1,149
On other sites they are saying that the gt500 is a 8:00 car at the ring hahahaha
__________________
2014 camaro5 fest 5 camarocross super modified 3rd
2013 camaro5 fest 4 camarocross modified champ
Instagram @caseywoodside
http://youtu.be/CSc9aPh_X_w
woodside783 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2013, 03:38 PM   #12
ULTRAZLS1

 
ULTRAZLS1's Avatar
 
Drives: Black 2010 1SS M6
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Jackson, Michigan
Posts: 1,614
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cody6.2 View Post
Last car 2012 Camaro SS 45th AE, current car 2014 Mustang GT Track Pack. I can tell you with 100% certainty that my Camaro did not handle as well as my Mustang. Given the FE4 was a worth while update anything was better than the FE3 on the 10-11 cars.
Funny that you could discern such a minute difference. Like I said before the update the cars were pretty close. The mustang is going to feel more nimble being lighter but that doesnt necessarily mean it will win on a track etc. I have driven a track pack mustang on a couple occasions and it felt swifter/more responsive so I know what your saying. It also gives you a bit more confidence being able to see out of it lol.

About the lightning lap from the other poster. That isnt same day. Comparing times from different days etc is not as relevant IMO. And that is still the 2010-2011 fe3 suspension.

I found the test...it wasnt car and driver it was road and track.

Same track same day .1 second difference with the old suspension set up.

137.7 for camaro and 137.6 for mustang

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-revi...ord-mustang-gt

If the fe4 did anything at all the camaro should now be quicker. Well at least on this track with this driver for sure.

Does anyone know of any new comparisons with the 2012 and up SS?
__________________
Performance Mods: PRC 250cc Aftermarket Casting Cylinder Heads, G6X3 Cam, Fast 102 Intake, Nick Williams 102 TB,Stainless Works 2" Long Tubes, Flowmaster AT Cat-Back, C.A.I. CAI/ADM Scoop, SLP UD Pulley, PFADT Springs/Sways/Rear Trailing Arms, Pedders Subframe Bushings, Energy Differential Mounts, Spohn Toe Links, BMR 2-Point STB, LSR Tunnel Brace, Hurst Short Throw, COR Velocity V3 Wheels, 305/35/20 Nitto NT555R's
Finishline Performance Dyno Tune-505 RWHP 464 RWTQ
ULTRAZLS1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2013, 06:11 PM   #13
Cody6.2
 
Drives: 2012 Camaro 2SS
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Nebraska
Posts: 521
Quote:
Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1 View Post
Funny that you could discern such a minute difference. Like I said before the update the cars were pretty close. The mustang is going to feel more nimble being lighter but that doesnt necessarily mean it will win on a track etc. I have driven a track pack mustang on a couple occasions and it felt swifter/more responsive so I know what your saying. It also gives you a bit more confidence being able to see out of it lol.
I wouldn't call it a "minute" difference as it's quite noticeable even during simple spirited driving. As you said the Mustang does indeed feel much more nimble. But it also feels better planted and you know when you're pushing it too hard. Not to mention it's much easier to control during sideways action if that's your thing.

My Camaro on the other hand reminded me of my 2006 GTO in more ways than one. The FE4 was quite the improvement and the sole reason I waited until 2012 to buy one. But it still felt quite numb with massive understeer, dull feedback and provided little warning before letting go.
Cody6.2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2013, 06:32 PM   #14
ULTRAZLS1

 
ULTRAZLS1's Avatar
 
Drives: Black 2010 1SS M6
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Jackson, Michigan
Posts: 1,614
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cody6.2 View Post
I wouldn't call it a "minute" difference as it's quite noticeable even during simple spirited driving. As you said the Mustang does indeed feel much more nimble. But it also feels better planted and you know when you're pushing it too hard. Not to mention it's much easier to control during sideways action if that's your thing.

My Camaro on the other hand reminded me of my 2006 GTO in more ways than one. The FE4 was quite the improvement and the sole reason I waited until 2012 to buy one. But it still felt quite numb with massive understeer, dull feedback and provided little warning before letting go.
I know what your talking about. The first year I owned my car I did springs, sway bars, strut tower brace and sub frame bushings. The handling especially the feel is now GREATLY improved. Its night and day.
My stock suspension 4th gen felt more nimble than my current car at times but I would have to be crazy to think it would hang with my current car on a track especially with its suspension mods. Feel can sometimes be misleading and is somewhat of a personal preference.

Regardless...it is not crazy for me to deduce that the new fe4 car should at least be on par with the 5.0 now given the cars were rather close before the change.

