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Old 10-24-2013, 08:12 AM   #18
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Weird review .. the guy doesn't know what he wants ...

He is comparing 2 track capable cars and says that finally, you don't care that much about performance.

He says Mustang design is more mature, less flashy, and actually prefers look over performance. Mature people, I guess, don't care much 'bout look (besides, Boss 302 stickers aren't flashy??)

He says Camaro is better and actually, he prefers the Mustang because that car sucks, spins, slides and so on ...

At the end, maybe that "not that fast feeling" comes from the fact the car is more planted, more stable and ... performs better?
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Old 10-24-2013, 09:12 AM   #19
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That article should be an embarrassment to R&T.

Says the Camaro is faster, does not say at what. Says one car goes 4.0 the other
4.4, does not tell you which. We can guess that the B302 does the 4.0 which by
the only measure of speed the author includes, actually makes the B302 "faster".
If he did take these track cars to a road course, the numbers must have been too
embarrassing to the B302 to even include in the story.

It's obvious that the author just likes the Boss more, thinks it looks better and sounds
better, which is fine; but guess what I think the 1LE looks better and sounds better.
I wonder if I can become a R&T contributor now?
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Old 10-24-2013, 09:21 AM   #20
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So basically it's another article talking about how thw 1LE's tires make a big difference. It's also just another fall back for people to use when a Mustang beats them in a sanctioned stop light to stop light match up. Truth be told 98% of the people on here wouldn't be able to drive their 1LE in a manner that would make a difference so who cares?
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Old 10-24-2013, 09:42 AM   #21
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That guy sounds like a moron.
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Old 10-24-2013, 09:53 AM   #22
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Quote of the day:-''I think the fact that it's slower than the Camaro"

there i fixed it for you
nice! but at least try to keep all the words from his sentence!!
-''I think the fact that does bother me, it's slower than the Camaro.''
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Old 10-24-2013, 09:59 AM   #23
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Note that The guy that wrote the article (Alex Kierstein) is not the guy who hot lap the cars...(Larry Webster) without any quotes taken directly from Webster, it's hard to dissect who says what about the cars.
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Old 10-24-2013, 11:31 AM   #24
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That's because for him it was a beauty contest...
And we all know beauty is In the eye of the beholder! Camaro for the win!!
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Old 10-24-2013, 03:04 PM   #25
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That guy sounds like a moron.
I agree. I actually like the Boss 302s, so despite owning a 1LE, I have no problem if someone thinks it might be a better car.

However, when you say stupid sh*t like this.... The Camaro has 426 horsepower (which would have been crazy power not too long ago), but when I was driving it, I was thinking "meh, it's not that strong." ...

...along with his comment about the gearing, anything he might have a valid point on just goes out the window. They should be embarassed to have that guy as a writer for their magazine.
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Old 10-24-2013, 04:05 PM   #26
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The Car magazine review of the ZL1 and GT500 was much more balanced. The Mustang's solid rear axle, poor driving position, etc were more exposed. Road and Track is in bed with Ford at some level. They spent a lot of time in the article on looks, which is subjective and frankly I don't agree with any of it.

It would have been more credible if they posted some lap times instead of just pics at the track. "Slower than the Camaro doesn't bother me." More subjectivity. Having taken my car to the track, I was amazed at how neutral it is - very easy to drive fast. I didn't have to worry about the tail skipping out if I hit a little bump.

RT used to be a better magazine but a lot of the good writers are gone.

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Old 10-24-2013, 05:28 PM   #27
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Did I read that right, "Ford (Mustang with a live rear) gets driving almost better than Ferrari"?
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Old 10-24-2013, 06:09 PM   #28
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Did I read that right, "Ford (Mustang with a live rear) gets driving almost better than Ferrari"?
Ya you got that

Ford gets the driving experience cues almost better than Ferrari!
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Old 10-25-2013, 05:52 PM   #29
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I get what he is saying. Not having driven a 1LE, I can't tell you which one I would prefer to drive all day everyday like I do my Boss, but when I am on track the Boss is a blast. I love getting in it every morning and driving to work and back. It makes me look for a back road to get somewhere instead of a highway.

That said, I have had issues, mostly brake related. Others don't seem to have them like I am, so I will be altering my driving style a bit next year. Also trying a different set of rear pads and I replaced what may have been a faulty sticking rear caliper, so we'll see if that fixes it.

One thing I would note, is that the Boss engine, while a great piece, has seen some issues. I have seen posts on Boss forums about blown motors and CEL codes for misfires. I got a CEL myself on TracKey, and it gives me some concern when I'm flogging it. Another issue I have had on track was my stability control mysteriously turning itself on half way thru a session, and since you have to stop and hold the brake and button for 7 seconds, I didn't bother to pit as I was afraid the hot brakes might not be happy with me doing that.

Now with all that said, I don't place a whole lot of stock into what a magazine or manufacturer claims for track performance numbers vs another car. The driver variance is so great at a HPDE that those numbers don't make a hill of beans. I once coached a woman in a M model Z3 past a Ford GT, Ive seen 100HP Miatas chase down and pass Z06 Vettes. Imagine how THAT guy felt!

I think the 1LE is a nice piece, and I hope this battle rages on for years to come! Oh, I also got to see a '14 1LE at a press function at our track the other day, I like it a lot better in person then in photos. It looks smaller and the sound was really good. I found that the rear of the car which I really dislike in photos, looks okay in person. I Know of at least one 1LE that comes to Summit, maybe some day we'll actually get to be on track at the same time...
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Old 10-25-2013, 07:58 PM   #30
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The Car magazine review of the ZL1 and GT500 was much more balanced. The Mustang's solid rear axle, poor driving position, etc were more exposed. Road and Track is in bed with Ford at some level. They spent a lot of time in the article on looks, which is subjective and frankly I don't agree with any of it.

It would have been more credible if they posted some lap times instead of just pics at the track. "Slower than the Camaro doesn't bother me." More subjectivity. Having taken my car to the track, I was amazed at how neutral it is - very easy to drive fast. I didn't have to worry about the tail skipping out if I hit a little bump.

RT used to be a better magazine but a lot of the good writers are gone.
My god.
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Old 10-25-2013, 08:14 PM   #31
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nice! but at least try to keep all the words from his sentence!!
-''I think the fact that does bother me, it's slower than the Camaro.''
It's called a paraphrase. That was the point part of a whole. But still word for word
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Old 10-26-2013, 05:44 PM   #32
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Gear is too tall?

What do they want? 4:56's?
This proves he knows nothing about the package. The Boss is a hell of a car and clearly faster in a straight line, but for me, I could not justify to pay 5-7K more for the Boss, while the car doesnt have a very much different look than a GT, I hate the Boss's wheels and the Camaro overall look is way ahead of the Boss, especially the wheels/tires package!! 1LE is the best deal around for a sport/track car. Plus I will have the opportunity to listen to my cammed 1LE someday
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Old 10-26-2013, 05:59 PM   #33
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How could you not have fun with either of these caes??? In my opinion they are so close in in performance that the driver will make all the difference at the track. I LOVE CARS!
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Old 10-26-2013, 07:50 PM   #34
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