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Old 10-23-2013, 10:34 PM   #15
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Gear is too tall?

What do they want? 4:56's?
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Old 10-23-2013, 10:35 PM   #16
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The author wrote the article before he turned the key on the Camaro.

^^^this
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Old 10-23-2013, 11:02 PM   #17
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I had an '08 Roush 427R Stage 3 Mustang before owing the Camaro. The Roush was rated at 435 hp, had a great exhaust note and a great, short-throw shifter. But it was much less refined that the Camaro, and because of that it often felt faster than it actually was. Also, on the Roush, no sunroof, no killer stereo, no heated seats, and the interior was plain Jane. The Camaro just appeals to me because it does handle better than the Roush, and there's no comparison in the creature comforts area. I think the Roush is pretty equivalent to the Boss 302's performance, and the Camaro is just an easier car to live with. Also, we don't have anyone in this area who could work on the Roush, and Roush parts are out-of-this-world expensive, and that was one of the main reasons I didn't keep it, along with the knowledge that the 2015 Mustang would be completely redone. I know the Roush isn't a Boss 302, but it's alot closer than a straight GT would be.
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Old 10-24-2013, 07:12 AM   #18
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Weird review .. the guy doesn't know what he wants ...

He is comparing 2 track capable cars and says that finally, you don't care that much about performance.

He says Mustang design is more mature, less flashy, and actually prefers look over performance. Mature people, I guess, don't care much 'bout look (besides, Boss 302 stickers aren't flashy??)

He says Camaro is better and actually, he prefers the Mustang because that car sucks, spins, slides and so on ...

At the end, maybe that "not that fast feeling" comes from the fact the car is more planted, more stable and ... performs better?
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Old 10-24-2013, 08:12 AM   #19
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That article should be an embarrassment to R&T.

Says the Camaro is faster, does not say at what. Says one car goes 4.0 the other
4.4, does not tell you which. We can guess that the B302 does the 4.0 which by
the only measure of speed the author includes, actually makes the B302 "faster".
If he did take these track cars to a road course, the numbers must have been too
embarrassing to the B302 to even include in the story.

It's obvious that the author just likes the Boss more, thinks it looks better and sounds
better, which is fine; but guess what I think the 1LE looks better and sounds better.
I wonder if I can become a R&T contributor now?
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Old 10-24-2013, 08:21 AM   #20
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So basically it's another article talking about how thw 1LE's tires make a big difference. It's also just another fall back for people to use when a Mustang beats them in a sanctioned stop light to stop light match up. Truth be told 98% of the people on here wouldn't be able to drive their 1LE in a manner that would make a difference so who cares?
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Old 10-24-2013, 08:42 AM   #21
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That guy sounds like a moron.
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Old 10-24-2013, 08:53 AM   #22
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Quote of the day:-''I think the fact that it's slower than the Camaro"

there i fixed it for you
nice! but at least try to keep all the words from his sentence!!
-''I think the fact that does bother me, it's slower than the Camaro.''
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Old 10-24-2013, 08:59 AM   #23
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Note that The guy that wrote the article (Alex Kierstein) is not the guy who hot lap the cars...(Larry Webster) without any quotes taken directly from Webster, it's hard to dissect who says what about the cars.
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Old 10-24-2013, 10:31 AM   #24
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That's because for him it was a beauty contest...
And we all know beauty is In the eye of the beholder! Camaro for the win!!
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Old 10-24-2013, 02:04 PM   #25
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That guy sounds like a moron.
I agree. I actually like the Boss 302s, so despite owning a 1LE, I have no problem if someone thinks it might be a better car.

However, when you say stupid sh*t like this.... The Camaro has 426 horsepower (which would have been crazy power not too long ago), but when I was driving it, I was thinking "meh, it's not that strong." ...

...along with his comment about the gearing, anything he might have a valid point on just goes out the window. They should be embarassed to have that guy as a writer for their magazine.
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Old 10-24-2013, 03:05 PM   #26
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The Car magazine review of the ZL1 and GT500 was much more balanced. The Mustang's solid rear axle, poor driving position, etc were more exposed. Road and Track is in bed with Ford at some level. They spent a lot of time in the article on looks, which is subjective and frankly I don't agree with any of it.

It would have been more credible if they posted some lap times instead of just pics at the track. "Slower than the Camaro doesn't bother me." More subjectivity. Having taken my car to the track, I was amazed at how neutral it is - very easy to drive fast. I didn't have to worry about the tail skipping out if I hit a little bump.

RT used to be a better magazine but a lot of the good writers are gone.

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Old 10-24-2013, 04:28 PM   #27
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Did I read that right, "Ford (Mustang with a live rear) gets driving almost better than Ferrari"?
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Old 10-24-2013, 05:09 PM   #28
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Did I read that right, "Ford (Mustang with a live rear) gets driving almost better than Ferrari"?
Ya you got that

Ford gets the driving experience cues almost better than Ferrari!
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