I wish we had a real comparison to discuss...
__________________
Performance Mods: PRC 250cc Aftermarket Casting Cylinder Heads, G6X3 Cam, Fast 102 Intake, Nick Williams 102 TB,Stainless Works 2" Long Tubes, Flowmaster AT Cat-Back, C.A.I. CAI/ADM Scoop, SLP UD Pulley, PFADT Springs/Sways/Rear Trailing Arms, Pedders Subframe Bushings, Energy Differential Mounts, Spohn Toe Links, BMR 2-Point STB, LSR Tunnel Brace, Hurst Short Throw, COR Velocity V3 Wheels, 305/35/20 Nitto NT555R's
Finishline Performance Dyno Tune-505 RWHP 464 RWTQ
ULTRAZLS1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2013, 07:01 PM   #15
Cody6.2
 
Drives: 2012 Camaro 2SS
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Nebraska
Posts: 521
Quote:
Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1 View Post
I know what your talking about. The first year I owned my car I did springs, sway bars, strut tower brace and sub frame bushings. The handling especially the feel is now GREATLY improved. Its night and day.
My stock suspension 4th gen felt more nimble than my current car at times but I would have to be crazy to think it would hang with my current car on a track especially with its suspension mods. Feel can sometimes be misleading and is somewhat of a personal preference.

Regardless...it is not crazy for me to deduce that the new fe4 car should at least be on par with the 5.0 now given the cars were rather close before the change.

I wish we had a real comparison to discuss...
I'd hope that the FE4 update would bring the Camaro to the same level as a base GT. Although a 3600lb car riding on 235 all season tires isn't the best measuring stick.
Cody6.2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2013, 07:28 PM   #16
ULTRAZLS1

 
ULTRAZLS1's Avatar
 
Drives: Black 2010 1SS M6
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Jackson, Michigan
Posts: 1,614
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cody6.2 View Post
I'd hope that the FE4 update would bring the Camaro to the same level as a base GT. Although a 3600lb car riding on 235 all season tires isn't the best measuring stick.
I was talking track pack my friend. The test I linked to was a brembo optioned 2011 GT. Pirelli P-zero 255/40/19 rims/tires

.1 tenth difference same driver same day. FE3 2010 SS.

Regardless you couldnt track test a base GT against an SS. The brakes on the base GT will burn up after 1 to 2 laps.
__________________
Performance Mods: PRC 250cc Aftermarket Casting Cylinder Heads, G6X3 Cam, Fast 102 Intake, Nick Williams 102 TB,Stainless Works 2" Long Tubes, Flowmaster AT Cat-Back, C.A.I. CAI/ADM Scoop, SLP UD Pulley, PFADT Springs/Sways/Rear Trailing Arms, Pedders Subframe Bushings, Energy Differential Mounts, Spohn Toe Links, BMR 2-Point STB, LSR Tunnel Brace, Hurst Short Throw, COR Velocity V3 Wheels, 305/35/20 Nitto NT555R's
Finishline Performance Dyno Tune-505 RWHP 464 RWTQ

Last edited by ULTRAZLS1; 10-23-2013 at 07:45 PM.
ULTRAZLS1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2013, 08:13 PM   #17
Firefighter


 
Firefighter's Avatar
 
Drives: Black '13 2SS/RS/1LE w/NPP/NAV
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Tampa by way of Miami...
Posts: 2,336
If they say track pack then Camaro says 1LE. They can bring the Boss too.
Firefighter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2013, 08:14 PM   #18
Firefighter


 
Firefighter's Avatar
 
Drives: Black '13 2SS/RS/1LE w/NPP/NAV
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Tampa by way of Miami...
Posts: 2,336
Those times are there BTW... Probst in a Track Pack 5.0 VS. a 1LE...
Firefighter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2013, 08:07 AM   #19
Cody6.2
 
Drives: 2012 Camaro 2SS
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Nebraska
Posts: 521
Quote:
Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1 View Post
I was talking track pack my friend. The test I linked to was a brembo optioned 2011 GT. Pirelli P-zero 255/40/19 rims/tires

.1 tenth difference same driver same day. FE3 2010 SS.

