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Old 10-25-2013, 01:28 PM   #18
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Its a damn shame that his parents didnt give a shit enough about him to prevent him from bringing this thing out in the streets. Now a days with schools and military installations getting shot up it is not a time to neglect common sense.
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Old 10-25-2013, 02:12 PM   #19
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If it is an airsoft gun, they remarkably look like the real thing except for the orange flash suppressor. You would be completely fooled with the 2 airsoft ARs I own, laser sight, flashlight and red dot reflex sight. One actually is licensed by Colt with Colt markings. They can also come with a completely metal body. Sad it happened and surprised it doesn't happen more often. If I'm not mistaken, one has to be 18 to purchase.
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Old 10-25-2013, 02:47 PM   #20
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Police will fire until the perceived threat is neutralized. If the kid was still standing after the first few shots, the officer is trained to continue. Not to mention the fact that in life or death situations, adrenalin is pumping and muscle memory takes over. I have numerous friends in law enforcement and have heard stories about officers continuing to "fire" even once the gun was empty.

I feel bad for the family, but as has been said here many times, the kid should not have been out in public with a gun that looks that real and definitely should have dropped it the second the police showed up.

As for excessive force, it is easy to arm-chair quarterback what should have been done or what was excessive, but I am willing to give the trained professionals the benefit of the doubt in lieu of evidence to the contrary.
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Old 10-25-2013, 02:49 PM   #21
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Probably the only one that thinks this but shouldn't have the officers fired either a warning or a none fatal body shot ?
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Old 10-25-2013, 02:52 PM   #22
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Probably the only one that thinks this but shouldn't have the officers fired either a warning or a none fatal body shot ?
No. When you squeeze the trigger you have to mean it. It's called a last resort for a reason.
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Old 10-25-2013, 02:52 PM   #23
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this is the only gun my child will have



or this

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Old 10-25-2013, 02:54 PM   #24
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this is the only gun my child will have



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My mother thought the same thing.
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Old 10-25-2013, 02:57 PM   #25
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I think the police officers made the right decision, however, the 7-rounds fired was definitely excessive. This is a lose lose situation, but you can't blame the police officers for doing their job.

It's bad parenting IMO, I know that and I don't even have kids yet!

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Also I will teach my children to respect police officers and listen and obey their orders.
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Old 10-25-2013, 03:02 PM   #27
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Actual photo of the replica firearm. Blame goes to parents who purchased it and allowed their son to leave the home with it.
Yea, that would make anyone react fast in self defense.....it looks very real.
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Old 10-25-2013, 03:04 PM   #28
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Probably the only one that thinks this but shouldn't have the officers fired either a warning or a none fatal body shot ?
I believe he had a hoodie on, and was facing away from the officers. when asked to drop the weapon, the kid started to turn, and raise the toy gun. I don't think officers are taught to shoot warning shots, if they fire their weapon.
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Old 10-25-2013, 03:07 PM   #29
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If you have ever been in a shooting you would understand why 7 shots were fired. In my incident I fired 8 and my partner fired 6. According to the video we fired the 14 rounds between us in a little over a second although it seemed forever as time seemed to stand still.

We do not fire warning shots and train to shoot center mass because it is the largest target. It just so happens many vital organs are in the center mass. We shoot to stop the threat. Shooting for less lethal areas is reserved for less lethal such as bean bag rounds and not regular rounds.
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Warning shots are only in the movies. If an officer fires, it is meant to eliminate a threat. In the real world a warning shot will just get you hurt. If you, as an officer, perceive a lethal threat you shoot to kill!!
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Old 10-25-2013, 03:17 PM   #31
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Only thing I see that I see a red flag is the 8 shots fired and 7 hits. Why so many shots fired?
Get in your first shot out and you will understand why. The magazine will be empty before you even know what the hell is going on, its a crazy situation and it is not an emotion that tranining can really prepare you for.
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Old 10-25-2013, 03:19 PM   #32
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If you have ever been in a shooting you would understand why 7 shots were fired. In my incident I fired 8 and my partner fired 6. According to the video we fired the 14 rounds between us in a little over a second although it seemed forever as time seemed to stand still.

We do not fire warning shots and train to shoot center mass because it is the largest target. It just so happens many vital organs are in the center mass. We shoot to stop the threat. Shooting for less lethal areas is reserved for less lethal such as bean bag rounds and not regular rounds.
Thank you for providing more insight into that for me. I can certainly understand both sides in this situation. It's too bad they didn't have rubber bullets or some other non-lethal solution...

I can only imagine how slow time must seem in those type of situations

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7 shots is excessive.
The kid was wrong for being dressed like that and yielding a weapon that resembles the real thing.
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Old 10-25-2013, 03:37 PM   #34
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Probably the only one that thinks this but shouldn't have the officers fired either a warning or a none fatal body shot ?
What would have happened if one of the officers fired a warning show, flew past the kid and hit some lady in a house, or shot at the ground, the bullet ricocheted up and his someone still? Anyone who trains with a gun is usually trained not to pull the trigger until you've decided you want to kill whatever it is you're pointing at.

In this situation, I'm with the cops. Give a kid a toy gun, he takes it out in public (with a toy pistol in his waistband, which the cops didn't see until after he was shot but obviously the kid was pretending to be a gangster) he's just asking for trouble. Quite frankly, if he came up on me like that I probably would've shot him too.
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