Regardless you couldnt track test a base GT against an SS. The brakes on the base GT will burn up after 1 to 2 laps.
And just like the Camaro the Mustang has had updates to the suspension from year to year. Theres just as many changes (if not more) in the 2011 vs 2013 Track Pack as there is FE3 vs FE4. With that being said my FE4 was not even close to the overall handling of a Track Pack Mustang.
Cody6.2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2013, 09:34 AM   #20
calebparkin3
 
calebparkin3's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 TF3, 2012 F150, 2013 5.0
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Missouri
Posts: 375
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cody6.2 View Post
And just like the Camaro the Mustang has had updates to the suspension from year to year. Theres just as many changes (if not more) in the 2011 vs 2013 Track Pack as there is FE3 vs FE4. With that being said my FE4 was not even close to the overall handling of a Track Pack Mustang.
True for 2011 i dont think it was even call the track pac, just the brembo package, i belive breaks wheels and tires were the only thing changed on the 11-12 brembo packaged cars. Im going off of memory so i could be wrong on that. 13-14 cars did get the track pac, whitch was the brembo package with 3:73 torsen dif, and the boss oil cooler.
calebparkin3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2013, 02:57 PM   #21
ULTRAZLS1

 
ULTRAZLS1's Avatar
 
Drives: Black 2010 1SS M6
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Jackson, Michigan
Posts: 1,614
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cody6.2 View Post
And just like the Camaro the Mustang has had updates to the suspension from year to year. Theres just as many changes (if not more) in the 2011 vs 2013 Track Pack as there is FE3 vs FE4. With that being said my FE4 was not even close to the overall handling of a Track Pack Mustang.
All I can see is the torsen diff as far as improving handling.

I can find no literature showing the brembo package components/tuning have changed. The Brembo pack is what adds more aggressive suspension tuning. The only thing the track pack adds which would add to the handling over the original brembo pack is the torsen.

Can you point me to some literature explaining the drastic suspension changes from 2012 to 2013? I can find nothing.
__________________
Performance Mods: PRC 250cc Aftermarket Casting Cylinder Heads, G6X3 Cam, Fast 102 Intake, Nick Williams 102 TB,Stainless Works 2" Long Tubes, Flowmaster AT Cat-Back, C.A.I. CAI/ADM Scoop, SLP UD Pulley, PFADT Springs/Sways/Rear Trailing Arms, Pedders Subframe Bushings, Energy Differential Mounts, Spohn Toe Links, BMR 2-Point STB, LSR Tunnel Brace, Hurst Short Throw, COR Velocity V3 Wheels, 305/35/20 Nitto NT555R's
Finishline Performance Dyno Tune-505 RWHP 464 RWTQ
ULTRAZLS1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2013, 04:25 PM   #22
Novie LE
 
Drives: 2014 1LE
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Sometimes here, sometimes there
Posts: 397
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cody6.2 View Post
And just like the Camaro the Mustang has had updates to the suspension from year to year. Theres just as many changes (if not more) in the 2011 vs 2013 Track Pack as there is FE3 vs FE4. With that being said my FE4 was not even close to the overall handling of a Track Pack Mustang.
I think you have your facts wrong. BTW I traded my 5.0 for a 1le.
Novie LE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2013, 08:15 AM   #23
Cody6.2
 
Drives: 2012 Camaro 2SS
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Nebraska
Posts: 521
Quote:
Originally Posted by Novie LE View Post
I think you have your facts wrong. BTW I traded my 5.0 for a 1le.
That's wonderful I traded the 2007 C6 Z51 I bought new for a 2012 Camaro SS 45th and that for my 2014 Mustang GT.

Before that I had 40+ GM cars and two other Mustangs. Believe me when I say that I didn't go back to Ford for no reason.

Last edited by Cody6.2; 10-25-2013 at 08:26 AM.
Cody6.2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2013, 08:25 AM   #24
Cody6.2
 
Drives: 2012 Camaro 2SS
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Nebraska
Posts: 521
Quote:
Originally Posted by calebparkin3 View Post
True for 2011 i dont think it was even call the track pac, just the brembo package, i belive breaks wheels and tires were the only thing changed on the 11-12 brembo packaged cars. Im going off of memory so i could be wrong on that. 13-14 cars did get the track pac, whitch was the brembo package with 3:73 torsen dif, and the boss oil cooler.
Indeed they did just have the Brembo package for 2011-2012. Although it only mentions brakes & wheels it also added suspension components. The Track-Pack for 13-14 included Boss rear axle, Boss cooling components, 5w-50 oil, specific calibration and a few other parts they don't mention.
Cody6.2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2013, 08:32 AM   #25
Cody6.2
 
Drives: 2012 Camaro 2SS
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Nebraska
Posts: 521
Quote:
Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1 View Post
All I can see is the torsen diff as far as improving handling.

I can find no literature showing the brembo package components/tuning have changed. The Brembo pack is what adds more aggressive suspension tuning. The only thing the track pack adds which would add to the handling over the original brembo pack is the torsen.

Can you point me to some literature explaining the drastic suspension changes from 2012 to 2013? I can find nothing.
The Track Pack started life well before 2012 but wasn't close to what it is today. Even then there were still several revisions as the Boss302 was rolled out. If you go to any Mustang forum and look for Brembo Package details most have several pages of people discussing the changes.
Cody6.2 is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:44 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.